Tortured’s State of the Blazers

[kjironman1]

So i did a simple GPA on your grades and you gave a team that made the Western Conference Finals a C+ GPA.
What's it take to get a B average around here?
You have been listening to the kid that posts 2-300 times a day bashing the team a bit too much.
That team played it's collective hearts out this season. They gave it everything they had. Some played through injury and took lesser roles to be a team. That team did it for a coach that they respect and has earned that respect. The GM is the one that put that group of players together that achieved everything we witnessed this season. They all did this after losing their biggest and truest fan. The late Paul Allen RIP. Who by the way deserves better than a C+ as does Jody and the way she stepped up. They also did it after one of the most horrific injuries this team and fan base has witnessed. I suggest you go back and read some of your own posts made on March 25th 2019 and then maybe look at your C+ grade.

If all you can come up with is a C+ for that season then you are obviously setting yourself up for failure every time. Go ahead and continue to listen to the coach of the 3 on 3 tournament team. He must know what he is talking about because he has a You Tube Video player/recording and can post them on the internet. Like this is a tough thing to do? Susan Wojcicki is making a mint off that by making it pretty easy.

I'm serious when i say this. The Blazer bashing on this site has gotten way out of hand. People don't come here to be told their favorite team "Sucks" and that they never will ever be successful while such and such is here or in charge. It's gotten to ridiculous proportions and as far as i am concerned we are doing this site a huge disservice by allowing it to continue. It's like if you enjoyed the season and are really looking forward to next year you are put on notice that that kind of behavior isn't allowed around here because 4 or 5 posters don't want people to enjoy the Blazers we have. Craziest part is the oldest and best posters on this site have all pretty much given up the good fight. They just quit coming around because of the hater mentality and the willingness to post without respect and courtesy.

Now as far as your original post? If that is the way you truly feel then i can respect that. But if they happen to get 55 wins next year and another trip to the Conference finals will they again be just better than a C? Seriously? They got to the WCF's in 99 and 2000. Before that they did 3 years 90-91-92 with a couple trips to the finals. The only other time they got this far was 77. So you are saying one of the top 6 years in the teams history only brings a C+. That is out of 49 seasons.

It just boggles the mind that i felt i had to type all that? Of all the recent summers that we really felt we should have been better i just didn't think this was gonna be one.

 

[Drttimmy]

TBF’s State of the Blazers:

So lets start off with Neil Olshey.

Neil has been a GM that is hard personally to listen too, he’s often came across as a salesman to the public. Just giving us the company line, and every 6 months or so the media around Portland tells us he was close to making a move that would have altered the fates of the Blazers, but it never quite materializes. It’s really hard to gauge how much of that is true, so we have to judge him based on whats happened.

Neils Draft record has been pretty good. Sure theres been flops in there, but guys like CJ have panned out, and their current young players in Simons and Zach look to have a lot of potential.

Neils trades have been kind of alright, with some of them like getting Rodney Hood and Nurkic looking really good and some like Aaron Afflalo looking bad, though I think their is reasonable excuses that, that years iteration of the Blazers failure’s werent because of that trade but because of Injuries to Wes Matthews, Rolo, and LMA.

Overall Ive never been super high on Neil but Id say he’s done ok. His major failure has been free agency for the most part 2016 is really all one needs to say on that. He did pick up Kanter, and Curry recently that were adequate additions to the team.

GM : C+

Since talent reigns supreme in the NBA, I think GM is the most crucial position to fill with excellence. I've been lukewarm on Olshey for a lot of the reasons you mention. He doesn't even flatter by condescending us, going straight to direct belittling. And that's a little annoying. But judging strictly on his talent evaluation and acquisition, he's been pretty okay. His major failings are the 2016 free agent signings, Aldridge, and his inability to put together forward thinking, creative moves. I was recently listening to the old Portland radio host, Gavin Dawson, and he blamed the free agent signings on Paul Allen, basically saying Paul insisted on the signings over Olshey's reluctance. I don't know if that's true, but I can buy it and it makes Olshey's star burn a little brighter if so. Losing Aldridge for nothing was inexcusable and it's hard to overlook how much better we could be if it had turned out differently. He has managed to re-sign Dame, CJ, and Nurk since then, so maybe he's learned from it. His moves are largely single step maneuvers. Sign a cheap guy here, draft a player they like where we're slotted. Those can add up, but we're basically crawling toward our destination and using up Dame/CJs prime years doing it. He has yet to make a really risky move, unless you want to count calling Aldridge's bluff. I think he's proven he can make a team competitive and even good, and that's great if that's all we're really chasing. Tough to say what the current ownership truly wants. We can and have had worse, so there's that ringing endorsement.

