Time to hit the reset button

[CupWizier]

The Clippers weren't trying to win during the Donald Sterling years. He regularly drafted quality players and then let them walk when their cheap rookie deals ended. The Clips are not a good example of a team that tanked for years.

The Wolves have a much brighter future than we do. Towns is only 22. Wiggins is only 23. Butler is only 28. Their core is much more well rounded and talented than ours.

The Sixers have three generational talents. Arguably the best center in the league in Embiid, the next LeBron in Simmons, and Fultz could be something really special as well. They have a better future than we do.

Tanking only works if you have a bright front office, which the Kings do not. Their ownership is fucking horrible.

and how long has it taken those teams to get to that level and then there is a bit of luck involved in getting those high picks and having them turn out to be star players. If you want to take out the Clippers fine, then put the Kings in there. How well has it worked out for them?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Cleveland lands the #1 pick and offers it for Dame....

What say you?

 

[dviss1]

I'm higher on the roster than most people here. I think we need a new coach that values ball movement as well as using ball movement to get the best shot possible (which is usually an interior shot, not a jumpshot). A coach that uses Dame and C.J. off the ball. A coach that has an offensive system that results with sets containing some to the rim player movement.. A coach that has us run in transition as well as switch up defensive schemes from time to time to try to force turnovers to do so as well as keep offenses off balance and not knowing what to expect.

This.

 

[dviss1]

Fire Stotts

Fire Olshey

Trade CJ

Trade Aminu

Let Napier Go

Let Layman Go

Burn Turners and Meyers contracts

Sign players that can play

You're on one lately bro.... Do you need to hit this? You know it's April 20th.

 

[Lanny]

You didn't directly. I'm assuming then that you would be okay with four years of first round exits?

Why would you assume something naive as that?

 

[HailBlazers]

Cleveland lands the #1 pick and offers it for Dame....

What say you?

What else are they offering?

 

[dviss1]

What else are they offering?

Anything less than LeBron would be uncivilized.

 

[CupWizier]

I just wanted to comment on this, because I think some people make too much out of it. Our team's average age means very little, and is skewed young because we lack any real veteran presence coupled with a slew of young-but-low-ceiling players (Papa, Wade, Biggie, Jake). Our rotation players have the following ages & years of experience

• Dame: 27, 6
• CJ: 26, 5
• Harkless: 24, 6
• Aminu: 27, 8
• Nurk: 23, 4
• Turner: 29, 8
• Ed: 28, 8
• Pat: 25, 3
• Collins: 20, 1

It's really only Collins and Nurk that are young. Harkless is on the cusp, but his years in the league kind of erase the idea that he's as young as his age would indicate. We lack anyone over 30, which is what gives us the appearance of being a young team. But does anyone really think we're a younger team than PHI? By average age we are, but by core players we most certainly are not.

Davis and Turner are the 2 oldest players and they are 28 and 29 with 8 players 25 or younger. That's a young team.

 

[Cippy91]

Controversial opinion probably but let Nurk walk. Honestly. Put the trust in Zach collins and get a stretch 4. Trade CJ. Somehow get rid of Turner and Meyers contracts.

 

[BonesJones]

Cleveland lands the #1 pick and offers it for Dame....

What say you?

No.

 

[BonesJones]

Controversial opinion probably but let Nurk walk. Honestly. Put the trust in Zach collins and get a stretch 4. Trade CJ. Somehow get rid of Turner and Meyers contracts.

No. You don't let a guy walk who, over the 2nd half of the season, averaged 21 and 12 per 36 on 55% shooting with great rim protection.

Zach Collins is our stretch 4. If anything, trade Nurkic down the road. Letting him walk would be dumb.

 

[BonesJones]

Davis and Turner our the 2 oldest players and they are 28 and 29 with 8 players 25 or younger. That's a young team.

Only 2 of those players will improve enough to make the team better.

 

[JoshuaHall]

....unless Neil makes a spectacular trade to land this team a legit difference maker.

CJ/Dame, with the roster as constructed, have hit their ceiling.

