Politics This video about sums it up on why I am voting for Trump

[MarAzul]

I should have added, the money that will not need to be paid out by the government because people will be making their own way.

 

[julius]

you are aware that trickle down economics (which is basically what you're suggesting will happen) has not, never has and never will work, right?

 

[barfo]

This too. If Trump actually brings industry back to the U.S, people will be making money they can actually spend because they aren't taxed into the grave.

Republicans have been claiming for years that if you give rich people big tax breaks they'll create more jobs. It has been tried, and it hasn't worked. But it has been good for rich people.

Separately, more on Bernie's demographic... he's favored more by men than women, whites than non-whites, college-educated than non, and (as mentioned) by >$50k vs. <$50k. Just information, not making a point here.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

People need to feel good again, feel they have a bright future. The last yacht design I sold was in 2006. I now have people looking at the MarAzul and use words like beautiful! Work of Art!
Just yesterday, one fellow said, That is a fine piece of work. Great stuff, flatters my ego all fluffy.

But no one is spending the money planning to built a yacht. I think they need leadership to inspire them with the can do feeling again.

 

[magnifier661]

The biggest myth I've heard about Sanders is that he's about the middle class. His demographic is the under 20-30k a year crowd, often on welfare, etc. If anyone is about the middle class, it's Trump. The whole "the middle class doesn't exist" is horseshit spewed by underachievers who think everybody is failing at life.

Truth be told, his tax plan isn't perfect. Cutting taxes is good...but he's cutting them a lot. I'd assume that's because he thinks he can make up the lost cash by being better at business, trade, and having people consume more because now they have more control of their money.

Nailed it!

 

[barfo]

People need to feel good again, feel they have a bright future. The last yacht design I sold was in 2006. I now have people looking at the MarAzul and use words like beautiful! Work of Art!
Just yesterday, one fellow said, That is a fine piece of work. Great stuff, flatters my ego all fluffy.

But no one is spending the money planning to built a yacht. I think they need leadership to inspire them with the can do feeling again.

So, if we give rich people another tax break, one of them might hire you to design a yacht? Ok, that's one new job, I guess. How many million jobs do you suppose there are for yacht designers?

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

That's not actually correct, about Sanders, in fact it's backwards. At least according to the Fox News poll (not endorsing Fox, just the most recent poll I could find data for quickly), among <$50k voters, Hillary leads Bernie 54-20%, while for >$50k voters, Bernie leads 38-37.

Now, as far as Trump being about the middle class - yeah... sure. That's why his tax plan gives the biggest break to the top 1%.

barfo

He also taxes the median middle class only 10%. Even Obama doesn't give them that break.

 

[bulls_with_booz]

you are aware that trickle down economics (which is basically what you're suggesting will happen) has not, never has and never will work, right?

>right wing tax plan
>automatically trickle down ecomomics

Taxing the rich so much they leave isn't the answer either. Trump's plan at the least is sensible, benefits both sides.

 

[MarAzul]

How many million jobs do you suppose there are for yacht designers?

Well if I get orders for three, I will put about 40 people to work building them. If I sell a plan, some bodies will surely be needed some where to create the yacht.

 

[barfo]

He also taxes the median middle class only 10%. Even Obama doesn't give them that break.

That last bit ought to give you a clue about the lack of reality involved in Trump's plan.

barfo

 

[bulls_with_booz]

That last bit ought to give you a clue about the lack of reality involved in Trump's plan.

barfo

Lack of reality? There's nothing out of the world about what he's doing. Cutting taxes across the board.

 

[barfo]

Lack of reality? There's nothing out of the world about what he's doing. Cutting taxes across the board.

The lack of reality is how to pay for government if you do that. It means either very severe spending cuts (which have not been detailed, and probably will not be detailed, and therefore probably will not happen because there will be no consensus/mandate on what to cut) or running much larger deficits - which Republicans claim they don't approve of.

barfo

 

[julius]

>right wing tax plan
>automatically trickle down ecomomics

Taxing the rich so much they leave isn't the answer either. Trump's plan at the least is sensible, benefits both sides.

when someone mentions that it will create jobs, that's exactly what they're referencing.

 

[magnifier661]

Well, yeah. The Republican tax plan consists of cuts, usually.

Spending cuts is a different issue. Trump seems to like big military, so I doubt a cut will be made there.

