Thoughts: Do the Blazers have a deal in mind?

[BlazerCaravan]

Spork. The Blazers value versatility.

They should look into Splades from New Zealand.

 

[Draco]

What the hell are the "pieces" or assets people say Olshey is collecting? I just see a ton of pieces of junk. A protected 2nd round pick? The player taken with the 46th pick in the same draft we gave away the 41st? Outside of LaMarcus, Lillard, and maybe Leonard I don't think any pick or player this franchise has could get much of anything in return on a trade. The Timberwolves will never be eligible to trade for Nic and I don't think any other team values him above the cost of his contract.

When we had Outlaw, Telfair, Webster as our young assets fans overvalued them because the roster was so void of talent. Fans start seeing talent and value where there is none. Now I think our current roster is well ahead of the curve of those dark years, but I think fans are doing the same thing in overvaluing mediocre assets this team currently has just because there are so few quality pieces here right now.

Look at teams like Boston with Green, Sullinger, Lee, Terry, Worten all on their bench. I don’t know if we have a single bench player that talented. Or even terrible teams like Charlotte or the Cavs, they have many talented young lottery picks, multiple future first round picks and more potential future cap space.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Assets

Freeland
Claver
Matthews
Smith
Babbitt
Williams
Barton
Hickson
Three 2nd round picks
One highly touted Greek
One sorta kinda touted Greek
3.5 TPE from Felton

We have assets to deal

 

[gatorpops]

I have a friend that is a scout for another team. I think it was MickZagger who dubbed him pizza guy because he refuses to believe someone could actually know a person that works for a team. I decided to name him Randy Bodek after the character in Loverboy because he was a pizza delivery guy.

So we now know more about the Pizza Guy than we know about the maybe deal coming soon?

 

[Mediocre Man]

So we now know more about the Pizza Guy than we know about the maybe deal coming soon?

I have no idea if there is a deal coming soon? I know nothing

 

[magnifier661]

A good GM will have pieces available for any sort of trades if they are presented to them. I think our GM is positioning himself for that option. Will he make a deal? I'm not quite sure, but I suspect he will position himself to have that option if it presents itself to him.

 

[Natebishop3]

I would say we're targeting someone like Iggy, but I don't think we have the assets that would match up the numbers.

 

[Blazinaway]

I don't think they have a specific deal in mind, but want to have assets ready when the right one comes along. That way they will be ready to pull the trigger at any time in the next three or so years. My guess is that nothing will happen this season, but after next season (when they likely get another good draft pick), I think they will start pushing harder to see what they can get.

I think the only deal they could/might do at the deadline is to move WES and his contract, but that happens only IF Ewill shows he can do the job as well or better and stay healthy, and that the new guy we drafted is a solid backup.

 

[magnifier661]

I would say we're targeting someone like Iggy, but I don't think we have the assets that would match up the numbers.

LOL it works!

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=carfada

 

[Mediocre Man]

I would say we're targeting someone like Iggy, but I don't think we have the assets that would match up the numbers.

I think we could get to the numbers with Matthews, Freeland and Babbitt maybe one more filler, but we don't have the draft pick assets yet to pull that off. Next season we will have around 5.7 million to play with? Plus more than likely a high lottery pick. He might just sit on things until then and either make a lopsided trade including our lottery pick, or use that lottery pick and make a lopsided trade using an reasonable contract going out for a bad one coming in

 

[Draco]

Assets

Freeland
Claver
Matthews
Smith
Babbitt
Williams
Barton
Hickson
Three 2nd round picks
One highly touted Greek
One sorta kinda touted Greek
3.5 TPE from Felton

We have assets to deal

How is Hickson an asset? Any team in the league could’ve signed him but he had no interest.

I guess my definition of asset is different than other fans. I consider an asset something that could bring back at the least a late first round pick in a trade. Everything else is just random parts of the roster. If you consider all 12 of those random parts assets then by that definition 80% of the players in the league could be categorized as “assets”.

 

[Mediocre Man]

How is Hickson an asset? Any team in the league could’ve signed him but he had no interest.

I guess my definition of asset is different than other fans. I consider an asset something that could bring back at the least a late first round pick in a trade. Everything else is just random parts of the roster. If you consider all 12 of those random parts assets then by that definition 80% of the players in the league could be categorized as “assets”.

So Hickson, putting up similar numbers as last year for Portland on an expiring deal with Bird rights wouldn't bring back a late first for a play off team?

 

[Natebishop3]

So Hickson, putting up similar numbers as last year for Portland on an expiring deal with Bird rights wouldn't bring back a late first for a play off team?

I have a feeling he won't be putting up numbers like that with Aldridge back. He was essentially playing the role of Aldridge when LMA went down with the hip thing.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I have a feeling he won't be putting up numbers like that with Aldridge back. He was essentially playing the role of Aldridge when LMA went down with the hip thing.

If Hickson averages half what he did for Portland last year, at 23 years old on an expiring deal with Bird rights, he will be in demand. His PER and most everything else has gone up each year, with the exception of SAC. There is no reason to think that if he got 25 minutes a night that he wouldn't put up close to 10/6.

