To all of you climate change deniers

[MarAzul]

There's this energy called electricity. You can power things with it you know?

Fuck!
I was afraid you would say something like this.

 

[noknobs]

Well, I doubt it. The cycle has been going on for millions of years, the difference is we are here this time. Did we cause it? I doubt it and here is why.

To all of you climate change deniers

 

[MarAzul]

To all of you climate change deniers

Doubt and deny are not synonyms.

 

[MarAzul]

Well, I doubt it. The cycle has been going on for millions of years, the difference is we are here this time. Did we cause it? I doubt it and here is why.

Follow the sea rise graphs:

The last 8000 years, which covers a rise of about 50 feet.
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We know the indigenous people of America came here beginning over 11000 years ago,
over the land that is now below sea level. I can see on NOAA navigation charts that the land in the Bering Sea they had to travel over is now 59 meter or about 194
below the current sea level. The lowest level of the sea in this current glacier cycle was some 18000 years ago during the peak of the last major glaciation.
It did not melt real fast so we can tell it took some 6000 or 7000 years before people began to cross this bare land with the glaciers also clearing away.

8000 years ago the land would have been covered by that time, some 140' deep. When you merge the picture you get from all branches of science you can see
this total picture does hang together.

Next the sea levels measure the last 300 years and the sea levels measured in the Marshall Island the last 65 years;

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So you can see the sea rise has slowed considerable in the last 7000 years, since men have populated America.
It picked up for some reason around 1860. Then you see similar evidence in the Pacific Island the last 65 year',
but in mm or inches not feet or meters. Both chart show approximately the same data the last 65 years.
One chart has a bout a 3" rise where the other has it about 4.5" Difference is probably measurement technique and other factors.
Is this Man made?
Hell, I don't know!

But since we have been burning up the carbons, The rise overall is way down from what it was when the origin spear hunters first got here.

To me the real question is, when will the rise of the sea stop???? Because then the big driver of currents stop. And then the big heat transfer pump
is down, not working!!! Broken!!! Lord it will get cold in the North. And I mean north of California.

Ah here it is the entire rise from the beginning

Post Glacial Sea Level Rise
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Silence?
Are you all sheep?

 

[noknobs]

Doubt and deny are not synonyms.

Wow, couldn't see that response coming.. My comment is still applicable if you "doubt" it.

 

[jonnyboy]

Silence?
Are you all sheep?

See how your graph shows a line with a bunch of jogs going up and down? Zoom in on one of the parts that goes up (while ignoring the parts that go down) and then point at it and say “it’s going up”.

It’s science.

 

[MarAzul]

Wow, couldn't see that response coming.. My comment is still applicable if you "doubt" it.

Thank you for your contribution. I will consider it carefully.

 

[CupWizier]

Ha! I don't have my Boat in Bandon anymore but the last time I did, there were three Mexican guys working on the dock there. Every time I saw them, it was a big greeting. Wearing their Maga hats, just pleased as hell to working those docks. It was the same in the shipyard in Oxnard too.

cough cough, bullshit!

 

[jonnyboy]

cough cough, bullshit!

A lot of Hispanics in rural areas are Trump supporters. They are concerned about the economy in working class areas just like whites, blacks and whoever else works labor jobs in those areas.
The whole world isn’t representative of the ‘Trump’s a nazi” narrative you’re spoon fed through your television set.

 

[CupWizier]

A lot of Hispanics in rural areas are Trump supporters. They are concerned about the economy in working class areas just like whites, blacks and whoever else works labor jobs in those areas.
The whole world isn’t representative of the ‘Trump’s a nazi” narrative you’re spoon fed through your television set.

and I still call BS.

 

[MarAzul]

cough cough, bullshit!

Geez!
Did you really try some?

 

[noknobs]

Thank you for your contribution. I will consider it carefully.

Glad to hear it. Reading is fundamental. You can learn lots of stuff.

 

[MarAzul]

Glad to hear it. Reading is fundamental. You can learn lots of stuff.

Yes, every thing I related to you guys in here about the rising seas, I picked out of one paper or another. Did you know,
none of the graphs were created by me? From NOAA, Scripps, Research papers, and Anthropology articles?

 

[noknobs]

Yes, every thing I related to you guys in here about the rising seas, I picked out of one paper or another. Did you know,
none of the graphs were created by me? From NOAA, Scripps, Research papers, and Anthropology articles?

If you go onto the internet and search specifically for opinions that match yours, on any subject imaginable, you will find it.

