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http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55845/20081207/raptors_open_to_making_deals/

^^^ They are open to making trades. I have a blockbuster trade idea that might be my best idea ever haha

Here it is.

Frye, Outlaw, Blake, Bayless and Raef for Calderon and O'Neal

Now I would hate to get rid of Bayless, but I would do it to get a better PG in the starting 5. We would have to get rid of Bayless to get Jose. This solves logjams at PG, SF and PF!!! Yes, we get rid of our Raef money, but Jermaine has a ton of money coming off the books in 2010, so we give up one more year, big whoop. Plus the guy can still play pretty well, unlike Raef. And Jermaine can be a great mentor to LMA and Greg, plus a fan favorite coming back to the team that drafted him. Not to mention we get ANOTHER Spanish connection!

Now we look like this.

Calderon\Sergio
Roy\Rudy
Batum\Webster
LMA\O'Neal
Joel\Oden

This also gives Toronto quite a facelife. Outlaw finally gets to start. Blake still starts and Bayless will actually get minutes. Then they can sign a good FA this off-season with Raefs money. They look like...

Blake\Bayless
Parker\Adams\Graham
Outlaw\Moon\Kapono
Bosh\Frye
Bargnani\Humphries\Jawai

What do you guys think? Trade works after December 15th (because of Joses contract)

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4854448
 
Calderon is a better assist man than Blake but he is not as good a 3 pt shooter and is not an upgrade on D - having Bayless in there really kills it for me. Bayless on paper looks the perfect PG to put next to Roy when this team is ready to contend.

I would not trade him at this point unless there is a bigger upgrade in the PG from a defensive stand-point - and JC is not it.
 
Yeah the hardest part of this one was putting Bayless in there. I think the trade will still work with Sergio instead of Bayless in there. We might have to throw in like Shavlik or somthing. No biggie.

I do really think Bayless would be a good player for us. I am not sure why we don't play him more.
 
yup no way we move bayless for a PG who has a huge knock on his defense.

also obviously we're not gonna pay jermaine 45 million to back up aldridge for 2 years. come on.
 
BatumKaboom said:
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55845/20081207/raptors_open_to_making_deals/

^^^ They are open to making trades. I have a blockbuster trade idea that might be my best idea ever haha

Here it is.

Frye, Outlaw, Blake, Bayless and Raef for Calderon and O'Neal

Now I would hate to get rid of Bayless, but I would do it to get a better PG in the starting 5. We would have to get rid of Bayless to get Jose. This solves logjams at PG, SF and PF!!! Yes, we get rid of our Raef money, but Jermaine has a ton of money coming off the books in 2010, so we give up one more year, big whoop. Plus the guy can still play pretty well, unlike Raef. And Jermaine can be a great mentor to LMA and Greg, plus a fan favorite coming back to the team that drafted him. Not to mention we get ANOTHER Spanish connection!

Now we look like this.

Calderon\Sergio
Roy\Rudy
Batum\Webster
LMA\O'Neal
Joel\Oden

This also gives Toronto quite a facelife. Outlaw finally gets to start. Blake still starts and Bayless will actually get minutes. Then they can sign a good FA this off-season with Raefs money. They look like...

Blake\Bayless
Parker\Adams\Graham
Outlaw\Moon\Kapono
Bosh\Frye
Bargnani\Humphries\Jawai

What do you guys think? Trade works after December 15th (because of Joses contract)

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4854448
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Good deal for Portland, terrible, terrible deal for Toronto. that would easily give Toronto the weakest, softest frontcourt in the history of the league.

Not too mention I think there's some law about having 3 spaniards on one team.
 
andalusian said:
Calderon is a better assist man than Blake but he is not as good a 3 pt shooter and is not an upgrade on D - having Bayless in there really kills it for me. Bayless on paper looks the perfect PG to put next to Roy when this team is ready to contend.

I would not trade him at this point unless there is a bigger upgrade in the PG from a defensive stand-point - and JC is not it.
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Calderon motivates ball and player movement much more than Blake, and while Toronto plays at a slow pace he is much better at feeding the break too. In addition he is EASILY as good of a shooter as Blake (and has been consistently) throughout his career. Blake is on a hot stretch now, AND is getting a lot of benefit of open looks fairly ungaurded.

O'neal would be fun again and probably a very good 15-20 mpg guy at PF behind Aldridge, we could bring over Freeland next year to replace him and bring in Koponen as the third PG.

We've also got a first rounder and four seconds to get some more prosects long term at PF and PG.