 

[riverman]

So i did a simple GPA on your grades and you gave a team that made the Western Conference Finals a C+ GPA.
What's it take to get a B average around here?
You have been listening to the kid that posts 2-300 times a day bashing the team a bit too much.
That team played it's collective hearts out this season. They gave it everything they had. Some played through injury and took lesser roles to be a team. That team did it for a coach that they respect and has earned that respect. The GM is the one that put that group of players together that achieved everything we witnessed this season. They all did this after losing their biggest and truest fan. The late Paul Allen RIP. Who by the way deserves better than a C+ as does Jody and the way she stepped up. They also did it after one of the most horrific injuries this team and fan base has witnessed. I suggest you go back and read some of your own posts made on March 25th 2019 and then maybe look at your C+ grade.

If all you can come up with is a C+ for that season then you are obviously setting yourself up for failure every time. Go ahead and continue to listen to the coach of the 3 on 3 tournament team. He must know what he is talking about because he has a You Tube Video player/recording and can post them on the internet. Like this is a tough thing to do? Susan Wojcicki is making a mint off that by making it pretty easy.

I'm serious when i say this. The Blazer bashing on this site has gotten way out of hand. People don't come here to be told their favorite team "Sucks" and that they never will ever be successful while such and such is here or in charge. It's gotten to ridiculous proportions and as far as i am concerned we are doing this site a huge disservice by allowing it to continue. It's like if you enjoyed the season and are really looking forward to next year you are put on notice that that kind of behavior isn't allowed around here because 4 or 5 posters don't want people to enjoy the Blazers we have. Craziest part is the oldest and best posters on this site have all pretty much given up the good fight. They just quit coming around because of the hater mentality and the willingness to post without respect and courtesy.

Now as far as your original post? If that is the way you truly feel then i can respect that. But if they happen to get 55 wins next year and another trip to the Conference finals will they again be just better than a C? Seriously? They got to the WCF's in 99 and 2000. Before that they did 3 years 90-91-92 with a couple trips to the finals. The only other time they got this far was 77. So you are saying one of the top 6 years in the teams history only brings a C+. That is out of 49 seasons.

It just boggles the mind that i felt i had to type all that? Of all the recent summers that we really felt we should have been better i just didn't think this was gonna be one.

can I just cut and paste this in every thread?

 

[Strenuus]

I almost wish we didnt make the wcf so people would notice the obvious flaws in this team.

Just because you make it there doesnt mean youre actually that good.

Its a c team. Without dame were an F.

Were a WCF team because of Dame. Were not a better team because of olshey and stotts.

 

[riverman]

Were a WCF team because of Dame. Were not a better team because of olshey and stotts.

bs...you win and lose as a team...staff and roster ..top to bottom...Kanter won us games, Hood won us games, CJ won us games...Dame is the captain but you win with soldiers.....the lack of respect for that baffles me...if I had that view I'd find a team I could cheer for honestly...I can cheer for this team..mediocre teams DON'T get to the WCF, win a 4OT game....win a series against the 2nd seed on their court.....it's insulting to grade that so low

 

[riverman]

I almost wish we didnt make the wcf so people would notice the obvious flaws in this team.

weird Stren...you'd like us to lose early so you'd be right about judging the team? Just eat the crow dude.....

 

[BonesJones]

So i did a simple GPA on your grades and you gave a team that made the Western Conference Finals a C+ GPA.
What's it take to get a B average around here?
You have been listening to the kid that posts 2-300 times a day bashing the team a bit too much.
That team played it's collective hearts out this season. They gave it everything they had. Some played through injury and took lesser roles to be a team. That team did it for a coach that they respect and has earned that respect. The GM is the one that put that group of players together that achieved everything we witnessed this season. They all did this after losing their biggest and truest fan. The late Paul Allen RIP. Who by the way deserves better than a C+ as does Jody and the way she stepped up. They also did it after one of the most horrific injuries this team and fan base has witnessed. I suggest you go back and read some of your own posts made on March 25th 2019 and then maybe look at your C+ grade.

