This is how Sanders is going to beat HilBil v.2

[riverman]

Just vote for who you want to win. Its pretty simple.

or in many cases, vote against the one you really don't want.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

or in many cases, vote against the one you really don't want.

I don't adhere to that personally. I vote for who I want to win. That's kinda the point. Although, voting for who you want IS voting against the ones I don't want...I'm just confused now!

 

[riverman]

I don't adhere to that personally. I vote for who I want to win. That's kinda the point. Although, voting for who you want IS voting against the ones I don't want...I'm just confused now!

I agree in a perfect situation but in my experience, it's been rare to find a candidate I really want to win since McGovern's loss.. not a job that attracts a lot of talent

 

[riverman]

I've heard a thousand donkeys say the same stupid thing a thousand times.

Here, pick one for dinner.

1. Rotten raw meat.
2. Moldy bread with maggots on it.

Pick one, if you don't you can't complain.

I pick rotten raw meat, it makes good bait so I can lure fresh meat to eat by using it..now I'll complain..your post just seems to lack a valid point, so it's an airball

 

[magnifier661]

One did (his name was FDR) and he was elected to a record 3 terms.

JFK tried backing the dollar with Silver and put an end to revolving debt. Bullets slurried his brain

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

JFK tried backing the dollar with Silver and put an end to revolving debt. Bullets slurried his brain

He died for a lot of reasons but silver wasn't one of them....

 

[riverman]

JFK and his brother both banged Monroe who was banging a mob boss before Sinatra intoduced them to her...that wouldn't seem suspicious? It must have been money because mob guys are so level headed

 

[magnifier661]

He died for a lot of reasons but silver wasn't one of them....

It's not just silver. What do you think would happen if you took away the federal reserve?

 

[jlprk]

JFK and his brother both banged Monroe who was banging a mob boss before Sinatra intoduced them to her...that wouldn't seem suspicious? It must have been money because mob guys are so level headed

McCarthyism (=Republican-created tales supposedly leaked from an FBI rogue) has fewer adherents than the Illuminati.

 

[Denny Crane]

Just vote for who you want to win. Its pretty simple.

Lesser of two evils!

That's how most people vote.

 

[riverman]

It's not just silver. What do you think would happen if you took away the federal reserve?

I'll take silver over stern anyday

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Lesser of two evils!

That's how most people vote.

It is, but only because our vote-counting system is severely flawed. People fear "throwing their vote away" on third-party candidates, because they know that doing so essentially equates to voting for the guy you hate the most.

If we had a system that allowed us to rank all candidates based on our preference rather than only selecting one, then eliminating candidates one-by-one American Idol-style based on lowest top-preference total, allowing votes for eliminated candidates to filter down to next-highest preference, then people would no longer be beholden to the two-party system and would be able to vote for fringe candidates without having to worry about their vote being pointless.

 

[MarAzul]

one candidate actually has experience governing and has actual plans/ideas

err, when does the punch line come?

 

[Denny Crane]

It is, but only because our vote-counting system is severely flawed. People fear "throwing their vote away" on third-party candidates, because they know that doing so essentially equates to voting for the guy you hate the most.

If we had a system that allowed us to rank all candidates based on our preference rather than only selecting one, then eliminating candidates one-by-one American Idol-style based on lowest top-preference total, allowing votes for eliminated candidates to filter down to next-highest preference, then people would no longer be beholden to the two-party system and would be able to vote for fringe candidates without having to worry about their vote being pointless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_gubernatorial_election,_1998

 

[PtldPlatypus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_gubernatorial_election,_1998

Well sure, when one third party candidate wins an election, that completely invalidates all concerns about the stranglehold the current two-party system has on the vast majority of elected office nationwide. I stand corrected.

 

[MarAzul]

What do you think would happen if you took away the federal reserve?

The Reserve originally pushed by the Hamilton a Whig (democrats today) , scrapped by Jackson (democrat by name then but Republican of today) , and reborn in todays configuration by Wilson (D). Not a damn thing in the Constitution supporting this institution, but since there is no value like gold or silver supporting the value of the dollar, how else are you going to maintain the dollar? It scares the hell out of me to think the political parties would have a go at it every 4 or 8 years. It would have been the final tool Obama needed to completely wreck this nation.

 

[dviss1]

The Reserve originally pushed by the Hamilton a Whig (democrats today) , scrapped by Jackson (democrat by name then but Republican of today) , and reborn in todays configuration by Wilson (D). Not a damn thing in the Constitution supporting this institution, but since there is no value like gold or silver supporting the value of the dollar, how else are you going to maintain the dollar? It scares the hell out of me to think the political parties would have a go at it every 4 or 8 years. It would have been the final tool Obama needed to completely wreck this nation.

And Bush didn't do that when we were losing 750k jobs per month at the end of his term? It's funny how right wingers conveniently forget that. Now our job growth is doing this but"Conservatives" will say that it's not happening fast enough...