I think the first move has to be ousting Neil Olshey, not Stotts.

Ladies, what say you?

Stotts and Olshey both can kick rocks as far as I’m concerned.

Also, I’d have to highly consider attaching contracts to CJ or seeing how far up in the draft we could move.

I think Collins is the future at the 5, but might have to match on Nurkic just to trade him for actual value.
I’d hire Kim Hughes or an established Big man coach. Collins needs it and so does Nurk.

Alternatively, I’d see if we could reverse Jermaine O’Neil this sell high and trade Zach Collins/CJ + Whatever else for Doncic, Porter, or Mikal Bridges (for something of lesser value).

 

[BonesJones]

POR Gets: 9, 13, W.Johnson,
NYK Gets: 12, Harkless, Leonard, Rivers
LAC Gets: CJ McCollum,

 

[Nikolokolus]

Stotts and Olshey both can kick rocks as far as I’m concerned.

Also, I’d have to highly consider attaching contracts to CJ or seeing how far up in the draft we could move.

I think Collins is the future at the 5, but might have to match on Nurkic just to trade him for actual value.
I’d hire Kim Hughes or an established Big man coach. Collins needs it and so does Nurk.

Alternatively, I’d see if we could reverse Jermaine O’Neil this sell high and trade Zach Collins/CJ + Whatever else for Doncic, Porter, or Mikal Bridges (for something of lesser value).

It's outside the box. That's a start.

 

[riverman]

I hit the reset button every morning...double espresso and a water back does the trick

 

[Labinot41]

No. You don't let a guy walk who, over the 2nd half of the season, averaged 21 and 12 per 36 on 55% shooting with great rim protection.

Zach Collins is our stretch 4. If anything, trade Nurkic down the road. Letting him walk would be dumb.

Nurkic is almost unplayable in todays Playoffs.

 

[HailBlazers]

I think Collins is the future at the 5, but might have to match on Nurkic just to trade him for actual value.
I’d hire Kim Hughes or an established Big man coach. Collins needs it and so does Nurk.

Alternatively, I’d see if we could reverse Jermaine O’Neil this sell high and trade Zach Collins/CJ + Whatever else for Doncic, Porter, or Mikal Bridges (for something of lesser value).

Nurk would gain the most from a big man coach. Collins is already a natural. Nurks the #1 reason we're not beating the Pels. If he was beasting in the post and on D it would open up everything for everyone else.

 

[tykendo]

Cleveland lands the #1 pick and offers it for Dame....

What say you?

"F" that. There is no guaranty any draft pick will be special. One thing I do know , Dame IS special, and young. He's still developing his game. The Pels are bringing the kitchen sink at him. Sure, other teams will try to do the same thing, but it doesn't mean they have the personnel to do it. I think the development of Nurkic and Collins, with added help through trades will help continue the path.

 

[tykendo]

Nurkic is almost unplayable in todays Playoffs.

That's simply not true. Davis is a special talent, but Nurk has been hampered by a coach that won't play him. You can't play the second best player on the team only 17.5 minutes a game. That's on Stotts.

 

[tykendo]

Dame has five years of prime left IMO.

I'd say 8 years. Todays athletes are in way better shape than yester years. Barring a serious injury, he will be able to stay an elite player much longer.

 

[tykendo]

A trade like: CJ/Harkless/Swanigan & a 1st rounder to SA for Leonard/Gasol would be a step in the right direction for this team. It's helps the Blazers and helps the Spurs with their aging team. It works in the Machine. Now I think this would be enticing for the Spurs, but if you don't agree, then it means CJ's value is overrated.

 

[AFully22]

That's simply not true. Davis is a special talent, but Nurk has been hampered by a coach that won't play him. You can't play the second best player on the team only 17.5 minutes a game. That's on Stotts.

Davis is a special talent, but there is a lot of great small ball lineups in the Western Conference that would all exploit Nurk like he was against New Orleans.