You do know that none of the mountains and mountains of evidence pointing towards man having a significant impact on global warming were created by me either, right?

I'm sure you also know that the first graph you so proudly presented on the first page of this thread clearly points towards man having a significant impact on global warming... That graph can also be found here.

 

[MarAzul]

I'm sure you also know that the first graph you so proudly presented on the first page of this thread clearly points towards man having a significant impact on global warming..

Can you explain this and relate it to the declining rate of rise in the Sea? Especially since men came to North America? They got here because the Glacier baring their way, melted enough to permit them to walk here, before the Seas rose too much and flooded the path. What have they done since they got here to slow the rise of the sea way down?

I attended a presentation by the Scientist tasked with tracking the Melt of the Glaciers world wide, maybe 12 years ago. I think he was spot on, I have observed what he observed. He suggests the Glaciers on earth between 30N and 30S will be total gone in 30 years. I think that was 12 years ago. I think he is right.

So that will be less water running off the land into the sea. Sea rises, the sea rises, a little deeper over the old land bridge from Asia to Alaska, a little more flow from the Pacific into the Arctic, melt more of that Ice. But the Seas still rise, Currents still flow. The Gulf stream and the Kuroshio currents still flow, moving that heat to the Northern Latitudes. Does it nicely too with Coriolis effect expanding the flow along the shores. But probably only because the sea is flowing. It is not a driving force, only a modifying force.

But when does it stop? And the heat transfer pump ceases to function? What then?

 

[Lanny]

A lot of Hispanics in rural areas are Trump supporters. They are concerned about the economy in working class areas just like whites, blacks and whoever else works labor jobs in those areas.
The whole world isn’t representative of the ‘Trump’s a nazi” narrative you’re spoon fed through your television set.

I've talked to a lot of Hispanics and I can say without a doubt none have voiced their support for Trump. Nearly all voiced derision for the criminal.

 

[MarAzul]

I think Bering strait is a one way path for currents. Warm Pacific water flows into the Arctic basin via this channel. The Kamchatka Current flowing south would be the cold water from the area sinking to the bottom, seeking the greatest depth over on the Western or Kamchatka side. Then work it's way south probably to the trench off Japan and to the Mariana trench. Most of flow, through that notch between the Aleutian ridge and Kamchatka. Just like the ancient Current chart above shows.

The Warm Pacific water is going to melt some ice in the Arctic basin and the resulting cold waters there flow out the Atlantic side via the mid Atlantic trench an down to the great southern Ocean.

Hell of a system! But, I don't know how much long it will run,! errr as is. That is not to say, it will not be normal, but never the less, the change may not please us.

https://frontierscientists.com/2015/06/discerning-ocean-currents-current/

 

[MarAzul]

I've talked to a lot of Hispanics and I can say without a doubt none have voiced their support for Trump. Nearly all voiced derision for the criminal.

Did you asked then politely, what they thought of the evil prick?

 

[jonnyboy]

I've talked to a lot of Hispanics and I can say without a doubt none have voiced their support for Trump. Nearly all voiced derision for the criminal.

Hitting the rural areas hard, are you?

 

[Stevenson]

Thank you for your contribution. I will consider it carefully.

No you won't.

 

[MarAzul]

No you won't.

Sure I did. I even read another article. Posted a link to it above.

 

[MarAzul]

Wow, couldn't see that response coming.. My comment is still applicable if you "doubt" it.

No you won't.

I don’t understand, do you think it’s man made or not?

Another big clue pointing to it not being man made, is the failure of Obama to stop the rise of the seas.
If it were man made, he surely would have succeeded with all you boy supporting him.

Right!!

"was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."


Now to be very honest, I don't think he failed, I just thing he overloaded his backside.

Unfortunately, he did not understand the Architecture of the Climate system of our planet. Architecture is not the study of one science but all branches of science.
The understanding of which, can not be done alone, it must be done with and understand of history, evolution and even art.

https://www.investors.com/politics/...ure-he-wasnt-able-slow-the-rising-sea-levels/

 

[Lanny]

Hitting the rural areas hard, are you?

The bulk of my family lives in rural Alabama, thanks for asking.

 

[jonnyboy]

The bulk of my family lives in rural Alabama, thanks for asking.

Hispanics in rural Alabama are anti-trump. Interesting development, and duly noted. Maybe the ones in Wyoming, Montana and North Dakota will catch up with progressive rural Alabama someday.

