Time to discuss Kanter vs Nurk

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the more is see from Enes the more i tend to think that he should be our starting Center in the future. Nurk has more Talent, but Enes has also strengths as well

My Pro Enes arguments:

We know exactly what we will get from him night in night out:

-Scoring, rebounds, double doubles, hustle and Heart, good chemistry with Dame,

- his defense isn't as bad as we thought in Portland

- we made the WCF with him

- he's available and with Nurk you never know

My arguments against Nurk:

- bad finnishing at the rim

- our defense isn't much better with him

- lazy effort on many nights

- massive injury prone

- we have not won one single playoff series with him as the starting Center

Who knows, maybe i will look stupid and Nurk makes me eat shit in the future (hopefully he does because that means the Blazers are in good shape!)
 
Nurk's strength is getting the ball outside and finding cutters with assists, wait for him to develop this chemistry with Derek Jones Junior we'll have a dunk fest. Also he has his signature statue-of-liberty move that he perfected where he takes the ball inside with the ball in his right hand above his head, a thing of beauty.
 
the more is see from Enes the more i tend to think that he should be our starting Center in the future. Nurk has more Talent, but Enes has also strengths as well

My Pro Enes arguments:

We know exactly what we will get from him night in night out:

-Scoring, rebounds, double doubles, hustle and Heart, good chemistry with Dame,

- his defense isn't as bad as we thought in Portland

- we made the WCF with him

- he's available and with Nurk you never know

My arguments against Nurk:

- bad finnishing at the rim

- our defense isn't much better with him

- lazy effort on many nights

- massive injury prone

- we have not won one single playoff series with him as the starting Center

Who knows, maybe i will look stupid and Nurk makes me eat shit in the future (hopefully he does because that means the Blazers are in good shape!)
Nurk could improve his touch around the rim and learn to use head fakes. Enes does both reasonably well. Nurk is a much better rim protector and is a very good passing center.
Kanter is willing to come off the bench and do whatever is asked, Im not sure Nurk would be happy being a non starter.
I dont see him not starting when he returns.
 
Nurk could improve his touch around the rim and learn to use head fakes. Enes does both reasonably well. Nurk is a much better rim protector and is a very good passing center.
Kanter is willing to come off the bench and do whatever is asked, Im not sure Nurk would be happy being a non starter.
I dont see him not starting when he returns.
We already watched a game this season where Nurk was not effective and Kanter was. Stotts played Kanter down the stretch. Nobody seemed to have a problem with that. Nurk will have his games where he goes for 20-20. Those will be his nights. Basketball is a team sport. Teams that can adjust win games in the playoffs.
 
Nurk could improve his touch around the rim and learn to use head fakes. Enes does both reasonably well. Nurk is a much better rim protector and is a very good passing center.
Kanter is willing to come off the bench and do whatever is asked, Im not sure Nurk would be happy being a non starter.
I dont see him not starting when he returns.

He needs to prove he is healthy first IMO. I would not start him immediatley. The longer he is out the more chemistry Kanter is developing with the other starters. If they are playing poorly before Nurk gets back then sure there is nothing to lose by starting him. But if they are playing well I would not break that unit up.

Hell, I would even bring CJ back off the bench if this unit is playing well. The difference though was CJ was playing well when he got hurt. Nurk was not. Nurk needs a full offseason IMO where he is completely healthy and can get back to excellent shape. Nurk did not impress me earlier in the season. If he is upset over being a non-starter too bad. But I don't think he would be considering the circumstances.
 
If Nurk just dunked the fucking ball instead of flipping up weird shots in the paint, he'd be a monster on offense. I don't know if anyone Nurk's size can be a great defender in the NBA today just due to the fact that so many teams have big men that can shoot the three.

Kanter is a phenomenal rebounder, he hustles and is a better finisher than Nurk. Kanter is not much better than Nurk is on perimeter D and he's not in Nurk's league when it comes to protecting the paint.

I would actually choose neither as our starter. I like Kanter as a backup. Like I was saying Nurk is a bit antiquated on defense unless you have a great perimeter defense around him and we don't, so I'd love to trade him in a deal that would get us a more mobile big. That being said, I'd like to see a lot of moves made to make the team more complementary for Dame.
 
If Nurk just dunked the fucking ball instead of flipping up weird shots in the paint, he'd be a monster on offense. I don't know if anyone Nurk's size can be a great defender in the NBA today just due to the fact that so many teams have big men that can shoot the three.

Kanter is a phenomenal rebounder, he hustles and is a better finisher than Nurk. Kanter is not much better than Nurk is on perimeter D and he's not in Nurk's league when it comes to protecting the paint.

I would actually choose neither as our starter. I like Kanter as a backup. Like I was saying Nurk is a bit antiquated on defense unless you have a great perimeter defense around him and we don't, so I'd love to trade him in a deal that would get us a more mobile big. That being said, I'd like to see a lot of moves made to make the team more complementary for Dame.
In the West you better have a big center to match up against Rudy, Ayton & Joker. Id like a more mobile center but guys like Capella arent any better than Nurk or Kanter.
 
In the West you better have a big center to match up against Rudy, Ayton & Joker. Id like a more mobile center but guys like Capella arent any better than Nurk or Kanter.

Yep I have always thought you need two types of centers. A wide-body C who can bang underneath and a mobile C who can cover other bigs on the perimeter. (Same with PFs as well)
 
No it isn't.
When Nurk gets healthy he will start.

At this point I think Kanter should remain the starter. He’s earned it and he’s part of the chemistry that is forming. Nurkic will only slow down the team (this season) and he’d be more of a help on the second unit with Carmelo, Hood and Ant.
 
