TPEs (Traded Player Exceptions)

[TorturedBlazerFan]

He is!! He said they’re gonna be aggressive. You don’t believe him?

I’m of the opinion I hope he uses it even if it’s a player that doesn’t make me “excited” at least it’s something...

 

[Scalma]

I’m of the opinion I hope he uses it even if it’s a player that doesn’t make me “excited” at least it’s something...

Lol he’s not using it for anything.

I wish we had a GM who didn’t take the off in offseason literally.

 

[e_blazer]

I’m of the opinion I hope he uses it even if it’s a player that doesn’t make me “excited” at least it’s something...

If he uses it, and that's looking like a non-event, it had damn well better be for a player who has the potential to make the team significantly better. How can you hope he uses it just to do "something" and still have any room to complain about ET's or Meyers's contracts?

 

[Hobbesarable]

If he uses it, and that's looking like a non-event, it had damn well better be for a player who has the potential to make the team significantly better. How can you just hope he uses it just to do "something" and still have any room to complain about ET's or Meyer's contracts?

We don't need to add upon this cap crippling cluster bomb unless it is for a significant improvement as you suggested.

I think it's obvious NO and PA wanted to get the team's salary under control a little more while with the bargain bin hunting they completed during the draft and FA period.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

If he uses it, and that's looking like a non-event, it had damn well better be for a player who has the potential to make the team significantly better. How can you hope he uses it just to do "something" and still have any room to complain about ET's or Meyers's contracts?

I understand, I just don’t want to hear how great an asset is and then see it go completely unused...

 

[Phatguysrule]

Not really lol

How else could you possibly interpret what he said?

Did you honestly think he was going to force other teams to trade with us? Did you think he could read the future?

Am I missing the promise to make a deal somewhere?

 

[e_blazer]

I understand, I just don’t want to hear how great an asset is and then see it go completely unused...

I hear what you're saying, and I've said previously that I think NO oversold the TPE as an asset. It was a tool that, in combination with the Blazers' first round pick COULD have brought back an experienced player. When that didn't happen, it just became a vehicle for teams to look to the Blazers as a dumping place for bad contracts.

 

[RR7]

RLEC all over again? Oversold trade asset that nets us nothing

 

[Chris Craig]

And that's probably 9pm pacific

Yes

 

[James lamphear]

Only way we use that tpe only if we have a trade all line up too. We already got 15 on the roster and you can't use tpe with a trade for others players.

 

[Scalma]

Only way we use that tpe only if we have a trade all line up too. We already got 15 on the roster and you can't use tpe with a trade for others players.

Technically we could. But we’d have to clear a spot before the season starts.

 

[hoopsjock]

Only way we use that tpe only if we have a trade all line up too. We already got 15 on the roster and you can't use tpe with a trade for others players.

In the off season you can carry up to 20 players.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

you can't use tpe with a trade for others players.

Not quite. You just can't aggregate the TPE with players in order to match salaries. We could absolutely trade a low-salary player like Swanigan or Layman for a higher salary player coming in on the TPE.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Lol he’s not using it for anything.

I wish we had a GM who didn’t take the off in offseason literally.

You want him to be more active? Like he was during the Summer of 2016? Given his track record, I think this is exactly the time of year we want him taking a vacation.

He already turned over 27% of the roster by adding two rookies, including 1 via trade, and signing 2 free agents. He also resigned Nurk to a team friendly deal. Again, I'll take this, both short term and long term, over of Summer of 2016 like debacle.