If all you can come up with is a C+ for that season then you are obviously setting yourself up for failure every time. Go ahead and continue to listen to the coach of the 3 on 3 tournament team. He must know what he is talking about because he has a You Tube Video player/recording and can post them on the internet. Like this is a tough thing to do? Susan Wojcicki is making a mint off that by making it pretty easy.

I'm serious when i say this. The Blazer bashing on this site has gotten way out of hand. People don't come here to be told their favorite team "Sucks" and that they never will ever be successful while such and such is here or in charge. It's gotten to ridiculous proportions and as far as i am concerned we are doing this site a huge disservice by allowing it to continue. It's like if you enjoyed the season and are really looking forward to next year you are put on notice that that kind of behavior isn't allowed around here because 4 or 5 posters don't want people to enjoy the Blazers we have. Craziest part is the oldest and best posters on this site have all pretty much given up the good fight. They just quit coming around because of the hater mentality and the willingness to post without respect and courtesy.

Now as far as your original post? If that is the way you truly feel then i can respect that. But if they happen to get 55 wins next year and another trip to the Conference finals will they again be just better than a C? Seriously? They got to the WCF's in 99 and 2000. Before that they did 3 years 90-91-92 with a couple trips to the finals. The only other time they got this far was 77. So you are saying one of the top 6 years in the teams history only brings a C+. That is out of 49 seasons.

It just boggles the mind that i felt i had to type all that? Of all the recent summers that we really felt we should have been better i just didn't think this was gonna be one.

Get a hold of yourself. If you cant handle people who dont think everything is rainbows and sunshine, then IGNORE them. FFS. Normally Id let this go but... you're sitting here ranting at Tortured? Are you fucking kidding me? And your ranting about me when I'm not even involved and making it personal? How many people live in your head? Get a grip.

You know what grade I give this season? An A-. And I think this roster is better than you do! But I have the "hater mentality"? All I do is bash the team? I'm too negative for you? The only things you have an issue with is that I voice my displeasure with the coach (which you cant handle), and that I think we had some fortune in getting to the WCF. Outside of a couple opinions on certain players (*cough* Evan Turner *cough*), those are the only negative things I have to say.

But if you think I post too much negativity, or you cant handle any of it at all, you have multiple options to relieve your emotional distress. You could be a big boy and ignore me. You could be find another forum to post on. You could throw your phone or computer in the garbage... I dont care. Obviously you need to do something though...

You ironically call me a kid while throwing a temper tantrum crying about people, attacking them, making things personal... and its all over another persons fucking grade? And then you want to complain about the forum not having "respect and courtesy"? Thats the most hypocritical thing I've ever read... All youve shown me is disrespect because you dont like my opinion. I cant remember a time where I attacked you personally. I give you shit for your opinion, just like you do mine. But Im not delusional and I know thats something that will happen on an INTERNET FORUM. I'm fine with that. Yet youve crossed the line and made things personal many times (just like you did here, completely unprovoked), and you want to complain about a lack or respect....

You sit here and whine about the very thing you engage in. You fan the flames in a major way, then cry when you cause a wildfire. Its comical.

Change something. What you're doing aint working for you.

 

[borim69]

With the making it to the WCF high coming down it is time to analyze on what we need to do to advance further. Rose colored glasses are a beautiful thing but let us put them down a minute and be realistic because in life not everyone gets a trophy and there is no Santa Claus. I am not bashing the Blazers because what they did in the post season with what they had was nothing short of amazing and pissed a lot of people off in the process I like that.
Next season we will not have Nurk for most of it and he will probably not be back in form until the next year or maybe the playoffs if we are lucky. Our starting 3/4 guys are not starting 3/4 guys. I do not want Griffen or Love no way and no how I would rather let Zach sink or swim then bring in Griffen to teach him how to flop. Maybe for less money I would a lot less. I would rather target Butler even if it means a CJ trade I think that it would make the Blazers a better team. The points we lose with CJ we would make up with Simons. I would also like to keep Hood and Kantor. It is a tall order but I think that will be a better team going forward.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

So i did a simple GPA on your grades and you gave a team that made the Western Conference Finals a C+ GPA.
What's it take to get a B average around here?
You have been listening to the kid that posts 2-300 times a day bashing the team a bit too much.
That team played it's collective hearts out this season. They gave it everything they had. Some played through injury and took lesser roles to be a team. That team did it for a coach that they respect and has earned that respect. The GM is the one that put that group of players together that achieved everything we witnessed this season. They all did this after losing their biggest and truest fan. The late Paul Allen RIP. Who by the way deserves better than a C+ as does Jody and the way she stepped up. They also did it after one of the most horrific injuries this team and fan base has witnessed. I suggest you go back and read some of your own posts made on March 25th 2019 and then maybe look at your C+ grade.