Minnesota, Golden State, and Houston could all use lineups to take Nurk out of a series if they want and if you somehow manage to not face one those teams there will be one in Eastern Conference waiting in the finals. That’s a real issue you have to consider with signing Nurk long term. Don’t think you should just let him walk either though, if possible.

 

[tykendo]

Davis is a special talent, but there is a lot of great small ball lineups in the Western Conference that would all exploit Nurk like he was against New Orleans.

Minnesota, Golden State, and Houston could all use lineups to take Nurk out of a series if they want and if you somehow manage to not face one those teams there will be one in Eastern Conference waiting in the finals. That’s a real issue you have to consider with signing Nurk long term. Don’t think you should just let him walk either though, if possible.

Nurk ate Capella for lunch in the last meeting. He's had success against Golden State too.

 

[AFully22]

Nurk ate Capella for lunch in the last meeting. He's had success against Golden State too.

Nurk vs Capela, Towns, or Draymond in the post, with his consistency, isn’t going to win you a playoff series if that means they can solely focus on shutting down Dame and CJ. Especially once they find ways to exploit him when their on offense. We just got a little taste of that vs New Orleans.

 

[tykendo]

Nurkic is a developing talent. What you see right now, doesn't mean that's it going forward. Funny how other teams in the League can be young and developing , and have a bright future, but when it concerns Portland's young and developing roster, " they're done, no future, desperate times, break it up". It's a double standard. Does there need to be tweaks, and additions, YES! But the future is bright.

 

[AFully22]

Nurkic is a developing talent. What you see right now, doesn't mean that's it going forward. Funny how other teams in the League can be young and developing , and have a bright future, but when it concerns Portland's young and developing roster, " they're done, no future, desperate times, break it up". It's a double standard. Does there need to be tweaks, and additions, YES! But the future is bright.

I like Nurk and don’t doubt that he will develop his skill set but to what level is the question and can that overweight the things that won’t change with his body style like quickness and ability to guard on the perimeter. If you think his potential outweighs those things then you plan the roster with him in mind at that starting spot. But if you don’t feel like locking up potentially long term big money to a guy who you feel might be taken out of playoff series you may hesitate.

There’s plenty of examples of teams being on the wrong side of inovation throughout sports. I question if now, with the team where it is, is the best time to go against the trends.

 

[tykendo]

I like Nurk and don’t doubt that he will develop his skill set but to what level is the question and can that overweight the things that won’t change with his body style like quickness and ability to guard on the perimeter. If you think his potential outweighs those things then you plan the roster with him in mind at that starting spot. But if you don’t feel like locking up potentially long term big money to a guy who you feel might be taken out of playoff series you may hesitate.

There’s plenty of examples of teams being on the wrong side of inovation throughout sports. I question if now, with the team where it is, is the best time to go against the trends.

That's fair. I just know that Nurk is fairly new to the game. He didn't play basketball at a young age. It came later. But with good coaching, and desire to get better, he will IMO. Nurk is an emotional dude. That's why he says things that piss people off(Denver list him as public enemy#1). He wears it on his sleeve. As he matures with Dame at his side, I have no doubt that he will become an imposing threat to other teams going forward. I don't have the same feeling for some others on the team as far as high ceiling goes. Dame, Nurk, and Zach have the highest ceilings to me. That's why I preach that the Blazers MUST re-sign Jusaf.

 

[AFully22]

That's fair. I just know that Nurk is fairly new to the game. He didn't play basketball at a young age. It came later. But with good coaching, and desire to get better, he will IMO. Nurk is an emotional dude. That's why he says things that piss people off(Denver list him as public enemy#1). He wears it on his sleeve. As he matures with Dame at his side, I have no doubt that he will become an imposing threat to other teams going forward. I don't have the same feeling for some others on the team as far as high ceiling goes. Dame, Nurk, and Zach have the highest ceilings to me. That's why I preach that the Blazers MUST re-sign Jusaf.

I get that too. And I’m not even sure which decision I would make. I just think it’s a bit more of a question then some others.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Cleveland lands the #1 pick and offers it for Dame....

What say you?

Ayton? What could go wrong.....