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Chris Craig said:
It certainly feels that way. I wonder if you added up all the annual injuries from teams, whether the Blazers would be at the top. It seems every year they suffer injury after injury and they rarely get to the playoffs healthy.
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I think there was a year back when Batum was on the team that we had phenomenal consistency in terms of health and guys not missing games. It seems like every year since we've lost at least one major piece for a long stretch.

Heck, go back to Roy and Oden. We had a home-grown big three. Oden gets hurt immediately and his career never gets going, but Roy, who doesn't profile as a body type to experience major, chronic leg issues, has his body fail him just as he's entering his prime. That's cursed.
 
PCmor7 said:
I think there was a year back when Batum was on the team that we had phenomenal consistency in terms of health and guys not missing games. It seems like every year since we've lost at least one major piece for a long stretch.
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4 of 5 starters played every game, and the 6th man only missed 8 games. Portland was 7-5 without Aldridge, so they mostly kept pace

but that kind of health is extremely unusual, for any team

only one other Blazer team had that kind of durability

1990-91:

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Blazers won 59 games that season and made it to the finals...and the next season they won 63:

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and the next year they won 57 and made it to the finals again:

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so yeah, good health is important...but it's really hard to assemble a team of durable players
 
PCmor7 said:
I think there was a year back when Batum was on the team that we had phenomenal consistency in terms of health and guys not missing games. It seems like every year since we've lost at least one major piece for a long stretch.

Heck, go back to Roy and Oden. We had a home-grown big three. Oden gets hurt immediately and his career never gets going, but Roy, who doesn't profile as a body type to experience major, chronic leg issues, has his body fail him just as he's entering his prime. That's cursed.
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Both Oden and Roy were beyond repair before they ever entered the NBA..Roy was lucky to play as long as he did...wouldn't have mattered...what we didn't do was due diligence before drafting them...in Roy's case.he did martial arts kicking all his childhood which wore out his meniscus..we ran a car with faulty suspension into the junk yard...Oden was going to break just sitting down for lunch. Aldridge had an enlarged heart which I suffered from...Batum seemed to have wrist issues but those guys played solid minutes
 
wizenheimer said:
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4 of 5 starters played every game, and the 6th man only missed 8 games. Portland was 7-5 without Aldridge, so they mostly kept pace

but that kind of health is extremely unusual, for any team

only one other Blazer team had that kind of durability

1990-91:

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Blazers won 59 games that season and made it to the finals...and the next season they won 63:

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and the next year they won 57 and made it to the finals again:

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so yeah, good health is important...but it's really hard to assemble a team of durable players
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Durability, IMO, is a scoutworthy quality, but of course there's also a lot of luck involved. Then you get into the whole thing that there aren't a lot of iron-man superstars, and superstars ultimately are what wins championships. You get to measuring whether you want AC Green on your team who's very good and never misses a game or Chris Paul who is fantastic but might miss a huge chunk of the season out of seemingly nowhere.
 
riverman said:
Both Oden and Roy were beyond repair before they ever entered the NBA..Roy was lucky to play as long as he did...wouldn't have mattered...what we didn't do was due diligence before drafting them...in Roy's case.he did martial arts kicking all his childhood which wore out his meniscus..we ran a car with faulty suspension into the junk yard...Oden was going to break just sitting down for lunch. Aldridge had an enlarged heart which I suffered from...Batum seemed to have wrist issues but those guys played solid minutes
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You're right, the warning signs were there, but I think the team was fully aware of Roy's pre-existing issues and long term projection. A potentially shorted career was worth the immediate improvement Roy would make on the court and in the locker-room. Blazers were in really bad shape on both fronts and were desperate. I think it worked, we've never been that bottom barrel since, and they'd probably do it all over again. The extension on the other hand...possibly the main reason Pritchard was fired was the Roy extension and Oden pick, possibly because the Blazers were fully aware of their health issues and committed anyway. I recall Allen being reluctant about the Roy extension, don't recall his feelings about Oden and which way he honked. If he was always leery, might make sense why he humiliated Pritchard the way he did.
 
wizenheimer said:
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4 of 5 starters played every game, and the 6th man only missed 8 games. Portland was 7-5 without Aldridge, so they mostly kept pace

but that kind of health is extremely unusual, for any team

only one other Blazer team had that kind of durability

1990-91:

