Tim Thomas/Trevor Ariza debate (Split Thread - Sixers game)
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah of course its important but a better form doesnt mean that he will automatically shooter better if you dont know if his free throw problems is a mental thing or not.
Anthony Mason had one of the worst forms I ever seen yet he always seem to shot 70% or better becuase he always had that type of confidence in himself at the line even when people where trying to get him to change his free throw form. My point is if Ariza doesnt have the confidence in his ablities at the line then a change in free throw form will have little effect.
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Yes, but better form often results in better performance. That is the case 80% of the time, and to hit the point of Ariza' confidence-he's looked rather confident on the floor. Free throws have a strong emotional and mental element to that as well, I know. But still, form is the most important thing. And when one shoots poorly with bad form, and then he gets a better form, generally his performance improves.
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Honestly, how do you know his jumpshot has improved that much nobody plays him to take alot of jumpshots. When teams start forcing him to take the jumper and he consistently makes the perimeter J, then you can say he dramatically improved. I dont know if you watch Mike & the Mad dog or not but they had a few callers calling in about this same subject a couple days ago. And I think it was said best during that show "lets discuss this mid-season when teams actually know who Ariza is & starts attacking his weakness".
The nBa is all about taking away a players strenght, most coaches say players in the league cant be stopped but lets try to take away their strenghts and make them beat using their weakness, if they do then you tip you cap. No coach has yet to take that try off approach when defending
Ariza because they dont know much about him. But once we hit about 20-30 games deep and the reports start circulating the league about Ariza's strenghts & weakness.And coaches start game planing for him as well as the players then we will see, how good this kid is..</div>
I have said many times that I got some tapes of him and his shot selection has improved as has his form. Yet again, form is the most important element of a good shooter. I know that no one has taken two steps back and let him toss jumpers, all I'm saying is that later on, his J will have developed enogh for him to pose a mid-range/perimeter threat.
^Either way, TT still can't shoot from outside anymore, he's nearly completely lost any 'touch' that he once had. TT is such a poor scorer now that defense on him is either non existent or oddly curved to his left side. TT's shot has slowed down as well, and he brings with him absolutely no intimidation and poses as no real threat to defenders.
Anthony Mason had one of the worst forms I ever seen yet he always seem to shot 70% or better becuase he always had that type of confidence in himself at the line even when people where trying to get him to change his free throw form. My point is if Ariza doesnt have the confidence in his ablities at the line then a change in free throw form will have little effect.
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Yes, but better form often results in better performance. That is the case 80% of the time, and to hit the point of Ariza' confidence-he's looked rather confident on the floor. Free throws have a strong emotional and mental element to that as well, I know. But still, form is the most important thing. And when one shoots poorly with bad form, and then he gets a better form, generally his performance improves.
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Honestly, how do you know his jumpshot has improved that much nobody plays him to take alot of jumpshots. When teams start forcing him to take the jumper and he consistently makes the perimeter J, then you can say he dramatically improved. I dont know if you watch Mike & the Mad dog or not but they had a few callers calling in about this same subject a couple days ago. And I think it was said best during that show "lets discuss this mid-season when teams actually know who Ariza is & starts attacking his weakness".
The nBa is all about taking away a players strenght, most coaches say players in the league cant be stopped but lets try to take away their strenghts and make them beat using their weakness, if they do then you tip you cap. No coach has yet to take that try off approach when defending
Ariza because they dont know much about him. But once we hit about 20-30 games deep and the reports start circulating the league about Ariza's strenghts & weakness.And coaches start game planing for him as well as the players then we will see, how good this kid is..</div>
I have said many times that I got some tapes of him and his shot selection has improved as has his form. Yet again, form is the most important element of a good shooter. I know that no one has taken two steps back and let him toss jumpers, all I'm saying is that later on, his J will have developed enogh for him to pose a mid-range/perimeter threat.
^Either way, TT still can't shoot from outside anymore, he's nearly completely lost any 'touch' that he once had. TT is such a poor scorer now that defense on him is either non existent or oddly curved to his left side. TT's shot has slowed down as well, and he brings with him absolutely no intimidation and poses as no real threat to defenders.
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BobbyEscobar:</div><div class="quote_post">I think TT has found his "Lost Touch"</div>
Yeah, for one game. He has one of those nights, and then has 5 or 6 drek nights. That's the usual.
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He was 6-16 shooting!
Yeah, for one game. He has one of those nights, and then has 5 or 6 drek nights. That's the usual.
'Found his lost touch' -
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I didnt see the game vs the Clippers live but I seen a replay this mourning. And I was wondering if anybody seen how the Clippers shifted into the zone specificly when Ariza came into the game during the 2nd quarter. They shifted the zone forcing Ariza to be a shooter and 2 straight times he missed the jumpshot, once on the left side, once on the right side. Iam not specific about the time on the game clock but if someone has a tape of the game, you can fastforward it to about 9:00 mark in the 2nd quarter and start watching from there you will see what Iam talking about.