 

[Lanny]

Hispanics in rural Alabama are anti-trump. Interesting development, and duly noted. Maybe the ones in Wyoming, Montana and North Dakota will catch up with progressive rural Alabama someday.

"Latino leaders are refusing to accept exit poll data showing President-elect Donald Trump won 29 percent of the Hispanic vote Tuesday.

Instead the leaders said they stand by the findings of Latino Decisions polling firm, whose data showed Trump a record low 18 percent of Latinos voted for Trump."

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2...-did-not-win-29-percent-hispanic-vote-n682291

Okay, your turn.

 

[MarAzul]

Hispanics in rural Alabama are anti-trump. Interesting development, and duly noted. Maybe the ones in Wyoming, Montana and North Dakota will catch up with progressive rural Alabama someday.

I sure hope the ones working the docks don't.

 

[MarAzul]

It's same snark over on the Cruisers Net. Sailor think they are debating the causes of climate change. Which is really not debatable.
The Liberal Sailor are all sending the right virtue signals with the solar panels they tout, the electric outboards they use. Virtuous man!
Chiding the sailors that still use a diesel engine, unless of coarse they run the sucker on bio fuel that's available in about two location.

But zero real discussions on what is actually happening? Nor what will happen when we reach the toggle point. No speculation when that will be.
Nor is there one grant issued to research for a possible answer.

 

[MarAzul]

The above chart shows the main currents that transfer heat in ocean currents. Red is the warm water flow north and the cold waster move from the north to the south.

The current not shown here is the one I spoke of above, through the Bering strait that was previously blocked due to low ocean levels and the glaciers. It cleared of ice long enough for a few tribe to scamper across the low bare land before it closed again due to rising seas. This event then began a more rapid melting of the Arctic ice enhance the currents flowing in the seas. The higher the sea level the more warm pacific water that flows through the straight into the Arctic ocean, melting more ice.
This is a mass flow of warm water. A researcher in Alaska compares it to be like more than 5 Mississippi Rivers.

This flow through the straight it powered by thermal and chemical forces. The cold water and highly saline water sinking and run to the lowest point which is clear down in the great southern ocean in comparison to the arctic sea bed. So the deep water flow out of arctic into the Atlantic on beyond. Making way for the warm waters of the Pacific to flow in through the Bering strait, driven by gravity which cause the ocean to always seek equal level though out the entire basin. It never quite happen, so the currents flow.

Of course this sort of thing can not go on for ever, I think we see the Glaciers in the North disappearing just like in the mountain farther south, and the sea ice flexing but perhaps over all diminishing.

I am sure would like to see some research on would happen then when this flow all but stops. But I can not find any!!!



The big ocean current charts I posted above, I found years ago in an old Navy book created by the US Navy and the British Admiralty, publish in 1943. I hear rumor one of the uses was for US submarines to lie waiting in those currents during the day when hunting Japanese Shipping in their sector. No need to expend battery power with the help of the currents.

I made large scale charts of them years ago for my use, and now I have them in Tif files calibrated for navigation use on my boat.
Can't find anything modern nearly as good. Near as I have been able to tell, they are very accurate. I once was able to navigate to that big eddy in the Pacific with a sailboat, and there I found a boat load of glass fishing floats. Well I should have taken a boat load. Only took five I think.

 

[MarAzul]

I really, really don't get what there is to debate at this point, other than how to fix this huge problem.

...says the guy who denies man-made climate change.

What do you know about the sea? Psssh

Should I really go into how stupid and shortsighted this post is? Shit... To late.

There's this energy called electricity. You can power things with it you know?

Alright guys, What do we do about it??
If men caused it, would getting rid of 3/4s of them fix it? Or will just making them walk, takes care of it?

Before you vote, we ought to have a clue. Don't you agree @SlyPokerDog , @PtldPlatypus, @riverman ?

 

[MarAzul]

This graph created by NOAA shows the CO2 spiking greater heights than before, as we near the end of this Glacial cycle, but the temperature has not
quite reached the height of prior high points. Although carrying on for some time now rather than reaching the zenith of the cycle. This sort of suggest that we are
being delayed in ending this cycle somehow. Continental drift? The Bering strait is no doubt wider this time. Is our Meridional heat transfer system just functioning better now at the near end of this cycle? Well then, what did men do to cause the temperature not to rise quite as much?

Are we stuck here, and our justly deserved glacier will be delayed until we fix the man made screw up?