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More hand-wringing bullshit based on ASSUMPTIONS, instead of FACTS, LOGIC, and REASON.

Once again, it seems someone here on S2 has to be the voice of reason....so let's break down this load of crap:

So the only actual agenda is that of the hard line right (pollution, no rights for gays, no birth control, no health care, no Medicare, etc.)

-Nowhere has he said that he supports pollution, nor has there been shown proof that we are going to become more polluted by rolling back regulations. In fact, he's even said that he's open to regulations, as long as we continue to roll old ones back. Not every regulation is good for the economy, and not every regulation is to protect the environment.

-He's repeatedly said that gay rights are already on the books, and will remain there. He's also the first candidate in history to be seen holding the LGBT flag. Ever.

-He's cutting funding for planned parenthood. Boo hoo. If you want an abortion, go pay for it yourself. Same with birth control. Nobody is taking those away, nor the right to purchase them. And if you can't afford them, then you have no business having a child in the first place.

-He's opening up the Free Market, and allowing THE PEOPLE to decide what kind of healthcare THEY NEED, rather than what the GOVERNMENT WANTS them to have.

-Medicare will still be here. They are simply going to be more thorough about who gets it and why.

So all in all....ONCE AGAIN....this is all a bunch of whiny assumptions without any facts. Christ, I wish you people would stop this nonsense.
 
If you want an abortion, go pay for it yourself. Same with birth control. Nobody is taking those away, nor the right to purchase them. And if you can't afford them, then you have no business having a child in the first place.

If you can't afford birth control, you have no business having a child?

Does that actually make sense to you?

barfo
 
If you can't afford birth control, you have no business having a child?

Does that actually make sense to you?

barfo

Absolutely. I mean, really? If you can't afford birth control, then you likely can't afford diapers, baby formula, essential child care products, etc etc. It is extremely expensive to raise a child.

And don't even get me started on child health care....unless you expect tax payers to pay for that too....

Why is that wrong?
 
Absolutely. I mean, really? If you can't afford birth control, then you likely can't afford diapers, baby formula, essential child care products, etc etc. It is extremely expensive to raise a child.

And don't even get me started on child health care....unless you expect tax payers to pay for that too....

Why is that wrong?

It's not wrong, you are just missing the point. Yes, kids are much more expensive than birth control. That's why you should want to provide free birth control to those who can't afford it. So they don't have kids that you have to pay for.

barfo
 
nor has there been shown proof that we are going to become more polluted by rolling back regulations
bullshit....let's break down this load of cherry picked crap......I listened to all his debates and speeches I could handle....he's a liar...pathological liar. you want to do Trump damage control...it's your choice...but don't fool yourself that by hating liberal talking points you are the voice of reason....if you think environmental regulations don't curb pollution, well you might want to start there.....or move to a country without an EPA and buy imported bottled water so you can safely drink it. Ignoring pollution will turn us into a 3rd world country real fast. You can make a lot of money buy burying toxic waste in your own backyard on commission or maybe your neighbors will...big bucks...short life span
 
It's not wrong, you are just missing the point. Yes, kids are much more expensive than birth control. That's why you should want to provide free birth control to those who can't afford it. So they don't have kids that you have to pay for.

barfo

That's the dumbest fucking logic I've ever heard.

I have to pay for someone's birth control because they can't exercise a little self discipline?

What's next? Will my tax dollars have to pay for alcohol sensors to be hooked up inside of cars because some people are irresponsible when they drink?

Ignoring pollution will turn us into a 3rd world country real fast.

Speaking of cherry-picked logic....

The EPA still exists. Pull your panties back up.
 
That's the dumbest fucking logic I've ever heard
You apparently haven't listened to Trump much....but you've admitted yourself that the joy you get in these debates is being contentious...insulting everyone equally from your own words...just haven't seen much equality in your insults when it comes to politics.....or feminism
 
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Once again, it seems someone here on S2 has to be the voice of reason....so let's break down this load of crap:
-Nowhere has he said that he supports pollution, nor has there been shown proof that we are going to become more polluted by rolling back regulations.