At this point I think Kanter should remain the starter. He’s earned it and he’s part of the chemistry that is forming. Nurkic will only slow down the team (this season) and he’d be more of a help on the second unit with Carmelo, Hood and Ant.
I don't think Stotts would ever let a guy lose his starting spot to injury. Stotts doesn't talk about people having earned things in present tense, he only talks about it in past tense.

I also don't buy into the term "second unit" because if you want Nurk playing with Melo, Hoodie and Ant, that doesn't mean that Nurk can't start. You just make sure they play together when the bench players are in the game.

For the record, if I was the coach I would only start Nurk if he came back in fantastic shape but if I were the coach I would demand that he dunks down low... no more weak flip up shit.
 
Nurk’s D, passing, and rolling is better than Kanter. He will start when he returns. Kanter will be best backup big in NBA. I think we’re the only team that had 3 players in double figures off the bench when we’re healthy.
 
I think they make a dominant center pair. I think you start Nurk because Enes will produce in either role. You play them both equal minutes and which ever one is producing finishes the game.
 
Seeing some photos with Nurk in a suit on the bench you can tell Enes and Jusuf are close...they talk alot and this is a good thing...we keep both our big guys
 
I don't know if it matters to either guy, esp Enes, if he starts or not. Both play about 24 minutes, and realistically that's about the best for both.

Now whether or not the TEAM plays better with Enes starting Vs Nurk starting, I think another question to ponder would be who plays better with the bench. My gut says Enes would be able to play better with the bench players, especially now that 2 of those bench players (Trent and Simons) have matured enough to be effective without Dame or CJ holding their hands.
 
At this point I think Kanter should remain the starter. He’s earned it and he’s part of the chemistry that is forming. Nurkic will only slow down the team (this season) and he’d be more of a help on the second unit with Carmelo, Hood and Ant.

You could take that a step further and keep GTJ in the starting lineup when CJ returns and have a second unit of Nurk, CJ, Ant, Melo and Hood. That would be a formidable 2nd unit.
 
theres no discussion when it comes to nurk and kanter and quite frankly, its beyond me how can anyone think kanter is better than nurk, an absolute bollocks

kanter was a starter in 2 of his 11 seasons, one of those was with the knicks (does that need to be explained lol) and the other was with the jazz until gobert emerged as a starter, in the remaining 9 seasons he was a backup and you can say one coach has no clue what hes doing, but when multiple coaches do the same, it put things into perspective, doesnt it

kanter, just like whiteside, puts up good numbers (both better than nurks), but numbers arent everything, its impact that matters and to prove it, ill give you two examples: kanter couldnt win a starting job over theiss with the celtics (i assume brad stevens knew what he was doing, dont you) and then whiteside couldnt win a starting job over holmes and both kanter and whiteside put up better numbers than theiss and holmes

as stotts said few days ago, nurk is our defensive anchor, which he is, but you cant have four players that dont play defense and then expect nurk to defend, it doesnt work like that, its team effort, team needs to make it easier for nurk in order for him to make a difference and i remember when the blazers had a good defense with aminu and harkless, but that was one season and then, even with them, we sucked again, which screams "effort"

tu put things into perspective, nurk needs help from covington and jones jr (unfortunately collins is out), but dame and cj mccollum need to make an effort too, we all know they cant really defend, but if they put an effort, it just might help a bit... what weve been seeing is opponents having a freeway to the basket and then we expect nurk to make miracles, but it doesnt work like that

do you remember how good was nurk (it doesnt seem so) before the injury, he was well on his way to becoming an all-star level player and he was considered to be top 5 or just outside of top 5 center in the league (kanter was never considered to be this good), but after the injury, it passed 16 months before he played a game and you should know how a long lay-off can affect a player and that it requires time to get back on track (see paul george)

for the first part of the bubble, nurk looked really great, like the injury didnt happened, but that might be cause he was playing with the adrenaline, just excited to be back playing bball again, but in the second part of the bubble, he wasnt as good and he started looking tired etc, which is understandable after not playing for 16 months

when it comes to this season, what weve been seeing from nurk before the wrist injury was not good at all and that was due to him being out of shape and not being focused on bball, which was due to him dealing with familly issue and thats what nurk himself said and you know how familly issues can affect people, not all react the same... hopefully nurk comes back in better mental state and obviously better shape

im hopefull that nurk will get back on track and become an all-star level player cause he showed he has talent to become one and i wont give up on him, which some posters seem to have already done, which is shameful...

ps i forgot to say that kanter was and is goof for us and he has no problem being a backup, he has a good relationship with nurk (they go to the mosque together) and hopefully we resign him
 
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I don’t know if this was said, but Nurk is also a great screener which helps get the offense flowing. Nurk does almost everything well except finish around the rim but that’s pretty damn important. He needs to forget about the damn 3 point shot and focus on that. In the end it’s nice having two good centers with different skill sets. No reason to pit them against each other
 
He needs to forget about the damn 3 point
Totally disagree with this. The thing that makes AD and Embiid tough to guard is the 3 point threat. Neither had that shot coming into the league. He needs to continue to work on it.
I do agree however he needs to also work on finishing around the rim. Why not both?
 
Totally disagree with this. The thing that makes AD and Embiid tough to guard is the 3 point threat. Neither had that shot coming into the league. He needs to continue to work on it.
I do agree however he needs to also work on finishing around the rim. Why not both?
If Nurk struggles to finnish at the rim, what makes you think he will become a decent 3point shooter?
 

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