 

[magnifier661]

I have a feeling he won't be putting up numbers like that with Aldridge back. He was essentially playing the role of Aldridge when LMA went down with the hip thing.

I don't know man, he was balling even with Aldridge on the floor with him. I remembered some epic rebounding games with Aldridge in the rotation.

 

[Eastoff]

LOL it works!

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=carfada

It blows my mind that we gain one win, and they lose five.

 

[magnifier661]

It blows my mind that we gain one win, and they lose five.

I think it has more to do with the players other than Matthews aren't really going to get significant burn on our team; so basically it would be Iggy vs. Matthews addition equals our win total. Then on the flip side, Iggs was a very significant asset to the success to Philly; which would hit them harder (being that Matthews would be getting significant minutes at SG). But in reality, who fucking knows... I maybe talking out of my ass.

 

[Eastoff]

I think it has more to do with the players other than Matthews aren't really going to get significant burn on our team; so basically it would be Iggy vs. Matthews addition equals our win total. Then on the flip side, Iggs was a very significant asset to the success to Philly; which would hit them harder (being that Matthews would be getting significant minutes at SG). But in reality, who fucking knows... I maybe talking out of my ass.

it may be ass talk, but it made sense to me!

 

[Eastoff]

I don't know man, he was balling even with Aldridge on the floor with him. I remembered some epic rebounding games with Aldridge in the rotation.

and it's not like a guard where the defense can learn your moves and exploit the holes. Rebounding is all about positioning and reading. If he could do it well with Aldridge before, he'll be able to do it again.

 

[Eastoff]

I have a friend that is a scout for another team. I think it was MickZagger who dubbed him pizza guy because he refuses to believe someone could actually know a person that works for a team. I decided to name him Randy Bodek after the character in Loverboy because he was a pizza delivery guy.

[video=youtube;vZW4sb5inDQ] is this the pizza guy?

 

[Nikolokolus]

If Hickson averages half what he did for Portland last year, at 23 years old on an expiring deal with Bird rights, he will be in demand. His PER and most everything else has gone up each year, with the exception of SAC. There is no reason to think that if he got 25 minutes a night that he wouldn't put up close to 10/6.

Right. Basically I think teams want to see if his Sacramento stint or his 19 games with the Blazers was the aberration.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I have to agree with Draco that our "assets"at this time are not very strong. Babbit and Smith are guys who look like they got drafted too high, Elliot Williams has not proved he can stay healthy. Claver and Freeland have not yet proved they are NBA rotation players. Hickson still needs to have a solid year before he will have much value. I think the plan is that some of these guys will have a good year and therefore will be assets in the future. I don't think there will be any major deals this year.

 

[Draco]

So Hickson, putting up similar numbers as last year for Portland on an expiring deal with Bird rights wouldn't bring back a late first for a play off team?

That’s a hypothetical situation irrelevant to his value today. The market judged his value as less than a 1 year MLE deal, so that is his current value. If he performs better than expected his value could go up, but if he struggles it could go down.

If Nolan Smith is putting up Chris Paul numbers he'll be worth a fortune. Neither scenario effects the players value right now.

 

[magnifier661]

The one player I was completely dissapointed with was Flynn. I had high hopes that he would turn things around. I guess that's why he didn't find a home in PDX and is having a tough time getting anything of significances this summer. I look back at that deal as a complete waste. I know Camby was on the out; but we should have at least requested a draft pick or something.

 

[Mediocre Man]

That’s a hypothetical situation irrelevant to his value today. The market judged his value as less than a 1 year MLE deal, so that is his current value. If he performs better than expected his value could go up, but if he struggles it could go down.

If Nolan Smith is putting up Chris Paul numbers he'll be worth a fortune. Neither scenario effects the players value right now.

His current value is technically nothing since he can't be traded right now

 

[Mediocre Man]

The one player I was completely dissapointed with was Flynn. I had high hopes that he would turn things around. I guess that's why he didn't find a home in PDX and is having a tough time getting anything of significances this summer. I look back at that deal as a complete waste. I know Camby was on the out; but we should have at least requested a draft pick or something.

S-Y-R-A-C-U-S-E

 

[Natebishop3]

The one player I was completely dissapointed with was Flynn. I had high hopes that he would turn things around. I guess that's why he didn't find a home in PDX and is having a tough time getting anything of significances this summer. I look back at that deal as a complete waste. I know Camby was on the out; but we should have at least requested a draft pick or something.

The guy flopped in two other towns, and you know he has to be bad if Kahn is willing to give up on him.

With that said, I had hopes that he could turn it around but it was pretty obvious that he can't shoot and he can't play defense.

 

[BBert]

Note to self: If Kahn drafted a guy in the top 5, that doesn't mean said player has any potential at all. Don't be suckered. Don't follow that goat to slaughter. Mana from heaven.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

When we make a deal, we'll let you know

 

[BBert]

Kay.