 

[riverman]

The inertia in Washington DC takes about 20 years to finish an argument about anything. This is why the job rarely attracts talent

 

[riverman]

Any house painter knows you should never allow bushes to live within 3 feet of a white house.

 

[magnifier661]

And Bush didn't do that when we were losing 750k jobs per month at the end of his term? It's funny how right wingers conveniently forget that. Now our job growth is doing this but"Conservatives" will say that it's not happening fast enough...

I don't think any right winger will defend bush with a straight face. You should follow by example

 

[MarAzul]

And Bush didn't do that when we were losing 750k jobs per month at the end of his term? It's funny how right wingers conveniently forget that. Now our job growth is doing this but"Conservatives" will say that it's not happening fast enough...

Actually Bush did try to reel in Freddy and Fanny and all those wild ass loans that were going out, but Congress was not supportive. As you recall that finally did bring the house down.
I never did understand how the hell Congress expected the Federal Reserve to do there job in maintaining the value of the dollar. They gather (or the did) much data via the banks to monitor
and control the flow of money to maintain the dollar. No way can this work while Congress through Freddy and Fanny hand out money to anyone with a hand out. It definitely was a case of one hand not know what the other hand was doing. Bush didn't get it stopped and bad on him but I am not here to defend him. When I speak of Obama wrecking this Nation, I now think that is exactly
what he had in mind by "Fundamentally changing this Nation." I don't think he is done yet either, more to come and the dumb ass Republicans will just watch and bitch a little.

 

[dviss1]

Actually Bush did try to reel in Freddy and Fanny and all those wild ass loans that were going out, but Congress was not supportive. As you recall that finally did bring the house down.
I never did understand how the hell Congress expected the Federal Reserve to do there job in maintaining the value of the dollar. They gather (or the did) much data via the banks to monitor
and control the flow of money to maintain the dollar. No way can this work while Congress through Freddy and Fanny hand out money to anyone with a hand out. It definitely was a case of one hand not know what the other hand was doing. Bush didn't get it stopped and bad on him but I am not here to defend him. When I speak of Obama wrecking this Nation, I now think that is exactly
what he had in mind by "Fundamentally changing this Nation." I don't think he is done yet either, more to come and the dumb ass Republicans will just watch and bitch a little.

Simply blaming Fanny and freddie doesn't tell the whole story and you know it. I was a loan officer in 2006. I knew then those ARMs and Stated Income loans were bad. 0% financing with a 620 credit rating? That was the problem. Not just F&F.

 

[dviss1]

I don't think any right winger will defend bush with a straight face. You should follow by example

Huh? I'm not defending Jorge at all.

 

[magnifier661]

Huh? I'm not defending Jorge at all.

No, you've defended Obama

 

[dviss1]

No, you've defended Obama

You should too. Our market is trading at RECORD levels but... He had nothing to do with that.
My son and I have affordable healthcare now... he had nothing to do with that
We went from LOSING 750,000 jobs per month to creating 250,000 per... he had nothing to do with that...

Has he done some things that I don't agree with? Sure. But on the whole he has been a solid president.

 

[magnifier661]

You should too. Our market is trading at RECORD levels but... He had nothing to do with that.
My son and I have affordable healthcare now... he had nothing to do with that
We went from LOSING 750,000 jobs per month to creating 250,000 per... he had nothing to do with that...

Has he done some things that I don't agree with? Sure. But on the whole he has been a solid president.

Thanks for proving my point. Like I said, the democrats will die in flames before they admit that Obama ruined this country.

 

[magnifier661]

http://www.usdebtclock.org

The true numbers.

Debt per citizen: $57,097
Debt per tax payer: $154,510
Revenue per citizen: $9,833

Medicare: 962 bil
Social Security: 879 bil
Defense: 587 bil
Interest on Debt: 249 bil

 

[riverman]

Thanks for proving my point. Like I said, republicans will die in flames before they admit that Congress ruined this country.

FIFY

 

[magnifier661]

More troubling numbers, which has been led by the Obama Administration...

321,550,554 US Population:

Living in poverty: 43,821,128 (13%)
Living without insurance: 40,749,457 (12.71%)

I thought every american was to receive healthcare?!

http://www.politifact.com/ohio/stat...rcia-fudge-says-30-million-people-were-pover/

30 million people were in poverty when Bush left office. Since Obama became president, 13 million more americans went to poverty.

When Bush left office, 46.3 million americans were without healthcare (terrible I know). After 2.5 trillion spent on Obamacare, 6 million more americans received healthcare. That's 1.8% increase. 2 trillion for 1.8% increase over 8 years. Sounds like a sure bet!

 

[magnifier661]

FIFY

Funny thing... Obama spent the most money (increasing the debt) when he was president and there democrats controlled congress. The last 4 years, republicans controlled congress and the spending dropped in half. Weird huh?