If all you can come up with is a C+ for that season then you are obviously setting yourself up for failure every time. Go ahead and continue to listen to the coach of the 3 on 3 tournament team. He must know what he is talking about because he has a You Tube Video player/recording and can post them on the internet. Like this is a tough thing to do? Susan Wojcicki is making a mint off that by making it pretty easy.

I'm serious when i say this. The Blazer bashing on this site has gotten way out of hand. People don't come here to be told their favorite team "Sucks" and that they never will ever be successful while such and such is here or in charge. It's gotten to ridiculous proportions and as far as i am concerned we are doing this site a huge disservice by allowing it to continue. It's like if you enjoyed the season and are really looking forward to next year you are put on notice that that kind of behavior isn't allowed around here because 4 or 5 posters don't want people to enjoy the Blazers we have. Craziest part is the oldest and best posters on this site have all pretty much given up the good fight. They just quit coming around because of the hater mentality and the willingness to post without respect and courtesy.

Now as far as your original post? If that is the way you truly feel then i can respect that. But if they happen to get 55 wins next year and another trip to the Conference finals will they again be just better than a C? Seriously? They got to the WCF's in 99 and 2000. Before that they did 3 years 90-91-92 with a couple trips to the finals. The only other time they got this far was 77. So you are saying one of the top 6 years in the teams history only brings a C+. That is out of 49 seasons.

It just boggles the mind that i felt i had to type all that? Of all the recent summers that we really felt we should have been better i just didn't think this was gonna be one.

Just want to say, I wasnt grading on a curve. GS is the only team this year I think had the real chance to get an A overall, but Milwaukee, Toronto and GS are all somewhere in the B, to B+ range. As a reminder Milwaukee had the best regular season record with 60 wins. Which if you look back is good, but not great.

I legitimately dont feel like I bashed the Blazers very hard here.

I enjoyed this season a lot, and they for the most part were who I thought they were. Making it to the WCF’s isnt the goal though as fun as it was to be playing that late into the season, they were 8 wins away. I think averaging it with the categories I gave is somewhat of a mistake, the team can be broken down in many ways I didnt go into. Overall, Id have them as a B, to a B-.

What I’d like to discuss though is if you feel my criticism wasnt fair, then point it out and we can talk about it. Besides our forwards I tried to give some praise to every single group.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

bs...you win and lose as a team...staff and roster ..top to bottom...Kanter won us games, Hood won us games, CJ won us games...Dame is the captain but you win with soldiers.....the lack of respect for that baffles me...if I had that view I'd find a team I could cheer for honestly...I can cheer for this team..mediocre teams DON'T get to the WCF, win a 4OT game....win a series against the 2nd seed on their court.....it's insulting to grade that so low

I think you’re kind of missing this, there were really no great teams in the NBA this year. Milwaukee had the best season at 60 wins. Look at prior years and a lot of the time there are multiple 60+ win teams. There were a lot of pretty good team. Which is actually good news for the NBA they’re heading towards parity.
Yes they win and lose as a team. Maybe too harsh, but I don’t feel like I disrespected the Blazers as much as a few you seem to believe. Which could be my fault for poor communication.

Edit: Just look at the last time the Blazers made it this far. They had 59 wins, thats a significant gap from 53.

 

[CupWizier]

I almost wish we didnt make the wcf so people would notice the obvious flaws in this team.

Just because you make it there doesnt mean youre actually that good.

Its a c team. Without dame were an F.

Were a WCF team because of Dame. Were not a better team because of olshey and stotts.

Wow, not much to follow up on this one. A "Blazer fan" who wishes we did worse. Scratching my head. Lillard is a fantastic player, but he can't do it alone and that's why basketball is a team game. Hard to imagine a better fan than you around this place.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Get a hold of yourself. If you cant handle people who dont think everything is rainbows and sunshine, then IGNORE them. FFS. Normally Id let this go but... you're sitting here ranting at Tortured? Are you fucking kidding me? And your ranting about me when I'm not even involved and making it personal? How many people live in your head? Get a grip.

