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James Capers
Jason Phillips
Zachary Zarba

All inexperienced. Not sure if that's good or bad. I'm leaning toward bad.
 
The term I used was "pliable". Hope Stotts has his bitching suit on.
 
Inexperienced = young? If so, could be good because they wont have built up grudges or the ego of the old vet refs to make the game about them.
 
All NBA refs are bad. It's just where they individually fall on the spectrum of badness.
 
Define inexperienced.

James Capers is in his 19th season, Zarba his 11th, and Phillips his 16th, I believe. Seems like a good amount of experience there. Over 2700 games reffed between the 3 of them.
 
RR7 said:
Define inexperienced.

James Capers is in his 19th season, Zarba his 11th, and Phillips his 16th, I believe. Seems like a good amount of experience there. Over 2700 games reffed between the 3 of them.
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Ha ha! Ya, obviously not inexperienced.
 
BoBoBREWSKI said:
Ha ha! Ya, obviously not inexperienced.
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They might not be the "household" names of Foster, Crawford, etc., but that's a good thing. Shouldn't know who the refs are. I know all of them, but not in a oh, shit, Foster's going to fuck us sort of way. Just have heard the names announced.
 
http://www.oddsshark.com/nba/referee-handicapping-statistics

You can find a few stats about the refs on that webpage and nothing about those three sticks out as "haha were secretly screwing you". If these refs start calling flops we gotta start flopping as well, can't let the flops get you out of the rhythm of your game or its going to look a lot like the GSW/Clippers game where GSW just looked confused on how to deal with the refs calling flops.
 
If we come out doing what we do. Executing, rebounding and making the proper in game adjustments, it's all moot.
 
All we have to do is look at what happened with Golden State in Game Two. They were getting jobbed and they quit playing. As a result, they were embarrassed by the Clips and now LAC has the mental advantage going into Game Three.

We're going to have to react differently than did the Warriors. There's a good chance it will be a flop-a-thon on one end and nothing but uncalled elbows to the gut on the other. We have to persevere. The refs can job us, they can put us in foul trouble, but they don't have the power to stop us from playing our game or to keep fighting.

I think Houston looks at us and is a bit demoralized. They were up on us double digits in the second and fourth quarters, and we kept coming back. Most other teams would have rolled over and died. We didn't. We were down six in OT and came back. We lost LA and Lillard took over. If we keep up that fight, I think Houston isn't mentally strong enough to keep fighting back.

The best teams play like the opponent doesn't matter. We don't adjust to them, we force them to adjust to us. And if the foul calls get out of control, then Stotts needs to pull a Popovich and get himself tossed. Triano or Vanterpool need to be prepared to step up.

Bottom line, I think we're ready.
 
Mentally strong teams persevere. We did in game 1. While the last two days Houston has been focusing on the calls and placing the blame of their loss on the officiating. We have been focused on us and what we need to do to dismantle an already fragile Houston team.
 
maxiep said:
All we have to do is look at what happened with Golden State in Game Two. They were getting jobbed and they quit playing. As a result, they were embarrassed by the Clips and now LAC has the mental advantage going into Game Three.

We're going to have to react differently than did the Warriors. There's a good chance it will be a flop-a-thon on one end and nothing but uncalled elbows to the gut on the other. We have to persevere. The refs can job us, they can put us in foul trouble, but they don't have the power to stop us from playing our game or to keep fighting.

I think Houston looks at us and is a bit demoralized. They were up on us double digits in the second and fourth quarters, and we kept coming back. Most other teams would have rolled over and died. We didn't. We were down six in OT and came back. We lost LA and Lillard took over. If we keep up that fight, I think Houston isn't mentally strong enough to keep fighting back.

The best teams play like the opponent doesn't matter. We don't adjust to them, we force them to adjust to us. And if the foul calls get out of control, then Stotts needs to pull a Popovich and get himself tossed. Triano or Vanterpool need to be prepared to step up.

Bottom line, I think we're ready.
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It sure as hell sounds like you are. :)

:cheers:
 
For their careers, in games they have reffed, the home team has a winning % of .604 for Phillips(.005 above average), Capers at .621 (.051 above average), and Zarba .547 (.105 BELOW average). xObviously, the averages are different for each ref, since they have reffed a different amount of seasons.
In the playoffs, Zarba is .12 above average, Caper .01 above, and Phillips -.001.

For FTA, home versus road, in the playoffs, home teams are a +1.7 for Phillis, which is 1.3 below average, for his career.
Capers, +4.4, which is 2.1 above average
Zarba, +1.0, which is 2.0 BELOW average.

Personal fouls called, home minus visitor, and above/below average:
Zarba:-.9(visitors .9 more fouls per game called). .9 above average.
Capers -2.6, 1.0 BELOW average
Phillips -.9, .9 above average.
 
It's weird, but I think we finally have the mentally stronger team in a playoff matchup. While we fans can whine about refs all we want (it's our right!), it's the players who matter. And Damian has the right mental model. Don't get too upset. Don't get too excited. Do your work, shine under the lights, and mean mug when you win.

I don't think he'll let us lose this series, if it's at all in his control.
 