Please try not to be spectacularly naive. OF COURSE we'll get more pollution by rolling back regulations. WHY DO YOU THINK WE GOT THE REGULATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE? Remember how Lake Erie was effectively dead? Remember rivers catching fire? London's famous "pea soupers" were smog, not fog and have only disappeared because of clean air acts. And IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER that he doesn't say he supports pollution, it's what he does that matters, and one of his very first acts was to allow coal companies to dump into rivers. You think that now they're able to, they just won't? "We just hated that we were being TOLD not do do it, but now it's off the books we'll refrain out of the goodness of our hearts"?

In fact, he's even said that he's open to regulations, as long as we continue to roll old ones back. Not every regulation is good for the economy, and not every regulation is to protect the environment.

He has SAID everything. He will say what he thinks his audience wants to hear. He's even admitted this in his books! If the New York Times is interviewing him, he comes across as a centrist. If he's at one of his rallies, he's a tinpot Mussolini. He's a sleazy salesman - THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.

What we're worried about is that he is surrounded by people who actually HAVE ideologies and agendas. You know, like Mike Pence, who is one of the most virulently anti-gay politicians there are in America. Or Steve Bannon who is an actual fascist. Or Steve Miller who is an actual White Nationalist. Or all the other guys who are billionaires licking their chops over raping the corpse of America. He's just a useful stooge that you can keep happy to get what you want.
 
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That's the dumbest fucking logic I've ever heard.

I have to pay for someone's birth control because they can't exercise a little self discipline?

This is the Trump Voter in a nutshell: EVERYBODY'S COMING FOR MY STUFF! I would be RICH and SAFE if it wasn't for THEM! They're DIRTY, they want SHARIAH LAW, they're TAKING MY JOB, they're making me PAY FOR THEIR STUFF, with money that SHOULD BE MINE!

Here's a radical thought: humans are flawed. They make mistakes. They get sick. It is the government's job to recognize that and try to maintain a good standard of living for all its citizens. YOU would be paying pennies. If you can't afford it, then guess what? You fall below the line where you would contribute ANYTHING. If you can afford it but don't want to, well, the choice is paying a fuckload MORE to pay for the kids that will happen anyway (because AMAZINGLY ENOUGH, you lecturing them on their lack of self control won't shock them into not having sex) or hunting the kids for sport. Given your gun fetish, I guess I know which one you're hoping for.
 
You apparently haven't listened to Trump much....but you've admitted yourself that the joy you get in these debates is being contentious...insulting everyone equally from your own words...just haven't seen much equality in your insults when it comes to politics.....

Insulting the logic you use is NOT insulting YOU. Get over yourself.

There's nothing wrong with expecting people to pay for themselves, instead of using my tax dollars for their irresponsible behavior. Some people expect the government to carry them, despite their poor lifestyle choices.

I don't.

WHY DO YOU THINK WE GOT THE REGULATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE?

The government wants money.

Remember rivers catching fire? London's famous "pea soupers" were smog, not fog and have only disappeared because of clean air acts.

....and cleaner burning fuels and more efficient cars and heating and energy sources. Which are things that wouldn't be possible if we regulate companies that develop such things out of existence.

it's what he does that matters

And what has he done that's so terrible?

-Disbanded the EPA? Nope.
-Given companies free license to dump waste wherever the want? Nope.
-Told corporations that they can go back to using coal powered furnaces on production lines? Nope.
-Increased child labor? Nope.

and one of his very first acts was to allow coal companies to dump into rivers

Bullshit. You better have PROOF that companies are actually doing this. More hand-wringing bullshit that is emotional and not based on logic or reason.

What we're worried about is that he is surrounded by people who actually HAVE ideologies and agendas.

GASP! You mean, politicians in Washington have AGENDAS?!

SAY IT AIN'T SO!

LMAO. Where the hell was this concern during Obama's regime?

You know, like Mike Pence, who is one of the most virulently anti-gay politicians there are in America.

Wrong again. And I've already written extensively about this in the past, using facts, backed-up data, and what he ACTUALLY did. Go do your research.

This is the Trump Voter in a nutshell: EVERYBODY'S COMING FOR MY STUFF! I would be RICH and SAFE if it wasn't for THEM! They're DIRTY, they want SHARIAH LAW, they're TAKING MY JOB, they're making me PAY FOR THEIR STUFF, with money that SHOULD BE MINE!