You know what grade I give this season? An A-. And I think this roster is better than you do! But I have the "hater mentality"? All I do is bash the team? I'm too negative for you? The only things you have an issue with is that I voice my displeasure with the coach (which you cant handle), and that I think we had some fortune in getting to the WCF. Outside of a couple opinions on certain players (*cough* Evan Turner *cough*), those are the only negative things I have to say.

But if you think I post too much negativity, or you cant handle any of it at all, you have multiple options to relieve your emotional distress. You could be a big boy and ignore me. You could be find another forum to post on. You could throw your phone or computer in the garbage... I dont care. Obviously you need to do something though...

You ironically call me a kid while throwing a temper tantrum crying about people, attacking them, making things personal... and its all over another persons fucking grade? And then you want to complain about the forum not having "respect and courtesy"? Thats the most hypocritical thing I've ever read... All youve shown me is disrespect because you dont like my opinion. I cant remember a time where I attacked you personally. I give you shit for your opinion, just like you do mine. But Im not delusional and I know thats something that will happen on an INTERNET FORUM. I'm fine with that. Yet youve crossed the line and made things personal many times (just like you did here, completely unprovoked), and you want to complain about a lack or respect....

You sit here and whine about the very thing you engage in. You fan the flames in a major way, then cry when you cause a wildfire. Its comical.

Change something. What you're doing aint working for you.

Boom!

 

[CupWizier]

I think you’re kind of missing this, there were really no great teams in the NBA this year. Milwaukee had the best season at 60 wins. Look at prior years and a lot of the time there are multiple 60+ win teams. There were a lot of pretty good team. Which is actually good news for the NBA they’re heading towards parity.
Yes they win and lose as a team. Maybe too harsh, but I don’t feel like I disrespected the Blazers as much as a few you seem to believe. Which could be my fault for poor communication.

Edit: Just look at the last time the Blazers made it this far. They had 59 wins, thats a significant gap from 53.

You have mistakenly assumed the teams aren't as good because the records aren't as good. It's called the league has more parity than in the past which many of you guys have been crying for and now it's a detriment to the league when it happens. Would you rather have 2 or 3 teams dominating the league or have a league where it comes down to the last week for many spots to be determined for the playoffs? I prefer the tight competition.

 

[kjironman1]

can I just cut and paste this in every thread?

You most certainly can.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

You have mistakenly assumed the teams aren't as good because the records aren't as good. It's called the league has more parity than in the past which many of you guys have been crying for and now it's a detriment to the league when it happens. Would you rather have 2 or 3 teams dominating the league or have a league where it comes down to the last week for many spots to be determined for the playoffs? I prefer the tight competition.

Having more parity kind of means that teams aren't as good. Parity means less dominant teams, and hopefully less really bad teams. With everyone kind of wrapped together. I like the tight competition and parity, but it does create a situation where the best teams aren't as "good" and the worst teams aren't as bad. At least that is the goal of having 30 teams that are very competitive.

 

[CupWizier]

Given the fact that he was on me for saying the team is shitty, i think tourted has one of the most fair viewpoints of the team.

Not everyone is out to get the team.

I have no problem with TBF as we have been conversing for years, but he did claim we weren't a good team this year and that simply isn't true. You don't finish as a 3rd seed and make it to the WCF (especially missing one of our top players and his backup being severely limited) if you aren't a good.team. Sorry you guys were so disappointed in the team this year, but apparently there is no level of happiness for the team for some of you. Constructive criticism is one thing but when the same criticisms are repeated ad nauseum on a daily basis it becomes very stale very quickly and regardless of what some might think, nothing discussed in this forum changes anything and has nothing to do with what this team does. Good luck in finding your nirvana as it appears you will never find it with this team. If I was always as unhappy with this team as I find some in here are, I would look to find a different hobby.

 

[kjironman1]

Get a hold of yourself. If you cant handle people who dont think everything is rainbows and sunshine, then IGNORE them. FFS. Normally Id let this go but... you're sitting here ranting at Tortured? Are you fucking kidding me? And your ranting about me when I'm not even involved and making it personal? How many people live in your head? Get a grip.

