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I'd like to know where in Brunswick the victim actually lived and if it's nowhere near where he was killed, I'd ask wtf was he doing there "jogging".

Not everything is racially motivated.

He lived a short jog away, not far at all from the neighborhood he was shot in. He was a former high school football star who loved to run to stay in shape. There was nothing unusual about him running through that neighborhood.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-arrests-black-man-shot-210655414.html

Relatives of a black man gunned down while jogging in southeast Georgia by white men who chased him believing he was a burglar said Thursday they're discouraged by the lack of charges in the case.

Ahmaud Arbery's relatives say the 25-year-old was a victim of "racial violence."

Arbery was killed in Brunswick, a coastal city about midway between Savannah and Jacksonville, Fla., on Feb. 23 as he was running through the quiet neighborhood of Satilla Shores.


The two men who chased down Arbery, identified by police as Brunswick resident Gregory McMichael, 64, and his son Travis McMichael, 34, have not been charged and the investigation is ongoing.

"I'm feeling very discouraged at this point," the victim's mother Wanda Cooper told reporters. "The tragedy happened back in February ... and there still has not been an arrest."

The case has been referred to District Attorney Thomas Durden, based in Hinesville 70 miles away due to concerns over a potential conflict of interest. Gregory McMichael is a retired investigator for the local prosecutor, in Brunswick.

The case was briefly in the hands of DA George Barnhill, based in Waycross, but he recused himself because his son works for prosecutors in Brunswick.

But in a memo from Barnhill to police, the DA said he believes Gregory and Travis McMichael should not be indicted. He said the father and son had "probable cause" to believe the victim might be a burglar and were within their rights to arm themselves and chase him down.

The prosecutor said video footage of the shooting, made by a neighbor, shows Arbery to be the aggressor.

"Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself," according to the memo, reported in the New York Times.

A Glynn County police spokesman declined comment on the probe and referred all questions to Durden, who has not publicly discussed the case and could not be immediately reached on Thursday.

Arbery's family is demanding that the Georgia Bureau of Investigation take over the investigation and pass on their findings to a special prosecutor.

"There are obviously sensitive aspects about this case, anytime there is a victim of ... racial violence," family lawyer Lee Merritt said.

"We believe that any reasonable fact finder will return an indictment for murder against at least Mr. Travis but likely against the two, Mr. Gregory McMichael to be considered an accessory to murder."

The family fears Arbery's slaying will slip through the cracks, as America focuses on the COVID-19 pandemic that's shut down much of the nation's economy, according to Merritt and Cooper.

The older McMichael, 64, first spotted Arbery on foot, "hauling ass" down Satilla Drive, and immediately thought the young man was a burglar who had recently been targeting the neighborhood, according to a Glynn County police report.

McMichal grabbed his .357 Magnum as Travis McMichael took out a shotgun, and they jumped into their truck to give chase, police said.

"'Stop, stop we want to talk to you,'" the elder McMichael told police he shouted at Arbery.

A third man, a neighbor only identified as "Roddy," also joined the chase and jumped into the pair's pickup truck, according to police.

After the men eventually caught up with Arbery, there was a fatal confrontation.

"Michael stated (that) the unidentified male began to violently attack Travis and the two men then started fighting over the shotgun at which point Travis fired a shot and then a second later there was a second shot,” according to the police report.

The report didn't specifically say if Arbery was armed. It made no mention of any weapon being found on his body.

Merritt said the victim was not armed.

"Michael stated he rolled the man over to see if the male had a weapon," according to the police report.

Gregory McMichael told police he believed he had spotted the victim in his neighborhood days earlier — and that he had "stuck his hand down his pants which led them to believe the male was armed," according to the police report.

The father and son could not be reached for comment Thursday at several publicly listed telephone numbers for the pair.

The victim was a former high school football player and was a health buff who jogged regularly, his family said.

"I knew that at some point he went to that subdivision" as a jogger, Cooper said. "As a mother, I never worried about him jogging or just running as long as he stayed within the streets. I mean, no one should bother him. "

Authorities have not linked Arbery to the burglaries in the neighborhood cited by Gregory McMichael. Merritt conceded that Arbery might have gone through the frame of a house under construction in the neighborhood -- something that isn't a crime, and definitely didn't justify the deadly shooting, he said.

"That dwelling did not have doors or windows," he said. "Under the law in the state of Georgia, in order to commit a crime by entering someone's dwelling, you have to break a seal, break a door, forcibly enter something that is otherwise locked."
Jesus Christ!
 