2009
Calderon/Sergio/Koponen
Roy/Rudy
Webster/Batum
Aldridge/O'neal
Oden/Pryzbilla/Freeland

I like that a lot.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Good deal for Portland, terrible, terrible deal for Toronto. that would easily give Toronto the weakest, softest frontcourt in the history of the league.

Not too mention I think there's some law about having 3 spaniards on one team.
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You know it's bad when trading away Jermaine O'Neal makes your front court even softer, but this trade has managed to do so.
 
shamelessblazer said:
Calderon motivates ball and player movement much more than Blake, and while Toronto plays at a slow pace he is much better at feeding the break too. In addition he is EASILY as good of a shooter as Blake (and has been consistently) throughout his career. Blake is on a hot stretch now, AND is getting a lot of benefit of open looks fairly ungaurded.

O'neal would be fun again and probably a very good 15-20 mpg guy at PF behind Aldridge, we could bring over Freeland next year to replace him and bring in Koponen as the third PG.

We've also got a first rounder and four seconds to get some more prosects long term at PF and PG.

2009
Calderon/Sergio/Koponen
Roy/Rudy
Webster/Batum
Aldridge/O'neal
Oden/Pryzbilla/Freeland

I like that a lot.
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I agree 100% !!!
 
toronto trades away the two best players in this trade? and they'd do this why?
 
O'Neal had a really nice game today, but has been declining. I'm not that interested in acquiring him. I like Calderon, but he's basically a souped-up Sergio. I'm not willing to give up Bayless and Outlaw (and the RLEC) and take on O'Neal for that upgrade on Sergio. I'd rather make do with Sergio and Blake and wait to see what Bayless becomes, because he profiles as a great complement to this team.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Good deal for Portland, terrible, terrible deal for Toronto. that would easily give Toronto the weakest, softest frontcourt in the history of the league.

Not too mention I think there's some law about having 3 spaniards on one team.
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But they will have the money this off-season to get a good PF or C, or make another trade.

Plus, Bosh is establishing himself as an MVP caliber player. He only needs some big man down there to rebound for him. O'Neal is overkill for them. Better then Ford was though.
 
Wow.. Jermaine makes 23 mil next season. JO broke the bank at the right time I guess.

I don't think it's a terrible trade, talent alone, I'd do it. But making that big of a makeover at this time of the year, I'm not a big fan of. Let the cake bake.
 
Uh, you actually propose this and Raptors will laugh. How is this in any way a bad trade for the Blazers?
 
Frye/pick for Bargnani?

Calderon would make our team better on the offensive end. He can also score and looks like he would be a nice fit next to Roy. The downside - He's atrocious on the defensive end. One of the worst at his position. His jumper and playmaking would be very valuable though.

Bargnani is a better shooter than Frye and would play the same role. They both rebound like little girls but Bargnani also drives into the paint.

Other than that, the Raptors don't really have anything worth typing.
 
Keep it simple and to our benefit:

Frye and Raef for O'Neal
 
Fez said:
Frye/pick for Bargnani?

Calderon would make our team better on the offensive end. He can also score and looks like he would be a nice fit next to Roy. The downside - He's atrocious on the defensive end. One of the worst at his position. His jumper and playmaking would be very valuable though.

Bargnani is a better shooter than Frye and would play the same role. They both rebound like little girls but Bargnani also drives into the paint.

Other than that, the Raptors don't really have anything worth typing.
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Oh, hell no to Bargs. Besides, Raptor fans think REALLY highly of Bargs for some reason.
 
B-Roy said:
Uh, you actually propose this and Raptors will laugh. How is this in any way a bad trade for the Blazers?
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Because O'Neal has declined to below average starter and is making a huge amount of money. Name recognition aside, he's a negative to this deal. Calderon is good, but has enough negatives that he's not a star. Outlaw and Bayless (and taking on O'Neal's awful contract) is a steep price for Calderon.
 
I like Calderon but I think Mike Bibby makes 10000x's more sense for this team. But the way Blake is playing would KP even want to make a deal right now?

Bibby
Roy
Batum
Aldridge
Oden

I like this lineup when we make our push in the playoffs.
 
BatumKaboom said:
But they will have the money this off-season to get a good PF or C, or make another trade.

Plus, Bosh is establishing himself as an MVP caliber player. He only needs some big man down there to rebound for him. O'Neal is overkill for them. Better then Ford was though.
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which raises the question, if they're getting the production they want out of JO, why trade him only to have to go back out into free agency and try to fill that need all over again, and in the meantime trade away the number two assist man in the league?

