Toronto wants to move Bargnani.

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tbh I want nothing to do with Bargnani, and I don't see how Lee can help us that much.

Give me a Caron Butler, or Gerald Wallace :wub:
 
They're not trading their #1 pick a couple of years ago for two scrubs. They can get better. Or they'll just hold onto him.
 
Lost One said:
They're not trading their #1 pick a couple of years ago for two scrubs. They can get better. Or they'll just hold onto him.
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I disagree that Frye is a scrub, but I agree about Diogu being one.

Either way I don't think those two guys are enough for Bustnani, even though he sucks himself.
 
Not clear to me how we'd use Bargnani. Play him at SF?

barfo
 
All of that just so we can pay him 5 or 6 million a year to be a third string backup power forward who will get 60 DNPs a year? Where do I sign :wink:
 
He can really shoot the ball but that's where it ends.

He's a 7'1" Jason Kapono.
 
Fez said:
He can really shoot the ball but that's where it ends.

He's a 7'1" Jason Kapono.
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Umm... not really. If he was, Toronto wouldn't be looking to dump him.

Career shooting stats:

Andrea Bargnani - 0.407 FG%, 0.360 3FG%

Jason Kapono - 0.449 FG%, 0.461 3FG%

More like a 7' Adam Morrison, if you ask me.

BNM
 
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barfo said:
Not clear to me how we'd use Bargnani. Play him at SF?

barfo
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Toronto still hasn't figured out how to use him. They tried him at starting center for the 53 games last season, and he was just flat out awful. His shooting percentages were horrible, and he was the weakest rebounding starting 7-footer since Brad Sellers.

Then, after not starting him there all season, Sam Mitchell decided to start him at SF during the play-offs against Orlando. As expected, Bargnani looked totally lost and Toronto got killed on the perimeter in that series.

This year, he went back to his original role coming off the bench backing up Bosh at the 4 (after Hump got injured) and playing spot minutes at the 3 on the second unit. Now, with O'Neal injured, he's started at the 5 and has gotten big minutes over the last 3 games - and has actually been productive.

Still, I don't want him and wouldn't give up anything to get him. People around here complain about Aldridge's rebounding, but compared to Bargnani, he's Moses Malone. Bargnani is the definition of a streaky shooter. He'll occasionally have a good shooting game - and he's even managed to string three decent games together in a row recently, but you never know what you're going to get. He has way to many 1 - 5 and 2 - 7 games for me. And, of course you know you're not going to get much else out of him.

As poorly as Channing Frye has played this season, he hasn't been much worse than Bargnani. Frye is a better rebounder, and is shooting the ball almost as well - better from 3-point range. Bargnani would basically get Frye's minutes and give us more of the same - inconsistent outside shooting and poor rebounding and defense. No thanks.

BNM
 
What's the point? Other than maybe getting rid of two PFs for one? Weird consolidation.

So let's see...he'll get approximately 0mpg behind Aldridge and Lee, while Lee may not even be happy with his backup role, Andrea would sit at the end of the bench and be our new Ha Seung-Jin.

Bargnani could get time at cent-wait no, he'll get about 0mpg behind Oden and Pryzbilla as well.

Well, maybe he'll get some minutes at PF because Lee can play a little SF? No wait...we still have our 3 SFs.

Doesn't make any sense to me. You get a player who's 3rd string at center (maybe 4th behind Aldridge), maybe even 4th at PF if you count Outlaw, potentially even farther back at SF because of the 3 natural SFs plus Roy and Rudy.

Also, I was convinced that the point was to get a banger backup PF, not another guy known for being "soft" and an outside shooter who would be a backup backup (backup) PF.
 
Good for Toronto. Seeing Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge and Rudy Gay having significantly better careers has finally gotten them to realize how pathetic that pick was.

But whats it got to do with us?
 
number 10 said:
yes.

seriously, the guy's PER is 9.57. If that's not a scrub what is?
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Scrub:

(1) A scrub is a guy that thinks he's fly
And is also known as a buster (busta, busta...)
Always talkin' about what he wants
And just sits on his broke ass
...

(2) A scrub is a guy that can't get no love from me
Hanging out the passenger side
Of his best friend's ride
Trying to holler at me


So ask yourself, which definition does he fall under?
 
Lost One said:
They're not trading their #1 pick a couple of years ago for two scrubs. They can get better. Or they'll just hold onto him.
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What world are you living in? Bargiani is a pile of crap, and they will be lucky to get a bag of popcorn for him.

Portland: Well who do you want to trade?

Toronto: An overweight italian power forward who only like to shoot from the outside, and who is nowhere near as athletic as sold for the draft.

Portland: We'll give you two scrubs.

Toronto: Deal.

