This team is done. Fire Nate. Seriously. This is ridiculous.

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The problem is not necessarily first half/second half, it is the middle.

I took the last 10 games (four home and six on the road) and compared the quarter-by-quarter point differentials (positive Blazers score more, negative they scored fewer):

First Quarter: Home 3.5, Away 3.5
Second Quarter: Home 11.75, Away -1
Third Quarter: Home 12.5, Away -4.8
Fourth Quarter: Home -0.5, Away 0.5

A caveat on the fourth quarter away positive, four out of the six games were negative but the two positives were +2 and +10 (Hawks). The +10 Hawks game skews the overall average.

In the third quarter on the road, we lost five out of six quarters.

Still using the averages as they exist:
First half: Home +15.25, Away +2.5
Second half: Home +12, Away -4.3.

So, on the road we give up an average of 12.75 points in the first half and another 16.25 points in the second half. Over the last 10 games that amounts to giving up 29 points per game in point differential when playing on the road as compared to playing at home.

Do we have a problem? You bet. Yes, the players are the ones playing, but such a total discrepancy speaks also to the quality of the coaching. It would seem the players are playing more for the crowd than the coach. At home they have the crowd, on the road, not so and if your coach cannot inspire, then you see the kind of differential we see here.

Gramps...
 
Nikolokolus said:
Nash might give us a lift for 20 games ... and then what? Hell, even if you can resign him (which is no guarantee) what can you reasonably expect next year when you probably lose Camby and Wallace and maybe Batum (nevermind who you traded to get Nash) and you're mostly left with a skeleton crew around LaMarcus and Nash and that's probably going to crater spectacularly.

I know people still want to believe that we're on the cusp of something great if we could only make that one move ... but it's far more dire than that.
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I'm telling you it would actually be a better situation for us. Nash would resign, IMO. We will match any offer for Batum; so he's a lock. I think E. Will will be something special. Camby will probably have 1-2 more years left.

If we make some noise in the playoffs; then we have a really good shot at getting a free agent as well. Maybe not a Deron Williams type; but definitely something good.

Rebuilding in the draft isn't good; especially when we have a player in his peak. Nash can be the Batman for 2-3 years, Aldridge will be Robin and Batum will be Alfred. :D
 
Nikolokolus said:
Cute.

I'm sure a lot of people think Nash would be just what the doctor ordered, but stating that he probably won't because of some special circumstances doesn't mean I'm being wildly negative, it just means I'm capable of looking at this kind of move in context. A) If they trade for Nash there's going to be a feeling out period. In a normal year there would be more practice time and games to get it figured out. This year, with the compressed schedule, quickly adjusting to new teammates is going to be that much harder. B) If you're trading for Nash, presumably you are parting with what few assets we have left. We can't offer this year's first round pick because next year's is already committed to Charlotte (because of the Stepien rule) so all we have to offer that interests them is probably Nic and Elliot and whatever contract ballast is needed to fill out the deal.

I like this team and I don't want to see them completely mortgage the future on a deal that I think barely moves the contender meter now and severely cripples it for years later ... and you think I'm being negative. :facepalm:
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I thought your assessment that the Blazers "probably" lose Camby and Wallace and "maybe" Nic as well is a pretty negative viewpoint, particularly when used as a justification not to make a trade this season. If you actually think the Blazers will lose all of those pieces next summer, that means the team is pretty much in a rebuilding mode, in which case it seems to me that taking a stab at a guy like Nash turning the team into a contender makes perfect sense. OTH, if the Blazers are going to continue to build around the current nucleus, including at a minimum re-signing Batum and getting something out of Wallce and/or Camby, then giving up significant assets for Nash may not be the smart thing to do. Part of the decision would certainly include discussions with Nash about whether he is willing to sign with the Blazers for another year or two.
 
e_blazer said:
I thought your assessment that the Blazers "probably" lose Camby and Wallace and "maybe" Nic as well is a pretty negative viewpoint, particularly when used as a justification not to make a trade this season. If you actually think the Blazers will lose all of those pieces next summer, that means the team is pretty much in a rebuilding mode, in which case it seems to me that taking a stab at a guy like Nash turning the team into a contender makes perfect sense. OTH, if the Blazers are going to continue to build around the current nucleus, including at a minimum re-signing Batum and getting something out of Wallce and/or Camby, then giving up significant assets for Nash may not be the smart thing to do. Part of the decision would certainly include discussions with Nash about whether he is willing to sign with the Blazers for another year or two.
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Camby's contract expires ... and he's pushing 40. Wallace probably has to opt out to get his last major contract, if you want to get Nash you're going to almost certainly have to part with Nic.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Camby's contract expires ... and he's pushing 40. Wallace probably has to opt out to get his last major contract, if you want to get Nash you're going to almost certainly have to part with Nic.
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Camby is pushing 38 and has said he wants a contract to play for another couple of years. He's also said that he wants to retire as a Blazer. I don't see any overwhelming issue there about the Blazers re-signing him. Wallace is opting out to get a final big contract. He's said he's open to re-signing with the Blazers. They need to decide whether they want to do that or whether they'd be ahead to use him in a trade. If the price for Nash includes Nic, I'd pass, but you shouldn't just assume that it does. Remember the lovely parting gifts the Blazers got when they let Clyde go to Houston? Deals are done in the NBA for all kinds of reasons that we message board gurus don't understand.
 