My point is this is just the start of how teams are going to start game planing different for the Knicks when Ariza comes into the game, as teams start to learn more about Ariza.
My point is this is just the start of how teams are going to start game planing different for the Knicks when Ariza comes into the game, as teams start to learn more about Ariza.
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, for one game. He has one of those nights, and then has 5 or 6 drek nights. That's the usual.
'Found his lost touch' -
He was 6-16 shooting!</div>
Actually he was 6-8 shooting in just 23 minutes of play. And he finished with 15 points. I found out from Frazier and the other guy commentating that TT's wife, his mother and sister are all very ill. That's the main reason why he has been struggling so badly so far. The whole team was encouraging him and trying to comfort him. This gave him the neccessary confidence for the game last night. Say what you want to say about him but he will give you 13 points a game. He was averaging like 6 points prior to his solid performance v.s. LA. People were saying the same thing about Sweetney's early career performance. They thought that he was not good enough and was another wasted lottery pick. Little did they know that his father had just recently died and he was having a hard time focusing on the games. I expect this game to give TT the confidence to allow him to have a good game tonight at Indiana.
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Actually he was 6-8 shooting in just 23 minutes of play. And he finished with 15 points. I found out from Frazier and the other guy commentating that TT's wife, his mother and sister are all very ill. That's the main reason why he has been struggling so badly so far. The whole team was encouraging him and trying to comfort him. This gave him the neccessary confidence for the game last night. Say what you want to say about him but he will give you 13 points a game. He was averaging like 6 points prior to his solid performance v.s. LA. People were saying the same thing about Sweetney's early career performance. They thought that he was not good enough and was another wasted lottery pick. Little did they know that his father had just recently died and he was having a hard time focusing on the games. I expect this game to give TT the confidence to allow him to have a good game tonight at Indiana.
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, for one game. He has one of those nights, and then has 5 or 6 drek nights. That's the usual.
'Found his lost touch' -
He was 6-16 shooting!</div>
What game were you watching?
And has anyone seen Livingston? He looks like the real deal.
'Found his lost touch' -
What game were you watching?
And has anyone seen Livingston? He looks like the real deal.
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BobbyEscobar:</div><div class="quote_post">What game were you watching?
And has anyone seen Livingston? He looks like the real deal.</div>
My bad. I meant to say:" Usually he does that on 6-16 shooting"
Yeah. last night was his 'big' night.
And has anyone seen Livingston? He looks like the real deal.</div>
My bad. I meant to say:" Usually he does that on 6-16 shooting"
Yeah. last night was his 'big' night.
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Just a quick update for those who are pro-TT.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketba...4p-218093c.html
What a bum. And you guys [mrj18, Henacy] still think he should start?!
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketba...4p-218093c.html
What a bum. And you guys [mrj18, Henacy] still think he should start?!
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Ariza is a spark off the bench which is the main reason why I don't want him to start. TT really won't do that off the bench. TT will drop 20 10 5 tommorow vs. the Cavs. I'm just kidding but, I do wish he would provide us with that productivity at the SF spot. He always gave double digits in scoring. His production is valuable to us and for him to be a non-factor in many games hurts in the long run.
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">Ariza is a spark off the bench which is the main reason why I don't want him to start. TT really won't do that off the bench. TT will drop 20 10 5 tommorow vs. the Cavs. I'm just kidding but, I do wish he would provide us with that productivity at the SF spot. He always gave double digits in scoring. His production is valuable to us and for him to be a non-factor in many games hurts in the long run.</div>
Well of course if he's a non-factor it'll hurt us! Were playing 4 on 5 on both sides of the court. He's taking up a spot on the floor and doing nothing. He's worse than a non-factor because he keeps shooting the ball and he keeps missing. His production does mean something right now but that will all change when Houston returns. We wont need him anymore and we could still have Ariza coming off the bench providing a spark we pull TT out of the starting line up and start Houston at small forward. Or we could have Houston start at shooting guard, start Ariza and have Crawford be our explosive sixth man. Either way TT wont be needed when we have Houston back.
Well of course if he's a non-factor it'll hurt us! Were playing 4 on 5 on both sides of the court. He's taking up a spot on the floor and doing nothing. He's worse than a non-factor because he keeps shooting the ball and he keeps missing. His production does mean something right now but that will all change when Houston returns. We wont need him anymore and we could still have Ariza coming off the bench providing a spark we pull TT out of the starting line up and start Houston at small forward. Or we could have Houston start at shooting guard, start Ariza and have Crawford be our explosive sixth man. Either way TT wont be needed when we have Houston back.