:devilwink:
 
hasoos said:
What world are you living in? Bargiani is a pile of crap, and they will be lucky to get a bag of popcorn for him.

Portland: Well who do you want to trade?

Toronto: An overweight italian power forward who only like to shoot from the outside, and who is nowhere near as athletic as sold for the draft.

Portland: We'll give you two scrubs.

Toronto: Deal.

:devilwink:
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Lol, I'll assume you're joking as the devil wink shows.

Man, let me tell you guys something. No one has less belief in Bargnani than I do, but when you watch this kid play every day, you see he can be something special. He's 21 people, not 29. When Toronto played Orlando, he never once backed down from Howard. Where as last year, he would of been killed. He is creating for himself and others. He's starting to attack the basket and play much better defense. Not to mention, he's BC's love child.

So I can tell you right now, no way does BC take a scrub and a underachieving PF for Bargnani.
 
King Shake said:
Lol, I'll assume you're joking as the devil wink shows.

Man, let me tell you guys something. No one has less belief in Bargnani than I do, but when you watch this kid play every day, you see he can be something special. He's 21 people, not 29. When Toronto played Orlando, he never once backed down from Howard. Where as last year, he would of been killed. He is creating for himself and others. He's starting to attack the basket and play much better defense. Not to mention, he's BC's love child.

So I can tell you right now, no way does BC take a scrub and a underachieving PF for Bargnani.
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Yes and No. I do believe Bargiani is a bust.
 
King Shake said:
So I can tell you right now, no way does BC take a scrub and a underachieving PF for Bargnani.
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Exactly - it would be a lateral move for both teams. A swap of underachieving PFs.

We certainly don't want, or need, Bargnani. He'd have even less of a role here than he does in Toronto. His best position is PF, but he's stuck behind Bosh. So, they force him to play out of position at SF and C. With Oden and Przybilla, he wouldn't get ay PT at center, and once Webster comes back, we don't need him at SF (where he is an absolutely horrible defender).

We need rebounding and toughness from our back-up PF and Bargnani gives us neither. He's an absolutely abysmal rebounder. I'd rather bring over Joel Freeland than trade for Bargnani.

BNM
 
number 10 said:
yes.

seriously, the guy's PER is 9.57. If that's not a scrub what is?
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The guy had a 15-16 PER last season playing most of his minutes at center (out of position).

He's had a bad streak this year but that doesn't mean he is a scrub. He has proven he can be a decent player in this league.

Where did you get his 9.5 PER anyways? He has a 10.6 this year playing PF, and a 11.1 PER playing C

http://www.82games.com/0809/08POR11.HTM#bypos

With him underachieving, that isn't atrocious

PER is a screwy stat anyways. Is Sergio really better than Batum? How abou Diogu is he better than Batum? They have higher PER's than him.
 
Let us not forget, Bargnani had the second most, first place votes, for ROY . . . only behind Brandon (who is a pretty good player).

On a serious note, if anyone is going to know if Bargnani fits with the Blazer both skills and culture wise, it is KP. I'm sure he spent countless hours evaluating the 2006 class. I wonder what his thoughts are on Barg . . .
 
JFizzleRaider said:
The guy had a 15-16 PER last season playing most of his minutes at center (out of position).

He's had a bad streak this year but that doesn't mean he is a scrub. He has proven he can be a decent player in this league.

Where did you get his 9.5 PER anyways? He has a 10.6 this year playing PF, and a 11.1 PER playing C

http://www.82games.com/0809/08POR11.HTM#bypos

With him underachieving, that isn't atrocious

PER is a screwy stat anyways. Is Sergio really better than Batum? How abou Diogu is he better than Batum? They have higher PER's than him.
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I got his PER from ESPN, and you're right, he was an average player last season, but he's been beyond atrocious this season. Whatever his PER is, my eyes tell me he's been bad Besides, PER's biggest problem is defense, but Frye's not a good defender. I don't see why any other team would value him more than Diogu, who's own status as a former lottery pick hasn't helped him avoid being treated like a scrub.
 
number 10 said:
I got his PER from ESPN, and you're right, he was an average player last season, but he's been beyond atrocious this season. Whatever his PER is, my eyes tell me he's been bad Besides, PER's biggest problem is defense, but Frye's not a good defender. I don't see why any other team would value him more than Diogu, who's own status as a former lottery pick hasn't helped him avoid being treated like a scrub.
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So you think Diogu is just as good as Frye?
 
JFizzleRaider said:
So you think Diogu is just as good as Frye?
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Diogu is better than Frye. Dear Lord... Frye has been one of the worst players I've seen this season in the NBA.

As for Bargnani: he's like a good version of Frye. He'd help this team, but not if we add Lee and not at the expense of anything of significant value.

Ed O.
 
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