Oh I thought u meant this current roster. Yes with Nash we would get 6-7 seed.
 
So let's blame Nate for the road losses but give him no credit for the fact the Blazers have the best home record in the league?

Truth is Nate's coaching didn't cost the Blazers the loss last night, the players did (for a running team we sure do suck at the fast break) Nate also isn't responsible for the best home record in the league, the players are.

In sports there needs to be a scapegoat when things are bad. Without a GM, the only spot to look is the coach and Nate must know that goes with the terrritory. I agree with the post about Nate may be getting stale and a new look might give new motivation to the players.

I can't believe grown men making millions of dollars need extra motivation, but it appears they do. Other than that, this last lost is due more to the players who should be putting games like this away rather than a coach who has a different roster this year with little to no practice time.
 
Where is Kevin Pritchard when you need him?

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Perhaps there is a loophole in the new CBA that would permit BRoy to come back as Coach/Player? HMMMM
 
Nikolokolus said:
"OK guys, I want everybody flat along the baseline while I run a high iso ..."
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What makes it more insane is it would work better than what we've seen so far on the road this season. Even with Roy having no meniscus
 
I don't think we will have to fire him. If the team rebuilds I think he'll leave on his own.
 
magnifier661 said:
What makes it more insane is it would work better than what we've seen so far on the road this season. Even with Roy having no meniscus
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Nah, we saw first hand what he looked like last year when his knees couldn't take the nightly abuse. His FG% plummeted as he had to settle for more pull-up jumpers and he couldn't finish around the rim like he used to. It would certainly look a little different with him running end-of-game situations, but the outcome would probably be the same. C`est la vie'
 
Nikolokolus said:
Nah, we saw first hand what he looked like last year when his knees couldn't take the nightly abuse. His FG% plummeted as he had to settle for more pull-up jumpers and he couldn't finish around the rim like he used to. It would certainly look a little different with him running end-of-game situations, but the outcome would probably be the same. C`est la vie'
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Ugg was kinda making a joke on our current offense. Basically meaning, broy playing with no knees is better than the guard play we have now. Basically our guard play now is just that bad.
 
magnifier661 said:
Ugg was kinda making a joke on our current offense. Basically meaning, broy playing with no knees is better than the guard play we have now. Basically our guard play now is just that bad.
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Heh, OK ... in that case you might have a pretty strong argument.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I know people still want to believe that we're on the cusp of something great if we could only make that one move ... but it's far more dire than that.
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There is one move that would pre-empt all other moves, including Steve Nash. See the thread title. Underperforming players might then come up to speed. It should be tried at least one year before blowing up the team, since it may make that unnecessary.
 
jlprk said:
There is one move that would pre-empt all other moves, including Steve Nash. See the thread title. Underperforming players might then come up to speed. It should be tried at least one year before blowing up the team, since it may make that unnecessary.
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Our guards have been so bad this season, I'd like to see the Blazers go after Nash just to see how good this team could be with a real PG who can actually shoot the ball.

Of course, it would also be nice if that PG had a real offense to run. It's too bad we didn't get Rick Adelman when he was available. Look how quickly he's integrated Ricky Rubio to the NBA and turned Minnesota from a doormat into a decent team. Imagine how different this team would look with Adelman coaching and Nash running the point.

BNM
 
Folks, Boob isn't blowing his own horn, so I will. Boob argued with PapaG (who currently has some silly quote from me in his signature) that Felton is a big step down from Miller. I was a Miller defender, but made the mistake of siding with PapaG that Felton's not as good, but 7 years younger, so we'll get something in a trade if he fails and still come out ahead by getting Felton.

Boob was right. I'm hoping that McMillan will give Felton the Miller treatment and slow him down, but it isn't happening.
 
It has been suggested that the team has quit on Nate. What if Nate has quit on the team?

The guy is using Crawford to run the Roy ISO offense. WTF? He is treating Felton the way Cheeks treated Damon - no matter how poorly he plays, there is no accountability. After an entire off-season, he still has no plays in the book for Wallace.

Somebody help me out here? What is he doing?
 
oldmangrouch said:
Somebody help me out here? What is he doing?
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He wants players who fit his vague but ironclad system, if you can call it a system. He lacks the talent to change his system to fit the talents of his players. I watched him coach the Sonics for 5 years. Nothing ever changes for him.
 
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