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Blazers won 59 games that season and made it to the finals...and the next season they won 63:

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and the next year they won 57 and made it to the finals again:

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so yeah, good health is important...but it's really hard to assemble a team of durable players
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So...what you’re saying is that being healthy is important when it comes to winning.
 
calvin natt said:
So...what you’re saying is that being healthy is important when it comes to winning.
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actually I was saying it's very rare for any NBA team to remain healthy, so it's important to have enough higher level talent to offset missing key players

I'm also saying that it hasn't mattered if Portland was healthy or not when it comes to the playoffs. Blazer's core was healthy against the Pelicans and got swept. They were healthy till game 5 of the Laker series last year and were getting boat raced

in other words, in order for me to fully accept that Portland would be a completely different team if they were healthy, I'd need to have seen them be a completely different team in the first place. But the same shit seems to happen to them if they are healthy or not, and they have the same flaws too. Also, I'm pretty skeptical that this roster could stay healthy. Just too many injuries, big and small, over the last 3 seasons
 
wizenheimer said:
actually I was saying it's very rare for any NBA team to remain healthy, so it's important to have enough higher level talent to offset missing key players

I'm also saying that it hasn't mattered if Portland was healthy or not when it comes to the playoffs. Blazer's core was healthy against the Pelicans and got swept. They were healthy till game 5 of the Laker series last year and were getting boat raced

in other words, in order for me to fully accept that Portland would be a completely different team if they were healthy, I'd need to have seen them be a completely different team in the first place. But the same shit seems to happen to them if they are healthy or not, and they have the same flaws too. Also, I'm pretty skeptical that this roster could stay healthy. Just too many injuries, big and small, over the last 3 seasons
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So 12 or so games to start the season with two new starters and one coming off a significant injury was enough time?
 
calvin natt said:
So 12 or so games to start the season with two new starters and one coming off a significant injury was enough time?
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are you talking about Nurkic? Nurkic played in the bubble, and he did fine, really well in fact, and that's when he was "coming off injury" He just came into Portland out of shape and out of sync, so what he was really coming off was a poor off-season

the "two new starters" excuse ignores the fact that other teams are dealing with similar issues. The Clippers have 2 new starters; the Lakers have 2 new starters; the Suns have 2 new starters. The Spurs promoted 2 backups to starting roles; in that regard, the Bucks have 2 new starters. Brooklyn has 4 new starters

the problem with the 2 new starters isn't that they are new, it's that they are wildly inconsistent on offense. They are not dependable on one end of the floor. This is the 6th straight season when the Blazers have had one of the weakest forward rotations in the league. That's a huge issue that has little to do with new-ness

I would be more open to the injury excuse than the new-starter excuse, but the injury thing has become a 'get-out-of-jail-free' card for Olshey and Stotts. Meanwhile, Dame turns 31 this summer
 
wizenheimer said:
are you talking about Nurkic? Nurkic played in the bubble, and he did fine, really well in fact, and that's when he was "coming off injury" He just came into Portland out of shape and out of sync, so what he was really coming off was a poor off-season

the "two new starters" excuse ignores the fact that other teams are dealing with similar issues. The Clippers have 2 new starters; the Lakers have 2 new starters; the Suns have 2 new starters. The Spurs promoted 2 backups to starting roles; in that regard, the Bucks have 2 new starters. Brooklyn has 4 new starters

the problem with the 2 new starters isn't that they are new, it's that they are wildly inconsistent on offense. They are not dependable on one end of the floor. This is the 6th straight season when the Blazers have had one of the weakest forward rotations in the league. That's a huge issue that has little to do with new-ness

I would be more open to the injury excuse than the new-starter excuse, but the injury thing has become a 'get-out-of-jail-free' card for Olshey and Stotts. Meanwhile, Dame turns 31 this summer
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You've convinced me. The only logical path forward is to trade Dame while we can still get something for him.
 
