Thoughts on the Death Penalty

[Further]

What do you think about what's been happening lately?

Lately in the US there have been some botched executions mainly due to the fact that drug companies a couple years ago started realizing that their meds, which were designed to save lives, were being used to put people to death. Well, some of the companies considered that immoral while others just saw it as bad press, but either way all main pharmaceutical companies worldwide started refusing to sell if the purpose was to kill.

So, then the states started having a difficult time getting the meds they wanted, some states started using compounding pharmacies which are little labs that aren't required to meet the same standards, and meds from those pharmacies have proven many times to not work correctly, like an execution last night that took over 2 hours to work, with the person snorting and flopping around for that whole time. Other states even were found buying the stuff on the black market.

Some states have passed laws that require them to keep all information about how they get their drugs secret, along with keeping secret not only the identities of the ones administering the drugs, but also what credentials or training those people have. The secrecy mixed with spotty sourcing, the medical boards saying administering execution drugs goes against the Hippocratic Oath and can be grounds for losing ones license, has led to many executions being postponed or botched.

 

[magnifier661]

Kill em ALL!

 

[Eastoff]

Kill em ALL!

but HOW!?

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Decapitation! I've read that it's a pain free way to die.

And I don't think a company who makes guillotines would have the same issues as the pharmaceutical companies...

 

[magnifier661]

but HOW!?

I always liked "public hangings"

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The drugs they use in assisted suicide work faster than what they are using on these people. It's a cluster fuck.

 

[Eastoff]

Decapitation! I've read that it's a pain free way to die.

And I don't think a company who makes guillotines would have the same issues as the pharmaceutical companies...

And now we have the technology to attach sensors to their brain to finally resolve if you can still think for 30 seconds after your head is cut off! Win-Win!

 

[Eastoff]

The drugs they use in assisted suicide work faster than what they are using on these people. It's a cluster fuck.

That's something I've wondered too. Why don't they pump them full of morphine until their heart stops?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

innocent people getting killed is bad, but child rapist/murderers deserve to die

so i guess i dont really know

 

[Denny Crane]

innocent people getting killed is bad, but child rapist/murderers deserve to die

so i guess i dont really know

That's what the courts are for. No person may be deprived of Life without due process.

Convince 12 men/women unanimously (very high standard), and due process is achieved.

 

[Stevenson]

It's racist.

 

[Denny Crane]

It's racist.

Actually it isn't.

Edit...

Since 1976


BLACK 304 14.9%
LATINO 134 6.5%
WHITE 1549 76.3%
OTHER 44 2.1%

NOTE: Number of Victims refers to the victims in the underlying murder in cases where an execution has occurred since the restoration of the death penalty in 1976. There are more victims than executions because some cases involve more than one victim.

Race of Victim Figures up to 10/1/2013 from NAACP-LDF "Death Row USA (October 1, 2013)" in addition to DPIC data.

 

[MarAzul]

It's racist.

Naw.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Actually it isn't.

Edit...

Since 1976


BLACK 304 14.9%
LATINO 134 6.5%
WHITE 1549 76.3%
OTHER 44 2.1%

NOTE: Number of Victims refers to the victims in the underlying murder in cases where an execution has occurred since the restoration of the death penalty in 1976. There are more victims than executions because some cases involve more than one victim.

Race of Victim Figures up to 10/1/2013 from NAACP-LDF "Death Row USA (October 1, 2013)" in addition to DPIC data.

its racist of you to assume he meant racist against black people. maybe he meant racist against whites.

 

[Further]

That's what the courts are for. No person may be deprived of Life without due process.

Convince 12 men/women unanimously (very high standard), and due process is achieved.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

That's a list of 144 people were convicted, sentenced to death and then later acquitted on appeal, have charges dismissed by the prosecution (likely because new evidence made their innocence more plausible), or pardoned because they were believed to be wrongly convicted by someone with pardoning power.