Personally, my favorite tax plan presented thus far has been from Rand Paul.

https://www.randpaul.com/issue/taxes

I like his plan but I doubt any flat tax proposal will ever fly. I've been for flat tax for a long time.

 

[magnifier661]

That last bit ought to give you a clue about the lack of reality involved in Trump's plan.

barfo

The last bit explains that the democrats really aren't for the middle class. They need a lot of tax for their big social programs. Gotta put the fuel in the government gas guzzler

 

[magnifier661]

The lack of reality is how to pay for government if you do that. It means either very severe spending cuts (which have not been detailed, and probably will not be detailed, and therefore probably will not happen because there will be no consensus/mandate on what to cut) or running much larger deficits - which Republicans claim they don't approve of.

barfo

The DC Establishment has advertised budget cuts are impossible, but congress and Clinton were able to budget in the black for 2 years. There's a lot you can do with the right management

 

[barfo]

The last bit explains that the democrats really aren't for the middle class. They need a lot of tax for their big social programs. Gotta put the fuel in the government gas guzzler

So, is Trump going to cut those social programs? If so which ones?

barfo

 

[riverman]

So candidates are promising to cut taxes and create jobs by bringing business back home...we've never heard this before, right?

 

[magnifier661]

So, is Trump going to cut those social programs? If so which ones?

barfo

I honestly don't know what he will cut. I'm sure as the campaign moves on, details will come out. I have a good idea something will happen with ObloatedCare.

 

[magnifier661]

So candidates are promising to cut taxes and create jobs by bringing business back home...we've never heard this before, right?

It happened a while ago and it generated some of the best GDP growth and increased jobs in 50 years.

 

[barfo]

I honestly don't know what he will cut. I'm sure as the campaign moves on, details will come out.

I'll wait. I got nowhere to go.

I'm skeptical, though, that details will come out. It's a lot easier to say that you are going to "cut waste and fraud", than to say that you are going to cut specific programs. It's easy to say 'Tax cuts for everyone!'. It's hard to say 'but this group of people are going to get their benefits eliminated'.

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

I'll wait. I got nowhere to go.

I'm skeptical, though, that details will come out. It's a lot easier to say that you are going to "cut waste and fraud", than to say that you are going to cut specific programs. It's easy to say 'Tax cuts for everyone!'. It's hard to say 'but this group of people are going to get their benefits eliminated'.

barfo

That's actually very true. Can't disagree with you there. But which demographic will be hurt? It could be just supply costs? Who really knows.

 

[Denny Crane]

you are aware that trickle down economics (which is basically what you're suggesting will happen) has not, never has and never will work, right?

Actually, it did work.

What doesn't work is trickle down government.

 

[magnifier661]

Poll: Donald Trump still on top as outsiders Fiorina, Carson rise

WASHINGTON — Billionaire businessman Donald Trump has strengthened his lead at the top of the USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll while two other outsider candidates, Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina, have gained ground over rivals with electoral experience.

Jeb Bush, who two months ago was second to Trump in the USA TODAY survey, has tumbled to single digits and fifth place. The third-place finisher last time, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, suspended his campaign entirely this month.

"Unfortunately, I'm leaning toward Trump, only because he's a non-political figure," says Ginger Mangam, 58, a customer-service representative from Little Rock, Ark., who was among those surveyed. Asked about his lack of electoral experience, she replies: "I don't think it's a problem; I think it's a message."

Anthony Edelen, 37, a small-business owner from Vermillion, S.D., likes what he hears from Trump and Fiorina. "I just want somebody who is going to move our country in a direction different from where it is currently," he said in a follow-up interview.

The shifting landscape underscores an electorate that is fed up with politics-as-usual and willing to embrace contenders who promise to shake things up. Some presidential hopefuls with significant political experience — New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Grahamamong them — have failed to gain traction and now score at 1% or below, a standing that may make it harder for them to raise money and command a spot on stage in future televised debates.

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio has risen to fourth place, backed by 9% of those surveyed.

The poll of 380 likely Republican primary voters, taken Thursday through Monday, has a margin of error of +/- 5 percentage points. The full sample of 1,000 likely voters has an error margin of 3 points.