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wizenheimer said:
are you talking about Nurkic? Nurkic played in the bubble, and he did fine, really well in fact, and that's when he was "coming off injury" He just came into Portland out of shape and out of sync, so what he was really coming off was a poor off-season

the "two new starters" excuse ignores the fact that other teams are dealing with similar issues. The Clippers have 2 new starters; the Lakers have 2 new starters; the Suns have 2 new starters. The Spurs promoted 2 backups to starting roles; in that regard, the Bucks have 2 new starters. Brooklyn has 4 new starters

the problem with the 2 new starters isn't that they are new, it's that they are wildly inconsistent on offense. They are not dependable on one end of the floor. This is the 6th straight season when the Blazers have had one of the weakest forward rotations in the league. That's a huge issue that has little to do with new-ness

I would be more open to the injury excuse than the new-starter excuse, but the injury thing has become a 'get-out-of-jail-free' card for Olshey and Stotts. Meanwhile, Dame turns 31 this summer
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Yeah, Jusuf Nurkic, the one who played 8 games between this season and 2018. The bubble games. Hardly back full strength. You might be tired of the injuries but that doesnt have anything to do with them being legitimate or not

The Lakers, Clippers, Bucks and Nets also have MVPs/multiple all-stars. The Suns added Chris Paul, not Robert Covington or Derick Jones. The blazers are trying to work in two average players to the starting lineup, and Enes. Not handing the ball to James Harden.
 
e_blazer said:
You've convinced me. The only logical path forward is to trade Dame while we can still get something for him.
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again with a false either/or decision

I'd suggest trying to build a contender around Dame, while there still may be time to do, and discard the roster ideas that clearly aren't working
 
wizenheimer said:
again with a false either/or decision

I'd suggest trying to build a contender around Dame, while there still may be time to do, and discard the roster ideas that clearly aren't working
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Psst: Green font.
 
calvin natt said:
Yeah, Jusuf Nurkic, the one who played 8 games between this season and 2018. The bubble games. Hardly back full strength. You might be tired of the injuries but that doesnt have anything to do with them being legitimate or not
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he played 13 games (playoffs), and that was after he reportedly had been having full workouts for 2 months during the Covid pause

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he looked like the same Nukic last season as before his broken leg. Hard to dismiss that and say this was the season he was coming off an injury; last season in the bubble meant nothing

calvin natt said:
The Lakers, Clippers, Bucks and Nets also have MVPs/multiple all-stars. The Suns added Chris Paul, not Robert Covington or Derick Jones. The blazers are trying to work in two average players to the starting lineup, and Enes. Not handing the ball to James Harden.
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that's essentially what I said. Thanks for agreeing.

in other words, it has very little to do with 'new players'....that's just a convenient excuse; it's all about talent on the roster, and it's arguable the talent on this year's team isn't as good as the 2018-19 team

last season's forward rotation was Ariza, Melo, Hezonja/Bazemore. This season it's RoCo, Jones, Melo, Hood. The best player there is probably Ariza. This season's rotation is better than last season to be sure, but it's not better than Aminu/Harkless/Hood (pre-Achilles)/Layman/Turner/Zach.
 
RoseCityRebel said:
This team is unwatchable!!
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Time to change the hyperbolic thread title from "worst" to "2nd worst". Only problem is, we'll have to keep changing the thread title.

Nah, forget that idea... THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!
 
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Chris Craig said:
I find Dame's performance concerning too. Double teamed all night without teammates coming to set screens to get him out. Not enough attempts of playing Dame off the ball to get him shots, nothing.

Dame was scoreless in the first half. As much as that is also on Stotts and his teammates, its also him. He is supposed to be a star player. I haven't seen any star player stopped offensively like I have seen Dame stopped.
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This is a good one.
 
So this Dallas game was worst home defeat in Blazers history. And no one is talking about it.

You know, at least this topic proved itself. Current Blazers team managed to be worst team at something. If you look in the stats in ten years time, you check worst home lost ever, you will get a picture of Dame and CJ.

If J.Butler was here he would be furious about this game, yet just few hours after this lose, CJ posted tweeter about him being aristocrat.

We got exactly same problem as Minnie has. No attitude. And it was here all the time with Stotts an Olshey and this bs about "culture".

Last player that had some balls was Wes. Now ya all wanna trade Trent Jr. and he could be only bad mf in this team (like his father was;)

No good player wants to come here, not BC it's small market. It's BC we are Blazers. Competitors don't give a sh about CJ's mama sandwiches.
We are basically Minesotta + Lillard.

So, yeah, that's that. Just a notice. Great culture.
 
We definetly miss some assholes who are not afraid to speak up after an embarrassing loss. I hate this talk about culture and doing things the right way, fuck that bullshit. I wanna see effort and some fight especially on Defense
 
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