I'd like to know where in Brunswick the victim actually lived and if it's nowhere near where he was killed, I'd ask wtf was he doing there "jogging".

Not everything is racially motivated.
I use to drive ten miles out of my way to jog.
 
It's racially motivated. If it was a white guy running down the street they wouldn't have chased him. Three armed white men chased down an unarmed black man who they had no proof had committed any crime, and shot him dead. They racially profiled him. They chased him down and shot him. Three against one...that's a posse. The only thing that has changed is the rope.

Again, you don't know that... every time a black man is killed by a white man, it's not a racial thing. Just because it appears racially motivated to you, doesn't men it necessarily was. There was supposedly a struggle for the shotgun.
And as I've already pointed out, none of us know the whole story and/or have all the facts yet and until we do, I for one, won't prejudge.
 
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“Yeah officer, that black man hanging there was an innocent bystander. He saw the noose hanging from the tree limb, so he climbed up and put his head in it out of curiosity. We tried to stop him but he fought us. Not our fault he slipped and hung himself in the struggle.” White American privilege........innocent until (the unlikely) event you’re proven guilty....
 
If you were in an area that had been targetted with a lot of burglaries and saw someone running down the street wouldn't you be at least be curious? I'm not defending what they did, they belong in jail. I think we just don't know, sure we can say there is a chance maybe a good chance it was. We can definitely say that the "system" is screwed up that they have moved so slow to do anything to the guys who killed the man. Just not sure how any of the evidence you or the article provided says that those guys did that simply because he was black. I think common sense says, it was probably that racism was a motivating factor, but we don't really know.

I have a black grandson and if he is jogging in a neighborhood whether he lives there or not and 3 guys start chasing him in a vehicle with guns and yelling at him and then gun him down, my last act on this earth would be to see them buried. Fuck that we don't know shit as there is a young black kid that is dead now and only guilty of jogging. If they even suspected anything call 911 and let the authorities deal with it. These guys need to rot in prison.
 
Again, you don't know that... every time a black man is killed by a white man, it's not a racial thing. Just because it appears racially motivated to you, doesn't men it necessarily was. There was supposedly a struggle for the shotgun.
And as I've already pointed out, none of us know the whole story and/or have all the facts yet and until we do, I for one, won't prejudge.

Under what authority were they chasing him? There was no crime that they saw him commit other than being black and jogging. I hope my grandson isn't targeted like that. This sounds like the George Zimmerman shit all over again.
 
I have a black grandson and if he is jogging in a neighborhood whether he lives there or not and 3 guys start chasing him in a vehicle with guns and yelling at him and then gun him down, my last act on this earth would be to see them buried. Fuck that we don't know shit as there is a young black kid that is dead now and only guilty of jogging. If they even suspected anything call 911 and let the authorities deal with it. These guys need to rot in prison.
I said they should be in prison. I said we don't know if race was a factor, it might have been and probably was.
 
I said they should be in prison. I said we don't know if race was a factor, it might have been and probably was.

Common sense says it was because he was black. It has happened way too many times. It's okay to take a stance. Thast's how things get changed for the better.
 
One of the 911 calls was ...there's a black man running down the street.

3 dudes saw a black man running in their neighborhood, and their first thought was obviously a negative one, because they grabbed guns and jumped in their truck to chase him down.
Dont give me the let's not make it about race bullshit.
 
Common sense says it was because he was black. It has happened way too many times. It's okay to take a stance. Thast's how things get changed for the better.
No confirmation bias says it was because he was black, common sense says it probably was but judging motivation of others is pretty close to impossible. Again it probably was racially motivated and the fact the authorities haven't done anything that is racially driven. They should be in jail. I can almost guarantee if it was 3 black guys and a white dead guy the authorities would have locked them up in a heartbeat.
 
One of the 911 calls was ...there's a black man running down the street.

3 dudes saw a black man running in their neighborhood, and their first thought was obviously a negative one, because they grabbed guns and jumped in their truck to chase him down.
Dont give me the let's not make it about race bullshit.
You can make it about whatever you want, I'm not telling you what you can or can't make it about.
 