Some political analysts, including those in the latest USA TODAY GOP Power Rankings, see Trump as beginning to lose ground as scrutiny on him as a potential president intensifies. Still, he continues to lead the field at 23%, up 6 points from the July survey. Carson, a retired neurosurgeon, and Fiorina, an ex-CEO, tie for second at 13%, both big jumps the last poll. That means about half of the GOP electorate now backs candidates who have never served in elective office.

No other candidate breaks into double digits. Rubio is at 9%, Bush at 8%, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz at 6% and Ohio Gov. John Kasich at 2%. Not a single respondent backs former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum or former New York governor George Pataki.

"I support Donald Trump because ... he's the only one that has what it takes to stand up to people," declares Nina Neece, 56, of Turlock, Calif. "He's not afraid of offending anybody."

Jordan Penegor, 21, a barista from Reno, Nev., is following Carson on Facebook and likes what she reads. "He's not a politician so he doesn't look at the political views," Penegor says. "He just looks at helping the American people as a whole."

The poll does spot some potential problems for Trump. Among all those surveyed, Americans by more than 2-1, 61%-27%, have an unfavorable opinion of him. In contrast, Carson is viewed favorably by 40%, unfavorably by 32%. Fiorina has a net favorable rating of 38%-32%.

And when those surveyed were asked to volunteer one word to describe Trump, the most frequent response was "idiot" or "jerk." For Fiorina, the most frequent response was "smart."

 

[magnifier661]

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-gop-primary

Trump 26.8%, Ben Carson 16.3%, Carly Fiorina 9.5%

 

[riverman]

And when those surveyed were asked to volunteer one word to describe Trump, the most frequent response was "idiot" or "jerk." For Fiorina, the most frequent response was "smart."
This pretty much sums it up for me

 

[magnifier661]

And when those surveyed were asked to volunteer one word to describe Trump, the most frequent response was "idiot" or "jerk." For Fiorina, the most frequent response was "smart."
This pretty much sums it up for me

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/29/donald-trump-morphs-into-a-real-candidate/

‘Teflon Don’ morphs into a real candidate
By Charles Hurt -
Tuesday, September 29, 2015
Donald Trump, the political experts and establishment stooges only made him stronger. And now they don’t have a clue what to do.

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Those in Washington who still think a Donald Trump presidency is preposterous or absurd have only themselves to blame for creating an environment that has made it so easy for the swashbuckling, smack-talking businessman to rise so effortlessly to the top of the heap.

It turns out that not only does the man enjoy very high energy, he also has incredible stamina. His staying power is a-MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZ-ing. Mr. Trump is outlasting all of his harshest critics and is now outlasting some of the surest favorites running for the Republican nomination.

Scott Walker was the man to beat. He was a professional political expert with executive experience. He had won real political battles. And he accomplished all that without enduring the political mark of Cain: residing in Washington.

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His campaign’s spectacular collapse — rivaled only by that of former Texas Gov. Rick Perry — is sure not to be the last.

Already, the jackals in the press have caught the scent of death around Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul’s campaign and have begun circling and letting loose their heinous laughs.

The most alarming thing about Donald Trump for these people is that they have, literally, thrown everything they can at the man. And, yet, he is still standing, completely unbowed. In the 3½ months since he launched his campaign, his popularity has only grown with every sling and arrow.

Mr. Trump has accomplished something no one thought possible. Meticulously, methodically, patiently, Mr. Trump has morphed into a legitimate candidate.

He just released the latest of three very serious policy position papers, this one on taxes. The first two were on illegal immigration and guns — filling out a veritable triumvirate of most important issues for all conservatives and many independents.

Each paper is deeply sophisticated and principled. And when was the last time a candidate for president got wall-to-wall coverage for releasing a policy paper?

Certainly not when Jeb Bush released his policy position this week on, and I am not making this up, “energy.”

“Unleash the energy revolution!” announced his campaign. Not to be confused with the “low energy” Mr. Trump is constantly accusing Mr. Bush of having.

•Charles Hurt can be reached at charleshurt@live.com and on Twitter via @charleshurt.

 

[riverman]

I'm going to feel really sorry for mags when it turns out Trump is a double agent democrat who will become Hillary's vp running mate after destroying the GOP...

 

[magnifier661]

I'm going to feel really sorry for mags when it turns out Trump is a double agent democrat who will become Hillary's vp running mate after destroying the GOP...

 

[riverman]

We don't need to see your art collection