Here's a radical thought: humans are flawed. They make mistakes. They get sick. It is the government's job to recognize that and try to maintain a good standard of living for all its citizens. YOU would be paying pennies. If you can't afford it, then guess what? You fall below the line where you would contribute ANYTHING. If you can afford it but don't want to, well, the choice is paying a fuckload MORE to pay for the kids that will happen anyway (because AMAZINGLY ENOUGH, you lecturing them on their lack of self control won't shock them into not having sex) or hunting the kids for sport. Given your gun fetish, I guess I know which one you're hoping for.

Ah, I see. So.....according to you, me wanting to keep my money in my own pocket, and decide which politician best uses my tax dollars....means that I want to hunt children for sport.

This is an EMOTIONAL argument. Not a logical one. Grow up.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to have control over where my money goes, and electing the people who I think will spend my tax dollars best.

The government can maintain proper standards of living just fine by focusing on infrastructure and making it easier to get jobs. And part of that includes making it simpler for corporations to expand employment and job opportunities.

Let ME decide what I want to do with my own healthcare, and what I want to have coverage on. I don't need the government intruding there.

Same with everyone else. The tax payers shouldn't be responsible for things like sex change operations (Chelsea Manning) and abortions. That's ludicrous and asinine. This needs to start with proper education in schools (and at home) about the responsibilities of creating a child in today's society, and the costs of such a decision.

If you can't afford birth control, then you can't afford a child. It's that simple.
 
sir...please wait to rape me until after I've gone to the pharmacy and bought birth control.

I've thought about that in the past. Here's what I think should be allowed:

State or local governments should pay for abortions in the specific cases of rape or incest, BUT...

-A police report MUST be filed through whichever investigating agency (local police/state police/sheriff/etc), and documented by the clinic
-The state has to follow through with ensuring the woman is safe from further harm; either by removing her from the home, or arresting (circumstances depending) the offender

Get a police report filed and a documented investigation performed thoroughly (with a medical report IF possible), and I've no problem with tax dollars going to pay for it.
 
I have to pay for someone's birth control because they can't exercise a little self discipline?

No, you can pay for their child if you prefer. What you can't do is control other people, reality doesn't work that way.

If I was you, I'd want to minimize, rather than maximize, the tax dollars I spent on people who can't exercise self-discipline.

But I can't control other people either, so if you want to defund birth control and pay for more children instead, all I can do is observe that that's a pretty self-defeating choice.

barfo
 
If you can't afford birth control, you have no business having a child?

Does that actually make sense to you?

barfo

Of course it makes sense, if poor people would just stop having sex... problem solved
 
But I can't control other people either, so if you want to defund birth control and pay for more children instead, all I can do is observe that that's a pretty self-defeating choice.

barfo
You mean, like voting for Trump because you don't like somebody with unsafe emails who has connections to Goldman Sachs?
 
Meanwhile, Trump tweeted from his personal account that 122 Guantanamo prisoners released by President Obama "returned to the battlefield", adding "just another terrible decision!" Actually, 113 of those were released during the Bush Administration and only 8 during the Obama Administration. But Trump is never wrong, never makes mistakes, never takes responsibility. He did what he always does when proven wrong. He doubled down. He later repeated the tweet, word for word, this time on the official President of the United States twitter account.

I can expect Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity et al will all be screaming about the 122 dangerous terrorists President Obama released. And by tomorrow 85% of Republicans will swear it is true.
 
There's like a Protest everyday, just saw one at lunch. Who the fuck knows what it was for, the message gets diluted the more and more they do. haha
 
They're working on that:



For all we know, that could be a janitor working at the EPA. I hardly take anonymous statements on Twitter seriously. No offense.

"We are still doing our work". So some press releases and meetings were frozen. The EPA isn't going anywhere.

And by the way, they've always been disorganized. They're one of the few government agencies that is too overburdened with constant government regulation and interference, with too few employees.

If you ask me, they should become an independent, non-partisan organization that is not tied to the government.
 
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..and cleaner burning fuels and more efficient cars and heating and energy sources. Which are things that wouldn't be possible if we regulate companies that develop such things out of existence.

Ummm...........WTF do you think these things came from???????? As a result of regulations. Regulations that corporations spent a lot of time and money fighting. NONE of these things would have happened without regulations. Companies do not do....and never have done....these things voluntarily. I'm stunned you would even present this argument.

