Tom Penn fired?

[ehizzy3]

i didnt know the vulcans got gangsta like that

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Pretty stupid if KP is being criticized for picking Oden. All 30 GM's hands down would have picked Greg it was a no brainer.

Oden was not the mistake on that day. It was trading ZBO for essentially nothing and now he's an allstar. Tom Penn, Cap Genius (esquire), is probably to blame for the theory of Imaginary Cap space being useful in building a team for the future.

 

[MickZagger]

Oden was not the mistake on that day. It was trading ZBO for essentially nothing and now he's an allstar. Tom Penn, Cap Genius (esquire), is probably to blame for the theory of Imaginary Cap space being useful in building a team for the future.

Z-Bo was a knucklehead, underachiever that was disliked by his teammates and known as a blackhole on offense and played little to no defense. There wasn't much of a market for him. To get what we got for him was a bargain.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

It's those individuals that Pritchard needs to be most careful about in the coming months. Because they're blaming the decision to pick Greg Oden instead of Kevin Durant on Pritchard and Penn. And they're blaming the failure to secure a first-choice free agent last summer on the duo, too.

there's that imaginary cap space.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Z-Bo was a knucklehead, underachiever that was disliked by his teammates and known as a blackhole on offense and played little to no defense. There wasn't much of a market for him. To get what we got for him was a bargain.

he was not an underachiever. quite the opposite.

What we got from it was nothing. I called for a firing at that time, it just took time for the shit of that trade to materialize onto itself.

 

[ironcrotch]

hay guyz lets trade LMA for ZBO he's an allstar, amirite

all this revisionist bs is retarded

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

hay guyz lets trade LMA for ZBO he's an allstar, amirite

shouldn't need to. we already had them both and really didn't get anything back in return. so lets trade imaginary cap space for ZBO...good deal!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

reminder: trading ZBO was supposed to open things up for LMA to turn him into an allstar.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

all this revisionist bs is retarded

Its not revisionist. Its the reason Penn got fired (primarily the false promise of imaginary cap space).

 

[RR7]

reminder: trading ZBO was supposed to open things up for LMA to turn him into an allstar.

It took Zach 9 years to be an All Star. Why expect it from Aldridge after 4? Maybe it has opened things up for him to eventually be an All Star.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

It took Zach 9 years to be an All Star. Why expect it from Aldridge after 4? Maybe it has opened things up for him to eventually be an All Star.

sure, he still will be good...but I don't think ZBO really would have held him back all that much like people were saying.

"Addition by subtraction" really didn't work out.

 

[ironcrotch]

reminder: trading ZBO was supposed to open things up for LMA to turn him into an allstar.

and at that time ZBO was seen as a cancer, blackhole, bone head.

if you kept ZBO it would have continued to be ZBOs team instead of Roy's. You move ZBO to make room for a new leader.

Zbo's value at that time was zero, thinking he was worth anything more than that is revisionist.

 

[RR7]

sure, he still will be good...but I don't think ZBO really would have held him back all that much like people were saying.

"Addition by subtraction" really didn't work out.

Didn't work? We improved the two subsequent years following the deal. How is that not working? Looks like we did get better. What we know is we got better after getting rid of him. You have nothing to say how we would have played with him at PF, and Aldridge at C.

 

[HOWIE]

The cap space was real. It was his job to create it; it was KP's job to turn it into something.

and it has been suggested that KP is the next one to go.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

and at that time ZBO was seen as a cancer, blackhole, bone head.

if you kept ZBO it would have continued to be ZBOs team instead of Roy's. You move ZBO to make room for a new leader.

Zbo's value at that time was zero, thinking he was worth anything more than that is revisionist.

Yes. That's why we should have kept him instead of giving him away for nothing.

You don't sell low. Penn likely promoted the idea of the imaginary cap space, and seeing that this was a complete failure on his part given his "CAP GENIUS STATUS" and the inability to do anything with both this cap space and arguably one of the most lucrative and incentive-laden expiring contracts in league history.....is why Penn got fired and KP is watching his back.

 

[HOWIE]

Pretty stupid if KP is being criticized for picking Oden. All 30 GM's hands down would have picked Greg it was a no brainer.

well to be fair, there was one and I can't for the life of me rembmer who said they would have passed on Oden.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Didn't work? We improved the two subsequent years following the deal. How is that not working? Looks like we did get better. What we know is we got better after getting rid of him. You have nothing to say how we would have played with him at PF, and Aldridge at C.

We were on an upward projection based merely on the fact that we had an emerging superstar in Brandon Roy and our rookies just got older and more experienced.

 

[e_blazer]

Geez, Canzano is a tool. His big announcement is nothing but guesswork and gossip. Did the Blazers say anything about Penn lying to them regarding Minnesota? No. So Canzano jumps on that rumor and obtains some sort of evidence that Penn was offered a job in Minnesota. So what? For all we know Penn was canned because his haircut bugged Paul Allen. But let's extend the supposition to assume that KP's on the hot seat. Yeah, let's run with that despite a total absence of facts. This guy should write for the National Enquirer.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I don't believe the Minnesota story has anything to do with it.

Its just Penn not living up to his expectations and promises.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I don't believe the Minnesota story has anything to do with it.

Its just Penn not living up to his expectations and promises.

To be fair, the real "imaginary" cap space was from the Miles deal. (though I still think the Zach deal was a mistake)

 

[Sug]

First off there is nothing that points to KP being in any type of trouble. That part is all speculation, the Penn stuff could be real.

 

[BGrantFan]

So really he doesn't have anything to report.... cool.

Well, other than supposed proof (likely a copy of an offer from Penn's agent) of Penn actually getting an offer from Minnesota.

I'd say that is something to report, and something that I did not know prior to hearing/reading it.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

To be fair, the real "imaginary" cap space was from the Miles deal. (though I still think the Zach deal was a mistake)

The cap space from Miles deal was non-exisitant and conditionary. there really wasn't any major mistake in that other than signing the deal in the first place I suppose.

 

[Todd]

and it has been suggested that KP is the next one to go.

As long as he takes Nate I can live with it!

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I, for one, am GLAD that Pritchard is getting heat from Volcan for ignoring Oden's pre-draft physical and the warning signs.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I, for one, am GLAD that Pritchard is getting heat from Volcan for ignoring Oden's pre-draft physical and the warning signs.

he's not.

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[Blazer_Hippie]

Regardless of all this conjecture, if the Blazers start faltering for the rest of the season...I'm blaming this horribly timed personnel move for it.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Just to play devil's advocate, why is the fact that KP did the same thing that any other GM did (draft Oden) any kind of defense? Is a mistake that other people would have made any less of a mistake? But more to the point, if he's all that special, shouldn't he be doing things that are uncommonly right instead of commonly wrong?

 

[The Professional Fan]

The whole Minny story doesn't add up to me at all. It's not like Minny didn't know that the rumor existed. If it was all an internal lie to get Penn promoted Minny would have certainly rejected the rumor and said no such deal had been discussed. Or no such deal was OFFERED. I don't think the Minny rumor is true at all.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I, for one, am GLAD that Pritchard is getting heat from Volcan for ignoring Oden's pre-draft physical and the warning signs.

You're right, because his wrist and back have been such huge problems since he was drafted. And if you're talking about his knees, then you're clearly not talking about the physical, since the only mention of them was:

I've also heard an unrelated rumor -- which did not show up in the Orlando physical -- that another team is expressing concern about the long-term health of Oden's knees. (emphasis mine)