Nhawz said:
While the last two days Houston has been focusing on the calls and placing the blame of their loss on the officiating. We have been focused on us and what we need to do to dismantle an already fragile Houston team.
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Seems to me many of our fans, not out players, but a lot of our fans are already looking at the refs as a built in excuse for game 2.
 
RR7 said:
Personal fouls called, home minus visitor, and above/below average:
Zarba:-.9(visitors .9 more fouls per game called). .9 above average.
Capers -2.6, 1.0 BELOW average
Phillips -.9, .9 above average.
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Ooft.
 
RR7 said:
For their careers, in games they have reffed, the home team has a winning % of .604 for Phillips(.005 above average), Capers at .621 (.051 above average), and Zarba .547 (.105 BELOW average). xObviously, the averages are different for each ref, since they have reffed a different amount of seasons.
In the playoffs, Zarba is .12 above average, Caper .01 above, and Phillips -.001.

For FTA, home versus road, in the playoffs, home teams are a +1.7 for Phillis, which is 1.3 below average, for his career.
Capers, +4.4, which is 2.1 above average
Zarba, +1.0, which is 2.0 BELOW average.

Personal fouls called, home minus visitor, and above/below average:
Zarba:-.9(visitors .9 more fouls per game called). .9 above average.
Capers -2.6, 1.0 BELOW average
Phillips -.9, .9 above average.
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Cool numbers. Repped.

I think as long as we stay with our gameplan and don't let the side antics get in our head, we'll be fine.
 
RR7 said:
Seems to me many of our fans, not out players, but a lot of our fans are already looking at the refs as a built in excuse for game 2.
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Not me. I think the biggest difference will be that I don't expect Harden to shoot that badly from outside again.
 
RR7 said:
For their careers, in games they have reffed, the home team has a winning % of .604 for Phillips(.005 above average), Capers at .621 (.051 above average), and Zarba .547 (.105 BELOW average). xObviously, the averages are different for each ref, since they have reffed a different amount of seasons.
In the playoffs, Zarba is .12 above average, Caper .01 above, and Phillips -.001.

For FTA, home versus road, in the playoffs, home teams are a +1.7 for Phillis, which is 1.3 below average, for his career.
Capers, +4.4, which is 2.1 above average
Zarba, +1.0, which is 2.0 BELOW average.

Personal fouls called, home minus visitor, and above/below average:
Zarba:-.9(visitors .9 more fouls per game called). .9 above average.
Capers -2.6, 1.0 BELOW average
Phillips -.9, .9 above average.
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Great that these numbers are available, but there are just so many variables that aren't considered when you look at them in a vacuum. And tbh, I don't see much statistical significance to really say that there's a trend. I'd like to see some error calculations too, but even then, it doesn't tell me anything about a ref possibly pandering to home crowds.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Great that these numbers are available, but there are just so many variables that aren't considered when you look at them in a vacuum. And tbh, I don't see much statistical significance to really say that there's a trend. I'd like to see some error calculations too, but even then, it doesn't tell me anything about a ref possibly pandering to home crowds.
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Totally agree. You never know who they're reffing, whether those one of the teams is generally more aggressive, passive, shoots outside more, or what. Just thought I'd share some of the stats availale on them.
 
Blazers fans are like Cubs fans... the always think they are going to get jobbed because they are a fan of their team specifically.
 
Schilly said:
Blazers fans are like Cubs fans... the always think they are going to get jobbed because they are a fan of their team specifically.
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Or, because we've faced the L*kers so many times in the playoffs.

This isn't baseball or football; you know as well as I do that the NBA doesn't always ref games straight up.
 
maxiep said:
Or, because we've faced the L*kers so many times in the playoffs.

This isn't baseball or football; you know as well as I do that the NBA doesn't always ref games straight up.
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I don't think baseball and football do either, at least relating to players, versus teams. Just seems people want to complain more about NBA officiating. In a league where one star player can completely change a team unlike any other sport, it's easy to jump on the "star's league" mantra, and that they're allowed to get away with more. I'm a Braves fan, and happy to admit when we had star pitchers, we certainly got the benefit of the doubt on the edges of the plate way more than our opponents did. Nobody complained about baseball being a star's league because of it, or harped on MLB refs. NFl has had some attrocious games this year and previously that, were it the NBA, would immediately lead to looking up who the refs went to college with and who thy call on the phones.
 
RR7 said:
For their careers, in games they have reffed, the home team has a winning % of .604 for Phillips(.005 above average), Capers at .621 (.051 above average), and Zarba .547 (.105 BELOW average). xObviously, the averages are different for each ref, since they have reffed a different amount of seasons.
In the playoffs, Zarba is .12 above average, Caper .01 above, and Phillips -.001.

For FTA, home versus road, in the playoffs, home teams are a +1.7 for Phillis, which is 1.3 below average, for his career.
Capers, +4.4, which is 2.1 above average
Zarba, +1.0, which is 2.0 BELOW average.

Personal fouls called, home minus visitor, and above/below average:
Zarba:-.9(visitors .9 more fouls per game called). .9 above average.
Capers -2.6, 1.0 BELOW average
Phillips -.9, .9 above average.
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"Must Spread Rep Around"

will someone pick up RR7 for me please? I will give you rep as a result.

Great stuff RR7!
 
They don't but I don't think it's intentional conspiracy. I think ref get caught up in the fan enthusiasm.
 
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