And I totally agree with other people who think that this is a terrible deal for Portland. Can you imagine how porous our perimeter defense would be with Calderon/Sergio at the one? Also, what value is there in paying JO 23 million a year to play 15 minutes a game? Backup power forward is the least of this team's concern, that's something to address during the summer when Diogu and Channing are (potentially) off the books, and I'm not crazy about Calderon's two-way game.
 
Nikolokolus said:
And I totally agree with other people who think that this is a terrible deal for Portland. Can you imagine how porous our perimeter defense would be with Calderon/Sergio at the one? Also, what value is there in paying JO 23 million a year to play 15 minutes a game? Backup power forward is the least of this team's concern, that's something to address during the summer when Diogu and Channing are (potentially) off the books, and I'm not crazy about Calderon's two-way game.
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You just said it was a good deal a few posts before.

Anyways, our PG defense is bad, whether with Calderon/Sergio, or with Blake/Sergio. The only question is, would you take Blake's slightly better defense for Calderon's upgrade on offense? I would, but that's just me.

Now that I think about it, JO might not be great, since we don't need him to produce. With that said, there would be no reason for Toronto to send him. So just take Raef and JO out. Then add a filler on Toronto's end. Would you do it then?
 
Zero interest on my part in trading for Calderon. Watching the game today and thinking back on all of the conversation in the past about getting this guy as our starting PG and...well color me completely underwhelmed by the guy. I'd rather stick with Blake any day.
 
B-Roy said:
You just said it was a good deal a few posts before.

Anyways, our PG defense is bad, whether with Calderon/Sergio, or with Blake/Sergio. The only question is, would you take Blake's slightly better defense for Calderon's upgrade on offense? I would, but that's just me.

Now that I think about it, JO might not be great, since we don't need him to produce. With that said, there would be no reason for Toronto to send him. So just take Raef and JO out. Then add a filler on Toronto's end. Would you do it then?
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I did say that, but only because it was such an unbalanced trade in terms of value, in terms of actual fit for each team it would be a bad deal for both.
 
e_blazer said:
Zero interest on my part in trading for Calderon. Watching the game today and thinking back on all of the conversation in the past about getting this guy as our starting PG and...well color me completely underwhelmed by the guy. I'd rather stick with Blake any day.
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3pt% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
43.3 2.2 4.2 0.7 - 11.4 - Blake
42.2 3.1 9.6 0.8 0.1 12.8 - Calderon

Calderon is significantly better than Blake at every aspect of the game except for 3PT%, which Blake only betters him by 1%. Calderon would be the final piece to this team if we could get him. Dude average nearly a double double with points and dimes.

That being said, no way Toronto does any of these deals.
 
Nate4Prez said:
3pt% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
43.3 2.2 4.2 0.7 - 11.4 - Blake
42.2 3.1 9.6 0.8 0.1 12.8 - Calderon

Calderon is significantly better than Blake at every aspect of the game except for 3PT%, which Blake only betters him by 1%. Calderon would be the final piece to this team if we could get him. Dude average nearly a double double with points and dimes.
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Calderon is a huge upgrade on Blake as a play-maker, and a significant downgrade on defense. Everything else is close enough to a wash as to be pretty inconsequential. Of course, Calderon is playing pretty much to expectations, while Blake is having a career year. That should be considered.

Calderon is what I wish Sergio was. But I'm not sure I'd deal Bayless (let alone both Bayless and Outlaw) for him. If he were a good defender, sure...but then he'd be untouchable. Bayless has a chance to be a very good defender and a plus offensive player, with enough passing to complement Roy.
 
Nate4Prez said:
3pt% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
43.3 2.2 4.2 0.7 - 11.4 - Blake
42.2 3.1 9.6 0.8 0.1 12.8 - Calderon

Calderon is significantly better than Blake at every aspect of the game except for 3PT%, which Blake only betters him by 1%. Calderon would be the final piece to this team if we could get him. Dude average nearly a double double with points and dimes.

That being said, no way Toronto does any of these deals.
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I am sorry but this is a very deceptive way to compare them. Blake gets his numbers playing next to Roy who actually controls the ball and plays PG for at least a quarter per game.

The real question is to ask - is Calderon going to give you the same kind of production when he is playing SG and has to defer to Brandon? The APG will defintely not be there - who knows how well he shoots when he is not dominating the ball.

Looking at JC - he is an upgrade over Blake offensively - but that upgrade is going to be much smaller than you think when you compare them head-to-head without remembering that Blake is having his best seasons playing next to Roy - but who knows what taking the ball away from JC will do.

Add the fact that as bad as Blake's D has been this year - JC is even worse - and I honestly do not think this is a worthwhile upgrade - especially not for the price of Bayless.
 
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