Too Many Guards

[Scalma]

CJ is our only guard that we can trade. Curry, Simons and Trent cannot be traded this Summer, we aren’t moving Lillard and nobody is taking Turner and Baldwin can be cut but not traded. The amount of guards we have does not indicate a trade at all because even if we trade CJ we will need to replace him with someone more experienced than our young guys.

I’m pretty sure Baldwin and the rookies can be traded. Not like that should happen though. If were going to roll with CJ, we have to dive into the tax. Cutting Baldwin would be doing the exact opposite, and that to me is unacceptable.

 

[Sarni]

I’m pretty sure Baldwin and the rookies can be traded. Not like that should happen though. If were going to roll with CJ, we have to dive into the tax. Cutting Baldwin would be doing the exact opposite, and that to me is unacceptable.

Indeed it’s only a 30 day protection for rookies so they can be traded at the beginning of August. Doubt we’d take them only to trade them.

Not sure about Baldwin. What part of his 2018-19 salary is guaranteed? I want him kept.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

CJ is our only guard that we can trade. Curry, Simons and Trent cannot be traded this Summer, we aren’t moving Lillard and nobody is taking Turner and Baldwin can be cut but not traded. The amount of guards we have does not indicate a trade at all because even if we trade CJ we will need to replace him with someone more experienced than our young guys.

Damn you and your FACTS!

 

[Sarni]

We actually need to trade CJ to have any flexibility with regards to tax and future FA signings. We can’t have $55million ties to the backcourt because it will greatly reduce our ability to add players elsewhere. Fortunately Nurkic got only $12million because otherwise we’d be stuck with them three as our main trio which isn’t enough.

 

[Labinot41]

I hate olshey for 2016, but that Nurkic Contract is fucking great. Hopefully he learned from the mistakes

 

[Scalma]

Indeed it’s only a 30 day protection for rookies so they can be traded at the beginning of August. Doubt we’d take them only to trade them.

Not sure about Baldwin. What part of his 2018-19 salary is guaranteed? I want him kept.

Not sure any of his contract is guaranteed. Don’t see why we couldn’t TECHNICALLY trade him though. He’s still under contract for next season.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I hate olshey for 2016, but that Nurkic Contract is fucking great. Hopefully he learned from the mistakes

I don't hate Olshey for 2016 because I understand what happened and why.

However, that doesn't mean I'm not annoyed by it. We're still paying for it.

 

[Chris Craig]

Spurs are rebuilding give them CJ, Turner, Meyers, two firsts, and a 2nd for Leonard, Aldridge, and Green.

 

[hoopsjock]

I agree in concept, but what if he knew how good Baldwin would become, and he also knew the free agent market in 2019, and he didn't get a sense of loyalty from Baldwin, would it make sense to spend a year on him, develop him, just to lose him and have him end up locking up Dame when he plays for another team?

No way, this line of thinking is absolutely crazy. If you are worried about losing him that much you guarantee his contract and then trade him to get something out of it.

 

[hoopsjock]

Not sure any of his contract is guaranteed. Don’t see why we couldn’t TECHNICALLY trade him though. He’s still under contract for next season.

We can 100% trade Baldwin, right now or after he is guaranteed (same with PapaG and Layman). The Hornets just traded Julyan Stone who had a non-guaranteed contract next year.

 

[Chris Craig]

No way, this line of thinking is absolutely crazy. If you are worried about losing him that much you guarantee his contract and then trade him to get something out of it.

Thing is if you have the confidence that he is going to be that good, you have to sign him and trade him in a year when his trade value goes up. Baldwin isn't worth much in a trade now.

 

[hoopsjock]

Thing is if you have the confidence that he is going to be that good, you have to sign him and trade him inba tear when his trade value goes up. Baldwin isn't worth much in a trade now.

I don't know about that. Every team's front office personnel are in Vegas watching right now. The announcers of both games definitely think he's for real, it's not that much of a reach to think other teams would too.

 

[BBert]

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. I like ET as a guy, but sure would like to see him out of our lineup.

