Notice This is the worst Blazer team I have seen in my lifetime.

[Natebishop3]

 

[Tince]

 

[Natebishop3]

It needed a good bump.

 

[wizenheimer]

this thread is a magnet for calm reasoned discussion and no personal attacks...glad it's back

 

[Natebishop3]

this thread is a magnet for calm reasoned discussion and no personal attacks...glad it's back

 

[Buffalo Custard]

Let us all recall the words of that great philosopher Mel Brooks.

 

[PCmor7]

Someone should start a thread about this being the worst Blazer team ever.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Seriously? WTF?

 

[kjironman1]

Maybe you should Bump this thread?

 

[Tince]

@Natebishop3

Where is this team ranked in franchise history?

 

[42N8Bounce]

My award for the worst Blazers team ever goes to.... the 2006 Zach Randolph led Blazers team.



The 2006 team went 21 wins, 61 losses with a team average PER (weighted by minutes played) of 13.56.

The team consisted of (listed by total minutes played):
- Zach Randolph
- Juan Dixon
- Steve Blake
- Sebastian Telfair
- Jarrett Jack
- Victor Khryapa
- Joel Przybilla
- Theo Ratliff
- Darius Miles
- Travis Outlaw
- Martell Webster
- Ruben Patterson
- Brian Skinner
- Sergei Monia
- Voshon Lenard
- Ha Seung-Jin
- Charles Smith

 

[PDXFonz]

Nate, you’ve been so pessimistic at times over the years that I guess you must be perpetually “born yesterday”.

I didn’t even remember the season, was quite a while ago now…Kind of weird to think about the fact that more time has passed since the 2004-06 seasons than had passed before I was born.

We would have been in for much worse if BRoy and LA didn’t save us from it.

Could argue McMillan helped as well.

 

[Natebishop3]

It’s been over a year and people still don’t understand this thread.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

It’s been over a year and people still don’t understand this thread.

So the thread means you are really really young?

 

[Natebishop3]

So the thread means you are really really young?

It means you didn’t actually read the thread. Try reading the thread and not just the title.

 

[HailBlazers]

It means you didn’t actually read the thread. Try reading the thread and not just the title.

TLDR.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

It means you didn’t actually read the thread. Try reading the thread and not just the title.

I read plenty.
You have no clue what was the worst this team has been.
Your original post pretty much said it all. Nothing changed after that.
Even more sad is you used Telfair to make your point.

 

[Minstrel]

He's using "worst" to mean "disappointing." Nothing was expected of the Telfair teams, so them producing nothing wasn't disappointing.

Using the word "worst" instead of "disappointing" is Nate's Buzzfeed side coming out.

 

[Natebishop3]

I read plenty.
You have no clue what was the worst this team has been.
Your original post pretty much said it all. Nothing changed after that.
Even more sad is you used Telfair to make your point.

Because my view point isn’t as narrow as just wins and losses. I made that clear.

 

[Natebishop3]

He's using "worst" to mean "disappointing." Nothing was expected of the Telfair teams, so them producing nothing wasn't disappointing.

Using the word "worst" instead of "disappointing" is Nate's Buzzfeed side coming out.

Because narrowing “worst” to only be wins and losses is extremely limiting.

 

[Natebishop3]

We pissed away the career of arguably the best player in team history. To me that’s the worst.

Drexler got to the finals twice. He had a shot.

Walton won a ring.

Roy was cut short by injuries.

Dame has been here 10 years and we haven’t done shit.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Because narrowing “worst” to only be wins and losses is extremely limiting.

i get ya. It was very dissapointing. I had fools gold with our “deep veteran bench” etc…

 

[Minstrel]

Because narrowing “worst” to only be wins and losses is extremely limiting.

Maybe. I mean, another person could say that the Blazers team that lost to the Bulls in the Finals was the "worst" because losing a legitimate title shot is the most disappointing thing and they're not limiting "worst" to wins and losses.

It's a weird usage IMO, but I'm not here to impose limits upon you!

 

[Natebishop3]

Maybe. I mean, another person could say that the Blazers team that lost to the Bulls in the Finals was the "worst" because losing a legitimate title shot is the most disappointing thing and they're not limiting "worst" to wins and losses.

It's a weird usage IMO, but I'm not here to impose limits upon you!

And really the dame portion was only part of it. Last years team was extremely selfish. Horrible iso ball.

 

[HailBlazers]

Dame has been here 10 years and we haven’t done shit.

League high Nine consecutive playoff appearances.

 

[wizenheimer]

We pissed away the career of arguably the best player in team history. To me that’s the worst.

Drexler got to the finals twice. He had a shot.

Walton won a ring.

Roy was cut short by injuries.

Dame has been here 10 years and we haven’t done shit.

I disagree....Portland definitely has done shit

 

[royo]

And at this point I really wouldn't mind to watch young guys playing fun basketball, doing alley oops and shit and not going into the playoffs. Being in the playoffs after all this years, when you know that most probable outcome is first exit on the motorway is no fun. It is more like slap on the face.

 

[42N8Bounce]

There's definitely a difference between 'worst' team and 'most disappointing' team. Let's have some fun -

As I posted earlier, the team average PER indicates how good the talent is on the team. We can then compare that to how well the team performed, and we get this graph:



From this chart, we can estimate the WL% given a team's talent based on the linear relationship WL% = 0.1459(PER) - 1.6988.

If we take the difference between what the team 'should' have achieved given the talent available, versus what the team actually achieved, here are the most underachieving teams in Blazers history:



Yes, the 2022 season is young, but it's already up there close to the most underachieving Blazers team ever.

 

[Minstrel]

There's definitely a difference between 'worst' team and 'most disappointing' team. Let's have some fun -

As I posted earlier, the team average PER indicates how good the talent is on the team. We can then compare that to how well the team performed, and we get this graph:

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From this chart, we can estimate the WL% given a team's talent based on the linear relationship WL% = 0.1459(PER) - 1.6988.

If we take the difference between what the team 'should' have achieved given the talent available, versus what the team actually achieved, here are the most underachieving teams in Blazers history:

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Yes, the 2022 season is young, but it's already up there close to the most underachieving Blazers team ever.

That's an interesting look at it, thanks. The main problem with it is that PER doesn't measure defense (beyond the most superficial level of steals and blocks) and defensive talent is where many of us think this team is lacking. Beyond that, the other major criticism of PER is that it rewards chucking, even inefficiently--all else held equal, more shot attempts -> higher PER.

However, I think there is a definite truth illustrated in both 2022 and 2020 being so high on the list (and I wouldn't be surprised if more Olshey teams are in the top ten): a big criticism I, and others, have had of Olshey is that he hasn't put together rosters that fit well together. Amassing a certain amount of talent that either doesn't fit well together or doesn't fit well with this era's style of play seems like a good way to underperform in an analysis like this.

 

[Natebishop3]

Eat your heart out MM!