So how many didn't have new evidence or competent attorneys?

I personally have no problem sending a person guilty of a capital crime to death, but actually guilty, meaning not innocent, meaning not by courts, but in actual life they committed the act. Too many cases over the years makes me doubt the results. And since locking them up and throwing away the key is a perfectly viable option that still keeps them away from the general public, I prefer this option just in case some new evidence comes forth.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

its racist of you to assume he meant racist against black people. maybe he meant racist against whites.

Didn't you know that the majority of a population (for instance white people in America) can't experience racism?

Or so they said in my college ethnic studies class.

 

[magnifier661]

Didn't you know that the majority of a population (for instance white people in America) can't experience racism?

Or so they said in my college ethnic studies class.

Are jews considered white? I've seen some very pale ones. I also remember the Irish were very segregated only 100 years ago.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

That's a list of 144 people were convicted, sentenced to death and then later acquitted on appeal, have charges dismissed by the prosecution (likely because new evidence made their innocence more plausible), or pardoned because they were believed to be wrongly convicted by someone with pardoning power.

So how many didn't have new evidence or competent attorneys?

I personally have no problem sending a person guilty of a capital crime to death, but actually guilty, meaning not innocent, meaning not by courts, but in actual life they committed the act. Too many cases over the years makes me doubt the results. And since locking them up and throwing away the key is a perfectly viable option that still keeps them away from the general public, I prefer this option just in case some new evidence comes forth.

Life's a bitch. Due process isn't supposed to be perfect. It's just the best we have. All those challenges overturned are due process, too.

Throw away the key. Doesn't happen.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/05/u...husetts-threaten-dukakis-record-on-crime.html

 

[3RA1N1AC]

goddamn irishmen, stealing all our jobs!

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Are jews considered white? I've seen some very pale ones. I also remember the Irish were very segregated only 100 years ago.

I'd say so. It was terrible sitting through class. A bunch of people being complete racists against whites and justifying it because they are the majority and don't understand racism.

Irish people were treated like shit.

 

[magnifier661]

I'd say so. It was terrible sitting through class. A bunch of people being complete racists against whites and justifying it because they are the majority and don't understand racism.

Irish people were treated like shit.

Well they are all alcoholics.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Well they are all alcoholics.

You would be too if you had to deal with leprechauns

 

[magnifier661]

You would be too if you had to deal with leprechauns

Yeah and eating potatoes all day

 

[3RA1N1AC]

they are also famous for having tiny cocks

 

[RR7]

Actually it isn't.

Edit...

Since 1976


BLACK 304 14.9%
LATINO 134 6.5%
WHITE 1549 76.3%
OTHER 44 2.1%

NOTE: Number of Victims refers to the victims in the underlying murder in cases where an execution has occurred since the restoration of the death penalty in 1976. There are more victims than executions because some cases involve more than one victim.

Race of Victim Figures up to 10/1/2013 from NAACP-LDF "Death Row USA (October 1, 2013)" in addition to DPIC data.

Is that percentage of the victim's race, or the murderer's race?

 

[Denny Crane]

Is that percentage of the victim's race, or the murderer's race?

My bad. It is race of victims.

BLACK 477 34%
LATINO 110 8%
WHITE 774 56%
OTHER 24 2%

 

[3RA1N1AC]

My bad. It is race of victims.

BLACK 477 34%
LATINO 110 8%
WHITE 774 56%
OTHER 24 2%

what are the racial percentages for the population at large? id hazzard a guess that blacks make up less than half of 34%

 

[Denny Crane]

 

[Denny Crane]

what are the racial percentages for the population at large? id hazzard a guess that blacks make up less than half of 34%

What are the racial percentages of those who commit crimes? That's the right question.

The reason why is what we should be addressing.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

What are the racial percentages of those who commit crimes? That's the right question.

this thread is about the death penalty, not sure what all encompassing crime stats have to do with that