You know what grade I give this season? An A-. And I think this roster is better than you do! But I have the "hater mentality"? All I do is bash the team? I'm too negative for you? The only things you have an issue with is that I voice my displeasure with the coach (which you cant handle), and that I think we had some fortune in getting to the WCF. Outside of a couple opinions on certain players (*cough* Evan Turner *cough*), those are the only negative things I have to say.

But if you think I post too much negativity, or you cant handle any of it at all, you have multiple options to relieve your emotional distress. You could be a big boy and ignore me. You could be find another forum to post on. You could throw your phone or computer in the garbage... I dont care. Obviously you need to do something though...

You ironically call me a kid while throwing a temper tantrum crying about people, attacking them, making things personal... and its all over another persons fucking grade? And then you want to complain about the forum not having "respect and courtesy"? Thats the most hypocritical thing I've ever read... All youve shown me is disrespect because you dont like my opinion. I cant remember a time where I attacked you personally. I give you shit for your opinion, just like you do mine. But Im not delusional and I know thats something that will happen on an INTERNET FORUM. I'm fine with that. Yet youve crossed the line and made things personal many times (just like you did here, completely unprovoked), and you want to complain about a lack or respect....

You sit here and whine about the very thing you engage in. You fan the flames in a major way, then cry when you cause a wildfire. Its comical.

Change something. What you're doing aint working for you.

You think that was a temper tantrum? And you think it's me that needs to change something? But of course i'm not the one that was on S2 arguing with multiple posters all day yesterday about the same thing over and over again.
Go ahead and look at my post count kid. Now i have another full day ahead of me. I'll be back and check on the forum again when i am done with my day.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I have no problem with TBF as we have been conversing for years, but he did claim we weren't a good team this year and that simply isn't true. You don't finish as a 3rd seed and make it to the WCF (especially missing one of our top players and his backup being severely limited) if you aren't a good.team. Sorry you guys were so disappointed in the team this year, but apparently there is no level of happiness for the team for some of you. Constructive criticism is one thing but when the same criticisms are repeated ad nauseum on a daily basis it becomes very stale very quickly and regardless of what some might think, nothing discussed in this forum changes anything and has nothing to do with what this team does. Good luck in finding your nirvana as it appears you will never find it with this team. If I was always as unhappy with this team as I find some in are are, I would look to find a different hobby.

I'm actually not that unhappy with the team. When I said they weren't a good team it was in reference to a healthy GS team. However I'm unhappy with some aspects of the team, I'm sort of optimistic about next year. Though it'll be an interesting summer with some hard decisions they have to make. Also not totally sure what to expect in terms of Nurkic. I'm hoping by the end of the season he's played himself into basketball shape and they can make another run at it.

 

[CupWizier]

Having more parity kind of means that teams aren't as good. Parity means less dominant teams, and hopefully less really bad teams. With everyone kind of wrapped together. I like the tight competition and parity, but it does create a situation where the best teams aren't as "good" and the worst teams aren't as bad. At least that is the goal of having 30 teams that are very competitive.

Huh? Parity doesn't mean the top teams become worse. Let's say in theory that the bottom 4 teams in each division improved 5 wins more than the year past because they improved their talent. That's 40 more losses for teams above them. In order to get those 5 wins each they would have to beat the teams above them thus creating more losses for better teams thus parity. That doesn't mean the top teams got worse.

I remember after last years playoffs all the doom and gloom in this forum about how we will never be good and that the Pelicans exposed us in the playoffs. Where were the Pelicans this year and where did we finish? That's why I don;t overreact up or down and have more patience. I just take it one year at a time and enjoy the journey. Makes for a lot less frustrating life.

 

[CupWizier]

You think that was a temper tantrum? And you think it's me that needs to change something? But of course i'm not the one that was on S2 arguing with multiple posters all day yesterday about the same thing over and over again.
Go ahead and look at my post count kid. Now i have another full day ahead of me. I'll be back and check on the forum again when i am done with my day.

Hey, take it easy on bonesy 2.0 as he had a serious knee injury his first year in college that limited him to playing in all 27 games otherwise he'd be in the NBA by now.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Huh? Parity doesn't mean the top teams become worse. Let's say in theory that the bottom 4 teams in each division improved 5 wins more than the year past because they improved their talent. That's 40 more losses for teams above them. In order to get those 5 wins each they would have to beat the teams above them thus creating more losses for better teams thus parity. That doesn't mean the top teams got worse.