Olshey did elude to ET as the PG in the second unit and rounding him with more shooters. Would rather see WB as the PG surrounded by shooters.

I'm not even sure I like him as a guy. He's posted some pretty douchy tweets.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Lot's of bodies, but at least 3 of them aren't going to contribute. Steaksauce has proven he just isn't good enough. Ignore the SL nonsense - Simons and Trent are too green to be difference makers when the real games start. If Curry isn't healthy, back-court depth will be very limited.

 

[calvin natt]

they need to bring back another Amnesty Clause for everyone. Sure would be nice to just cut Evan a check and say goodbye. Give everyone a little reset button.

 

[Reep]

No way, this line of thinking is absolutely crazy. If you are worried about losing him that much you guarantee his contract and then trade him to get something out of it.

You are caught up in the semantics. My point is that there are some reasonable scenarios, where Baldwin is not with the team next year because Olshey might believe he can't re-sign him. I don't think that is going to happen, but it isn't crazy.

 

[Reep]

The real question is, what could be done with Turner? In a vacuum, I would say just pay his contract and tell him to take a vacation until you can trade him. But, that would kill Olshey's credibility with other free agents, so I can't imagine it happening. Is there any other scenario out there other than making him the leader of the second unit, trying to build around him, and praying?

 

[hoopsjock]

You are caught up in the semantics. My point is that there are some reasonable scenarios, where Baldwin is not with the team next year because Olshey might believe he can't re-sign him. I don't think that is going to happen, but it isn't crazy.

I'm not caught up in any semantics. It has been outlined in another thread how we can pay Baldwin next summer using Early Bird Rights. What you are implying is that Baldwin is going to have such a good season that Olshey will cut him so that doesn't happen because then he can't pay him? That makes zero sense. If Olshey was worried about that he wouldn't have signed Baldwin and developed him.

 

[Reep]

I'm not caught up in any semantics. It has been outlined in another thread how we can pay Baldwin next summer using Early Bird Rights [up to $6.5M as a UFA that other teams could pay more]. What you are implying is that Baldwin is going to have such a good season that Olshey will cut him so that doesn't happen because then he can't pay him [wrong]? That makes zero sense. If Olshey was worried about that he wouldn't have signed Baldwin and developed him.

Again, we have a difference of opinion. You believe that Olshey would not take into account that WBIV could break out next season and possibly be worth more than $7B/year (whereby another team could steal him for more than that). I believe Olshey might take that into account. I am not saying Olshey might decide the risk is worth it (it likely is), all I'm saying is that Olshey probably is aware of this, and along with other factors, could influence his decision on what to do with WBIV.

 

[blazerkor]

Again, we have a difference of opinion. You believe that Olshey would not take into account that WBIV could break out next season and possibly be worth more than $7B/year (whereby another team could steal him for more than that). I believe Olshey might take that into account. I am not saying Olshey might decide the risk is worth it (it likely is), all I'm saying is that Olshey probably is aware of this, and along with other factors, could influence his decision on what to do with WBIV.

7 Billion a year is a lot.

 

[RR7]

7 Billion a year is a lot.

He's a REALLY good defender.

 

[hoopsjock]

Again, we have a difference of opinion. You believe that Olshey would not take into account that WBIV could break out next season and possibly be worth more than $7B/year (whereby another team could steal him for more than that). I believe Olshey might take that into account. I am not saying Olshey might decide the risk is worth it (it likely is), all I'm saying is that Olshey probably is aware of this, and along with other factors, could influence his decision on what to do with WBIV.

That isn't even close to what I'm saying and quite frankly your posts are pretty frustrating. First of all we can pay him $9 million next year. If he plays so well next year that he is worth more than $9 million why on Earth would you want to cut him now, get no compensation for him, and then watch him dominate on another team? Even if you don't think you can't pay him, that would NEVER play out the way you are suggesting. I said it in my original post, if he IS playing that well to where it looks like he's gonna be priced out of our range then you deal him at the deadline, thus getting compensation for him which would be significant because he'd be dominating if that were the case. I can't even believe someone would suggest there is a reason to cut him now. There isn't.