And calling "bullshit" on companies deliberately dumping into river and streams??????? Holy shit Jade, I spent 35 years in the water pollution control profession and your statement is one of the most ignorant things I've heard in a long time (and that includes this past election cycle and it's results). And I am honestly NOT trying to make this personal. Companies willfully and without shame dump ALL THE F*****G TIME because it's cheaper than upgrading processes and equipment. It's all about profit and screw the consumer on every level they possibly can. One of the most well known "artisanal" (for lack of a better term) potato chip makers in the PNW has been one of the most egregious polluters out there. Yet they constantly tout themselves as one of the most environmentally conscious companies going. The ONLY (ONLY!!!) reason they have been forced to cease and desist are those pesky regulations you are so happy to see disappear. And this is just one specific example out of dozens I can cite for one medium sized community. I love your passion but your naïveté is absolutely breathtaking. The only way we are going to retard environmental degradation is through regulations, the more the better. Because mankind in general doesn't have the discipline or altruism to regulate themselves voluntarily. If/when you ever have kids or grandkids I suspect your views will do a complete 180. Or at least I hope so.......
 
Ummm...........WTF do you think these things came from???????? As a result of regulations.

Or advancements in technology? That would seem to be a pretty big deciding factor.

And calling "bullshit" on companies deliberately dumping into river and streams???????

No, I DIDN'T say that. I'm well aware that many corporations pollute. In fact, even truck drivers do it when nobody's looking. They dump their chemicals, waste, and oil wherever it's convenient. And that infuriates me.



What I simply meant was that rolling back these regulations isn't suddenly going to make everyone start polluting more than they already are. The sky isn't going to fall, and the grass isn't going to stop growing.

I spent 35 years in the water pollution control profession

So I'm curious about something....

35 years in the business.....that means you've seen a LOT of politics on both sides, a lot of bullshit, a lot of advancement, a lot of failure, and a lot of progress.

And suddenly.....TRUMP is the one that has you terrified about this?

Why? How is he any more dangerous environmentally than Bush, Nixon, Bush Sr, Reagan, or any other Republican President ever was?

That's what I don't understand. That's why I scoff when people tell me "OMG, he's gonna kill us ALLL!" As opposed to the other 240 years this country has existed, suddenly TRUMP is the guy who's going to do us in?

That's why I don't take many arguments against him seriously. I actually think Bush Jr. did more damage for this country than Trump could ever do.

And I am honestly NOT trying to make this personal.

Bro, I don't take anything from anyone on here personally, unless it's a direct attack on my person or my character. Then it's crossing the line.

If you disagree with my views, that's fine, feel free to call them "bullshit" all you want. Lord knows I do it with others.

But I don't take anything on here personally, despite how passionate I get. I simply just get baffled at the sheer amount of insanity over this guy. And I'm not even one of his die-hard supporters! There are plenty of things that I disagree with him about, and I've discussed them at length before: the wall and his twitter use, to name just a couple.

I love your passion

Thank you. I sincerely appreciate that. Even if we disagree on issues, as long as we respect one-another on here, you guys are all good in my book.

I submit that I may very well be naive about much of these issues; especially compared to someone like you, who did this for 35 years. But when it comes to Trump overall, I'm perfectly capable of differentiating outright bullshit and hand-wringing emotions, to that which is a legitimate concern.

"Taking away women's rights"? Nope. He's just defunding Planned Parenthood.

"Taking away gay rights"? Nope, and there's no need to argue there. It's simply not true. At all.

And there's numerous other things which people just make blanket statements about and use media-based assumptions to use as an argument, without actually doing their research and attempting to get their news from unbiased sources.

I'm simply trying to help people take a breath and actually think about Trump, rather than just getting emotional and using assumptions for arguments.

And again: I'm not even a devout follower of his. I just voted for the guy. But I'm also willing to give him time and to actually look objectively at how he runs his administration over the next 3 years or so before I come to any concrete decision about him.

Some people on here wrote him off before he was even sworn in! Give me a break!

I liked what he said at his SOTU address, and I gather many other people on here did as well. That should be encouraging to all of us. It's certainly encouraging to me to see how well he performed.

Now, I personally am going to give him a year to see how his administration shapes up, and how he starts with the infrastructure and economy of our country. I'll also be looking at how he builds relationships with other countries, and how he deals with things like Russia's hacking. THEN I'll start to formulate my opinions about him. One year.