Looking over this list:

87. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist $13,000,000
87. Khris Middleton $13,000,000
89. Mason Plumlee $12,917,808
90. Wilson Chandler $12,800
91. Solomon Hill $12,763,467
92. Nikola Vucevic $12,750,000
93. Dion Waiters $12,705,000
94. Austin Rivers $12,650,000
95. Joe Ingles $12,545,455
96. Jeremy Lin $12,516,746
97. Jordan Clarkson $12,500,000
97. Nikola Mirotic $12,500,000
99. Miles Plumlee $12,400,000
99. Tyreke Evans $12,400,000
101. Courtney Lee $12,253,780
102. Kemba Walker $12,000,000
102. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope $12,000,000
104. TJ Warren $11,750,000
105. Zach Randolph $11,692,308
106. Patrick Mills $11,571,429
107. Alec Burks $11,536,515
108. Omer Asik $11,977,527
109. Kelly Olynyk $11,137,527
110. Jusuf Nurkic $11,111,111
111. Iman Shumpert $11,011,234
112. Moe Harkless $10,837,079
113. Tony Snell $10,607,143
114. Dante Exum $10,600,000
115. Meyers Leonard $10,595,506
116. John Henson $10,577,466
117. Bojan Bogdanovic $10,500,000
117. Mirza Teletovic $10,500,000
117. Terrence Ross $10,500,000
120. Robert Covington $10,464,092
121. Jon Leuer $10,002,681
122. Andre Roberson $10,000,000
122. Darren Collison $10,000,000
122. Danny Green $10,000,000

I don't see anyone who would be available for the TPE who would be an upgrade over Moe Harkless. Sure, Middleton and Covington would be significant upgrades, but you aren't getting either for a TPE.

I wanted Courtney Lee in the past, but we are now plenty deep at guard and Lee doesn't have the size to be a starting SF. He could play the 3 for spot minutes in 3-guard lineups, but I'd rather just give those minutes to Trent Jr. as Lee is almost 33 and won't be hear long term, while Trent Jr. will be.

So, given the choices unless Neil can pull a rabbit out of his ass and somehow land a significant upgrade, (like Middleton or Covington), I don't see any real benefit of using the TE on someone who won't make us better short term or long.

BNM

 

[Scalma]

You want him to be more active? Like he was during the Summer of 2016? Given his track record, I think this is exactly the time of year we want him taking a vacation.

He already turned over 27% of the roster by adding two rookies, including 1 via trade, and signing 2 free agents. He also resigned Nurk to a team friendly deal. Again, I'll take this, both short term and long term, over of Summer of 2016 like debacle.

Looking over this list:

87. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist $13,000,000
87. Khris Middleton $13,000,000
89. Mason Plumlee $12,917,808
90. Wilson Chandler $12,800
91. Solomon Hill $12,763,467
92. Nikola Vucevic $12,750,000
93. Dion Waiters $12,705,000
94. Austin Rivers $12,650,000
95. Joe Ingles $12,545,455
96. Jeremy Lin $12,516,746
97. Jordan Clarkson $12,500,000
97. Nikola Mirotic $12,500,000
99. Miles Plumlee $12,400,000
99. Tyreke Evans $12,400,000
101. Courtney Lee $12,253,780
102. Kemba Walker $12,000,000
102. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope $12,000,000
104. TJ Warren $11,750,000
105. Zach Randolph $11,692,308
106. Patrick Mills $11,571,429
107. Alec Burks $11,536,515
108. Omer Asik $11,977,527
109. Kelly Olynyk $11,137,527
110. Jusuf Nurkic $11,111,111
111. Iman Shumpert $11,011,234
112. Moe Harkless $10,837,079
113. Tony Snell $10,607,143
114. Dante Exum $10,600,000
115. Meyers Leonard $10,595,506
116. John Henson $10,577,466
117. Bojan Bogdanovic $10,500,000
117. Mirza Teletovic $10,500,000
117. Terrence Ross $10,500,000
120. Robert Covington $10,464,092
121. Jon Leuer $10,002,681
122. Andre Roberson $10,000,000
122. Darren Collison $10,000,000
122. Danny Green $10,000,000

I don't see anyone who would be available for the TPE who would be an upgrade over Moe Harkless. Sure, Middleton and Covington would be significant upgrades, but you aren't getting either for a TPE.

I wanted Courtney Lee in the past, but we are now plenty deep at guard and Lee doesn't have the size to be a starting SF. He could play the 3 for spot minutes in 3-guard lineups, but I'd rather just give those minutes to Trent Jr. as Lee is almost 33 and won't be hear long term, while Trent Jr. will be.