No confirmation bias says it was because he was black, common sense says it probably was but judging motivation of others is pretty close to impossible. Again it probably was racially motivated and the fact the authorities haven't done anything that is racially driven. They should be in jail. I can almost guarantee if it was 3 black guys and a white dead guy the authorities would have locked them up in a heartbeat.

wait? what? You say no confirmation of racial motivation (did you expect the 3 white guys to say they did it because he was black?) and then say that you can almost guarantee that if it was the opposite the 3 black guys would be in jail. That's racism tbf.
 
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wait? what? You say no confirmation of racial motivation (did you expect the 3 white guys to say they did it becuae he was black?) and then say that you can almost guarantee that if it was the opposite the 3 black guys would be in jail. That's racism tbf.
That's not what I said.
I said confirmation bias says that he was killed by racially motivated white men with guns, that's it's probably the case but you can't prove that. Common sense says it's probable, not absolute.
The system in which the white guys haven't been prosecuted, put in prison, that is racism, and systematic racism.
 
That's not what I said.
I said confirmation bias says that he was killed by racially motivated white men with guns, that's it's probably the case but you can't prove that. Common sense says it's probable, not absolute.
The system in which the white guys haven't been prosecuted, put in prison, that is racism, and systematic racism.

If that's what you meant that's definitely not how it came across as this is what I read

"No confirmation bias says it was because he was black"

am i reading it wrong?
 
If that's what you meant that's definitely not how it came across as this is what I read

"No confirmation bias says it was because he was black"

am i reading it wrong?
All I am saying is we don't "know" their motivation if it was all because he was black that they went after him, or what. We think (at least most of us I see a few who disagree) it was spurned on by racism, and if a white guy was running through their neighborhood they wouldn't have done that. We know that three people chasing down anyone with shotguns is wrong in the first place and that the fact he died because of their actions means that they should be in prison. The fact they are not is due to a system that is racist, that could also be called confirmation bias but we have plenty of evidence to support the claim that when white people are killed by blacks (especially in southern states) the law acts swiftly and often times unjustly.
If you want to say they killed him because he was black, go ahead I am not stopping you or anyone else from making that claim and there is good reason to believe that. There is definitely plenty of historical evidence of racism in the south, but it's a dangerous game to start thinking we're absolutely sure what motivates an individual.
 
All I am saying is we don't "know" their motivation if it was all because he was black that they went after him, or what. We think (at least most of us I see a few who disagree) it was spurned on by racism, and if a white guy was running through their neighborhood they wouldn't have done that. We know that three people chasing down anyone with shotguns is wrong in the first place and that the fact he died because of their actions means that they should be in prison. The fact they are not is due to a system that is racist, that could also be called confirmation bias but we have plenty of evidence to support the claim that when white people are killed by blacks (especially in southern states) the law acts swiftly and often times unjustly.
If you want to say they killed him because he was black, go ahead I am not stopping you or anyone else from making that claim and there is good reason to believe that. There is definitely plenty of historical evidence of racism in the south, but it's a dangerous game to start thinking we're absolutely sure what motivates an individual.

So unless the perp confesses to do it because of racism then no crime can ever be determined to be racist? That's pretty much what you are saying. Let's say I am 99.9% sure it was racially motivated. That way we can leave .1% for the unknown. Logic, history and common sense led me to that conclusion.
 
So unless the perp confesses to do it because of racism then no crime can ever be determined to be racist? That's pretty much what you are saying. Let's say I am 99.9% sure it was racially motivated. That way we can leave .1% for the unknown. Logic, history and common sense led me to that conclusion.
I don't think anyone (except perhaps the one Georgian in the thread) disputes that it's a reasonable conclusion. Just the notion that it's an absolute certainty.
 
So unless the perp confesses to do it because of racism then no crime can ever be determined to be racist? That's pretty much what you are saying. Let's say I am 99.9% sure it was racially motivated. That way we can leave .1% for the unknown. Logic, history and common sense led me to that conclusion.
How much of those individuals history do you know though? How much do you know of what transpired beforehand? One of those guys was in his 60's Would be interesting to know his history. There's a reason why intent is really, really hard to prove in court. I am not trying to justify any of it, they belong in jail, they should've been in jail weeks ago.
 
The idea that there's somehow some justification to the DA not charging them yet is incomprehensible to me. Seeing him running on their street meant they "were within their rights to arm themselves and chase him down" (per the article)? Huh? In what world?!
 
I don't think anyone (except perhaps the one Georgian in the thread) disputes that it's a reasonable conclusion. Just the notion that it's an absolute certainty.