If all the rest of you want to continue this hysteria, then I guess that's on you. But I really don't think it's warranted, and I would encourage you to take a breath and give him a year.
 
Why? How is he any more dangerous environmentally than Bush, Nixon, Bush Sr, Reagan, or any other Republican President ever was?

Because, for all their faults, those people actually knew about, and cared about, something other than themselves. Trump doesn't.

They made plenty of bad decisions, but they actually cared at least a little bit what the results were. Trump doesn't give a shit, so long as he's the center of attention.

I would encourage you to take a breath and give him a year.

We don't have much choice, do we? Doesn't mean we can't form opinions before then, though.

barfo
 
Or advancements in technology? That would seem to be a pretty big deciding factor.



No, I DIDN'T say that. I'm well aware that many corporations pollute. In fact, even truck drivers do it when nobody's looking. They dump their chemicals, waste, and oil wherever it's convenient. And that infuriates me.



What I simply meant was that rolling back these regulations isn't suddenly going to make everyone start polluting more than they already are. The sky isn't going to fall, and the grass isn't going to stop growing.



So I'm curious about something....

35 years in the business.....that means you've seen a LOT of politics on both sides, a lot of bullshit, a lot of advancement, a lot of failure, and a lot of progress.

And suddenly.....TRUMP is the one that has you terrified about this?

Why? How is he any more dangerous environmentally than Bush, Nixon, Bush Sr, Reagan, or any other Republican President ever was?

That's what I don't understand. That's why I scoff when people tell me "OMG, he's gonna kill us ALLL!" As opposed to the other 240 years this country has existed, suddenly TRUMP is the guy who's going to do us in?

That's why I don't take many arguments against him seriously. I actually think Bush Jr. did more damage for this country than Trump could ever do.



Bro, I don't take anything from anyone on here personally, unless it's a direct attack on my person or my character. Then it's crossing the line.

If you disagree with my views, that's fine, feel free to call them "bullshit" all you want. Lord knows I do it with others.

But I don't take anything on here personally, despite how passionate I get. I simply just get baffled at the sheer amount of insanity over this guy. And I'm not even one of his die-hard supporters! There are plenty of things that I disagree with him about, and I've discussed them at length before: the wall and his twitter use, to name just a couple.



Thank you. I sincerely appreciate that. Even if we disagree on issues, as long as we respect one-another on here, you guys are all good in my book.

I submit that I may very well be naive about much of these issues; especially compared to someone like you, who did this for 35 years. But when it comes to Trump overall, I'm perfectly capable of differentiating outright bullshit and hand-wringing emotions, to that which is a legitimate concern.

"Taking away women's rights"? Nope. He's just defunding Planned Parenthood.

"Taking away gay rights"? Nope, and there's no need to argue there. It's simply not true. At all.

And there's numerous other things which people just make blanket statements about and use media-based assumptions to use as an argument, without actually doing their research and attempting to get their news from unbiased sources.

I'm simply trying to help people take a breath and actually think about Trump, rather than just getting emotional and using assumptions for arguments.

And again: I'm not even a devout follower of his. I just voted for the guy. But I'm also willing to give him time and to actually look objectively at how he runs his administration over the next 3 years or so before I come to any concrete decision about him.

Some people on here wrote him off before he was even sworn in! Give me a break!

I liked what he said at his SOTU address, and I gather many other people on here did as well. That should be encouraging to all of us. It's certainly encouraging to me to see how well he performed.

Now, I personally am going to give him a year to see how his administration shapes up, and how he starts with the infrastructure and economy of our country. I'll also be looking at how he builds relationships with other countries, and how he deals with things like Russia's hacking. THEN I'll start to formulate my opinions about him. One year.

If all the rest of you want to continue this hysteria, then I guess that's on you. But I really don't think it's warranted, and I would encourage you to take a breath and give him a year.

Did you ever consider that regulations fuel job creation?? And just not in the public sector. As more regulations arise and/or become more stringent, new and better equipment, processes and technology are needed to meet those regulations. The creation of the EPA has been a major boon for the manufacturing and scientific industries. This leads to more and better jobs. Trump's war on regulations will help cripple those industries. The EPA is also one of the most underfunded federal agencies we have. Because of that, enforcement is almost a joke. Trump's actions will make a bad situation even worse. So in these respects, hell f*****g yes, Trump literally terrifies me.
 
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