I remember after last years playoffs all the doom and gloom in this forum about how we will never be good and that the Pelicans exposed us in the playoffs. Where were the Pelicans this year and where did we finish? That's why I don;t overreact up or down and have more patience. I just take it one year at a time and enjoy the journey. Makes for a lot less frustrating life.

It means that the talent is spread around to more teams, which means the dominant teams can't have as much talent. It means the bottom teams have more talent. The bad teams handing the good teams more losses is part of the equation, but the other side of parity is that the good teams hand the bad teams more win, by getting worse. The way the NBA tries to establish parity is by the Salary Cap and the cba rules, which is entirely meant to keep super teams from happening and good players to stay with their franchise longer. It is my opinion that parity is an attempt to drag everyone towards the mean, both the good and the bad teams are part of that.

 

[kjironman1]

Just want to say, I wasnt grading on a curve.

That isn't a "Curve" grade TBF
That is the sum of your grades and the average. I'm a teacher. Your C+ is a hard grading system.
You gave the Guards an A and that is the only reason you got up to C+. It's actually funny because that has been the thing a bunch of the NEGS want changed. The first name that comes up when trade discussion comes up is CJ. Except maybe Meyers and ET if that is your preference.
Then you gave the Centers a B+ but seem to completely side step the fact that they went to the WCF's without their starting center. Why did that happen? Because the GM who got a C+ made huge moves and shored up the team and don't you even think for a second that the Blazers would not have been way better with Nurk and Kanter as a one two punch.
Oh yeah and then there is the coach. C..... But all three of the other coaches that made conference finals are great coaches. You can't even see a B out of that?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

That isn't a "Curve" grade TBF
That is the sum of your grades and the average. I'm a teacher. Your C+ is a hard grading system.
You gave the Guards an A and that is the only reason you got up to C+. It's actually funny because that has been the thing a bunch of the NEGS want changed. The first name that comes up when trade discussion comes up is CJ. Except maybe Meyers and ET if that is your preference.
Then you gave the Centers a B+ but seem to completely side step the fact that they went to the WCF's without their starting center. Why did that happen? Because the GM who got a C+ made huge moves and shored up the team and don't you even think for a second that the Blazers would not have been way better with Nurk and Kanter as a one two punch.
Oh yeah and then there is the coach. C..... But all three of the other coaches that made conference finals are great coaches. You can't even see a B out of that?

When did I say Kerr, Nurse or Budenholzer were great coaches? It is grading on a curve you think that top should all be given A's or B's because they're at the top. Even if they don't really deserve an A score-wise. I'm saying the best teams this year are only B to B+ teams. There really isn't an A out there. Grading on a curve means the top of the class gets A's, even if the top of the class hit 80 percent.
I actually see Budenholzer much like I see Stotts I think he's a much better regular season coach than a playoff coach.
the "negs" as you call them only bring up CJ because he's the most significant trade chip that could (maybe) net them a big-time guy when packaged with other pieces.

 

[kjironman1]

Hey, take it easy on bonesy 2.0 as he had a serious knee injury his first year in college that limited him to playing in all 27 games otherwise he'd be in the NBA by now.

I know. Serious Knee injury. I get a full ride scholarship Division One Baseball and play Red Shirt in Football plus out of College go Professional in Rugby for the Portland Jesters (ORSU) and make the American Eagles 2 years. Then play for the Army Rangers RFC between deployments but this kid thinks he has some kind of special experience. We better go easy on him for sure.

 

[kjironman1]

When did I say Kerr, Nurse or Budenholzer were great coaches?

I got to this line and am in disbelief?
Are you actually saying they are not great coaches?
Never mind TBF.
I got a bunch to do today. No time for this.
Hope you enjoy your day.

 

[CupWizier]

It means that the talent is spread around to more teams, which means the dominant teams can't have as much talent. It means the bottom teams have more talent. The bad teams handing the good teams more losses is part of the equation, but the other side of parity is that the good teams hand the bad teams more win, by getting worse. The way the NBA tries to establish parity is by the Salary Cap and the cba rules, which is entirely meant to keep super teams from happening and good players to stay with their franchise longer. It is my opinion that parity is an attempt to drag everyone towards the mean, both the good and the bad teams are part of that.

Well, let's just leave it as I think the Blazers were a pretty good team this year.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I got to this line and am in disbelief?
Are you actually saying they are not great coaches?
Never mind TBF.
I got a bunch to do today. No time for this.
Hope you enjoy your day.