So back in the early days when black men were chased down and shot or hung we don't know for sure if it was racially motivated. We don't know if refusing to let black people use white bathrooms, drink out of water fountains, vote or enter white establishments if it was racially motivated. Gotcha.
 
The idea that there's somehow some justification to the DA not charging them yet is incomprehensible to me. Seeing him running on their street meant they "were within their rights to arm themselves and chase him down" (per the article)? Huh? In what world?!
I agree. Especially to chase him down in a truck, with shotguns. What the heck is that? Then to try to justify it the way he does is some crazy, crazy stuff.
 
So back in the early days when black men were chased down and shot or hung we don't know for sure if it was racially motivated. We don't know if refusing to let black people use white bathrooms, drink out of water fountains, vote or enter white establishments if it was racially motivated. Gotcha.
We know that was racially motivated because they made laws, enacted rules and legislation to hinder one race. What we don't know is that when an individual or individuals, in this case, commit a crime what their motivations were. Those are two different things.
 
Again, you don't know that... every time a black man is killed by a white man, it's not a racial thing. Just because it appears racially motivated to you, doesn't men it necessarily was. There was supposedly a struggle for the shotgun.
And as I've already pointed out, none of us know the whole story and/or have all the facts yet and until we do, I for one, won't prejudge.

Your trying really hard to defend the posse/shooters. Your live in Georgia right? Is that part of why you are defending them. Three armed white guys chased down and shot a black man to death. On the 911 call they said a black man was running down the street. And their first thought was to get their guns and take chase? That is racially motivated in my book.

Even if there was a fight over the shotgun, it doesn't make what these men did right. Maybe the black guy was cornered and was fighting for his life. Stop defending them. They belong in prison.
 
Your trying really hard to defend the posse/shooters. Your live in Georgia right? Is that part of why you are defending them. Three armed white guys chased down and shot a black man to death. On the 911 call they said a black man was running down the street. And their first thought was to get their guns and take chase? That is racially motivated in my book.

Even if there was a fight over the shotgun, it doesn't make what these men did right. Maybe the black guy was cornered and was fighting for his life. Stop defending them. They belong in prison.

You're wrong, CC...I'm not defending them, I'm am however at least willing to admit for about the 3rd time that I don't know the whole story and don't have all the facts, and neither do you. From what I understand, the FBI is investigating but they don't give out info on an ongoing investigation. Like I said, I'll reserve judgment when the dust settles but until then, I won't.

Am I trying to tell you or anyone else not to condemn them...but for me, I follow the innocent until proven guilty group.

And no, the fact that I live in Georgia has nothing to do with it, that's preposterous.

But I will tell you that where I live we have had a rash of thefts/break-ins in the area...law mowers, 4 wheelers, motorcycles, tools, etc., and whenever we see someone we don't walking or riding around our close-knit neighborhood, we eyeball them and sometimes follow them, and no, we don't care what color their skin is, and yes, if I jump in my truck to follow them, I carry a weapon, just in case.
 
You're wrong, CC...I'm not defending them, I'm am however at least willing to admit for about the 3rd time that I don't know the whole story and don't have all the facts, and neither do you. From what I understand, the FBI is investigating but they don't give out info on an ongoing investigation. Like I said, I'll reserve judgment when the dust settles but until then, I won't.

Am I trying to tell you or anyone else not to condemn them...but for me, I follow the innocent until proven guilty group.

And no, the fact that I live in Georgia has nothing to do with it, that's preposterous.

But I will tell you that where I live we have had a rash of thefts/break-ins in the area...law mowers, 4 wheelers, motorcycles, tools, etc., and whenever we see someone we don't walking or riding around our close-knit neighborhood, we eyeball them and sometimes follow them, and no, we don't care what color their skin is, and yes, if I jump in my truck to follow them, I carry a weapon, just in case.

We know enough of the story to know they are guilty, racial motivation or not. They got their guns and chased down and unarmed man and shot and killed him. Just because Georgia allows them to open carry doesn't allow them to be vigilantes or form posses to chase after unarmed individuals of which they have no proof committed any crime. They belong in prison.
 
We know enough of the story to know they are guilty, racial motivation or not. They got their guns and chased down and unarmed man and shot and killed him. Just because Georgia allows them to open carry doesn't allow them to be vigilantes or form posses to chase after unarmed individuals of which they have no proof committed any crime. They belong in prison.

Well, you have your way to look at things like this, and I have mine.
 
The fact that it was a black man jogging in a rural area has me really suspicious of his motives..

completely kidding
 

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