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

Back to original thread........

For me I see our guards this way; Dame and CJ starters. But rotation will also include ET (point), Curry and Stauskas on the second unit. It will help mask ET's shooting % woes. Surround him with shooters and spread that floor. Simons and Trent will see situational PT only IMO.

My opinion remains that I'd like to see CJ moved for a bigger taller SG or SF (Butler, Wiggins, Rozen, Booker types).

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Lot's of bodies, but at least 3 of them aren't going to contribute. Steaksauce has proven he just isn't good enough. Ignore the SL nonsense - Simons and Trent are too green to be difference makers when the real games start. If Curry isn't healthy, back-court depth will be very limited.

Always ready with a cup of sunshine!
Simons, maybe green, but highly skilled. Could say the same about rookie Lebron James.
Trent, been trained from birth by an NBA player. Physically ready, too.
Curry does seem to be healthy, so no worries there.
Steaksauce? People said the same about Aminu, RoLo, ...

 

[tester551]

I'm not caught up in any semantics. It has been outlined in another thread how we can pay Baldwin next summer using Early Bird Rights [up to $6.5M as a UFA that other teams could pay more]. What you are implying is that Baldwin is going to have such a good season that Olshey will cut him so that doesn't happen because then he can't pay him [wrong]? That makes zero sense. If Olshey was worried about that he wouldn't have signed Baldwin and developed him.

Again, we have a difference of opinion. You believe that Olshey would not take into account that WBIV could break out next season and possibly be worth more than $7B/year (whereby another team could steal him for more than that). I believe Olshey might take that into account. I am not saying Olshey might decide the risk is worth it (it likely is), all I'm saying is that Olshey probably is aware of this, and along with other factors, could influence his decision on what to do with WBIV.

@Reep - your math and estimation of what we can pay Baldwin is wrong.
We will have Early Bird Rights, which allows up to 105% of the Average Salary (or MLE). This will be approximately $9M. Portland will be able to pay Baldwin more than any team that does not use CAP SPACE to sign him (if they choose to).

EDIT: Apparently it was Reep instead of Hoopsjock that insinuated that we could only pay $6.5M.

 

[calvin natt]

The real question is, what could be done with Turner? In a vacuum, I would say just pay his contract and tell him to take a vacation until you can trade him. But, that would kill Olshey's credibility with other free agents, so I can't imagine it happening. Is there any other scenario out there other than making him the leader of the second unit, trying to build around him, and praying?

Play him 40 min a night and inflate his stats and call the Kings?

 

[BonesJones]

I see Stotts playing Curry and Nik like he did Bazz and Pat at the beginning of the season. At SF you still have Harkless and Turner in from of Trent. Trent only way to get minutes either beat out Nik or there a trade. I do believe by January that Trent will ahead of Nik.

Please no.

 

[H.C.]

There will certainly be a lot of competition in practice. Which can only make Lillard & CJ better.
While not dominate scoring guards like Lillard & CJ. Curry is a significant upgrade from Napier.
Trent seems to be an upgrade from the baseball player.

I doubt Stauskas sees significant minutes in the regular season.
But at the very least he's going to be a shooter at the SF to kick to in practice.(considering Harkless/Turner/Aminu aren't known as 'shooters')
So we'll see.
Do I think there is a trade coming? Possibly. But I don't think Portland feels pressure to make a move, just to make a move.
If one makes logic. I'm sure it'll be done.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

We'd have to waive PapaG who is the other expiring. If that happens and a big gets hurt we are screwed.

1. I don't think that's necessarily true, as you can thrive with small ball a lot in this league, but
2. If we're screwed without PapaG, we're just as screwed WITH PapaG. He makes no difference. He is not an NBA player.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

We'd have to waive PapaG who is the other expiring. If that happens and a big gets hurt we are screwed.

Leave Meyers Leonard Alone! He's a Basketball Player.