I think Kerr is, I'm not sure about Nurse definitely a great 1st year, but it's one year. Budenholzer I already said I think he's a really good regular season coach not sure after that.
Have yourself a good day.

 

[dviss1]

This analysis ignores what we learned in the Playoffs where we were close to beating GSW and winning the WCF. In WCF Games 3 and 4, Terry started Meyers with the revelation that there for significant stretches of the game, we could beat GSW with the combination of better shooting, screening, passing, rebounding, and physical defense. With the combination of Zach, Meyers, Dame, CJ, and Rod playing at their best, we led and might have prevailed. What is needed is to add plays with passing that the Raptors have shown breaks down GSW blitzes and double-teams, to make substitutions to keep up intensity, and to feed the hot hand.

The major new achievement this year was getting a 15+ point lead over GSW in the WCF, and we did it in 3 games! We also celebrated 5 consecutive swish3 scores (and 25 points) in the 1st half of Game 4 that could have been carried through in the 2nd half for a win if we featured plays for Meyers. And expanding on that new success and also featuring our growing strengths, next year we will take the next steps. With the outstanding performance that we saw in that game, next season we can continue as we start Meyers at Center (or alternate with Nurk on his return) and can rely on 20-30 PPG Center scoring while adding 12+ PPG scoring from Zach and Rodney and opening more shots for Dame and CJ as our scoring power progresses.

Instead of a tortured outlook, let's celebrate what we accomplished this season, plan to power ahead, and look forward to a Championship next year!

I liked this post. But from now on your quota for swish3's in a post is at least 3.

Figure. It. Out.

 

[riverman]

You could be a big boy and ignore me.

actually ignoring you doesn't work....something to do with you being on the 3 on 3 team....

 

[dviss1]

So i did a simple GPA on your grades and you gave a team that made the Western Conference Finals a C+ GPA.
What's it take to get a B average around here?
You have been listening to the kid that posts 2-300 times a day bashing the team a bit too much.
That team played it's collective hearts out this season. They gave it everything they had. Some played through injury and took lesser roles to be a team. That team did it for a coach that they respect and has earned that respect. The GM is the one that put that group of players together that achieved everything we witnessed this season. They all did this after losing their biggest and truest fan. The late Paul Allen RIP. Who by the way deserves better than a C+ as does Jody and the way she stepped up. They also did it after one of the most horrific injuries this team and fan base has witnessed. I suggest you go back and read some of your own posts made on March 25th 2019 and then maybe look at your C+ grade.

If all you can come up with is a C+ for that season then you are obviously setting yourself up for failure every time. Go ahead and continue to listen to the coach of the 3 on 3 tournament team. He must know what he is talking about because he has a You Tube Video player/recording and can post them on the internet. Like this is a tough thing to do? Susan Wojcicki is making a mint off that by making it pretty easy.

I'm serious when i say this. The Blazer bashing on this site has gotten way out of hand. People don't come here to be told their favorite team "Sucks" and that they never will ever be successful while such and such is here or in charge. It's gotten to ridiculous proportions and as far as i am concerned we are doing this site a huge disservice by allowing it to continue. It's like if you enjoyed the season and are really looking forward to next year you are put on notice that that kind of behavior isn't allowed around here because 4 or 5 posters don't want people to enjoy the Blazers we have. Craziest part is the oldest and best posters on this site have all pretty much given up the good fight. They just quit coming around because of the hater mentality and the willingness to post without respect and courtesy.

Now as far as your original post? If that is the way you truly feel then i can respect that. But if they happen to get 55 wins next year and another trip to the Conference finals will they again be just better than a C? Seriously? They got to the WCF's in 99 and 2000. Before that they did 3 years 90-91-92 with a couple trips to the finals. The only other time they got this far was 77. So you are saying one of the top 6 years in the teams history only brings a C+. That is out of 49 seasons.

It just boggles the mind that i felt i had to type all that? Of all the recent summers that we really felt we should have been better i just didn't think this was gonna be one.

This post doesn't show respect the the OP. It wreaks of ignorance and accusation of @TorturedBlazerFan not thinking for himself. The name of the thread is

Tortured’s State of the Blazers.

NOT @BonesJones state. I've met TBF and know for a FACT he thinks for himself. So to you and the others that liked your post, PUT SOME RESPECT ON HIS NAME....

If you're gonna talk shit... You should at least tag bones in the post.