So, given the choices unless Neil can pull a rabbit out of his ass and somehow land a significant upgrade, (like Middleton or Covington), I don't see any real benefit of using the TE on someone who won't make us better short term or long.

BNM

Those aren’t the only players he could theoretically acquire with the TPE. There are even rookie scale guys he could’ve gone after. But that would’ve cost money.

And if we’re still paying for 2016, why is he here?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Those aren’t the only players he could theoretically acquire with the TPE. There are even rookie scale guys he could’ve gone after. But that would’ve cost money.

And if we’re still paying for 2016, why is he here?

Who is going to give up a rookie scale, or other cheap player, who is good enough to matter for a TPE? Seriously? Who is that dumb? So what do we have to do, include a future pick in the trade just to get a player who won't make us any better? I'd rather keep the pick.

Tell me, who exactly can we get for the TPE today that would make us better, and why would their current team be willing to give them away for nothing?

I suspect he's still here because he killed the Nurk trade, drafts well (guards, at least) and was able to resign Nurk to a team friendly deal. Yeah, he fucked up and overspent in 2016. So did many others. Not saying that makes it excusable, but it was a freak event when a whole shit ton of players ended up getting grotesquely overpaid.

He made his bed, but he has been slowly righting his wrongs. The Nurk trade was huge. He's more talented than any free agent we have ever signed on the open market, and he got him for a lesser player we were going to let walk anyway - and that lesser player makes more per season coming off the bench for DEN than Nurk makes starting for POR. The Nurk trade and resigning wasn't just a home run, it was a walk off grand slam.

He just stole two young talents in the draft, and given the organization's track record for developing guards, I'm excited about both. I'll take each and every one of of Nurk, Simons and Trent Jr. over anyone we could realistically get with the TPE.

Perhaps Neil oversold the value of the Crabbe TPE, but I'd rather see him let it expire than doubling down on his past mistakes (matching the Crabbe offer sheet) in an attempt to save face.

BNM

 

[Scalma]

Who is going to give up a rookie scale, or other cheap player, who is good enough to matter for a TPE? Seriously? Who is that dumb? So what do we have to do, include a future pick in the trade just to get a player who won't make us any better? I'd rather keep the pick.

Rookie scale guys get dumped all the time. May have had to add a second rounder but that ain’t a big deal. We got Harkless for a PROTECTED second in 2076. We got Thomas Robinson like a year after he was drafted for seconds. It’s not about getting a massive upgrade. It’s about getting someone better and with more of an upside than Nik Stauskas. Olshey settled on Stauskas because he was cheap.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Rookie scale guys get dumped all the time. May have had to add a second rounder but that ain’t a big deal. We got Harkless for a PROTECTED second in 2076. We got Thomas Robinson like a year after he was drafted for seconds. It’s not about getting a massive upgrade. It’s about getting someone better and with more of an upside than Nik Stauskas. Olshey settled on Stauskas because he was cheap.

Even though I see them as totally differently players, Stauskas and Robinson were both SAC lottery picks that didn't live up to expectations. Multiple teams gave up on both, and Neil picked them up on the cheap. Given our team's ability to develop guards and our abject failure at developing young bigs, I think Stauskas may prove more worthwhile then TRob. If not, he was incredibly cheap and will be gone after a year.

Sure, he was cheap (doesn't get much cheaper than a 1-year min contract), but he's also 6'6" and can shoot. That will allow the team more small ball, 3-guard options. I hope Trent Jr. will eventually wrestle those minute from Stauskas (the sooner the better IMHO), and if so, the 1-year contract length makes sense.

But, we're talking about guys in the bottom 1/3 of the depth chart (i.e. guys who don't really matter in the grand scheme of things). Will you really be disappointed if we don't use the Crabbe TPE to shore up the end of the end of the bench?

BNM

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Even though I see them as totally differently players, Stauskas and Robinson were both SAC lottery picks that didn't live up to expectations. Multiple teams gave up on both, and Neil picked them up on the cheap. Given our team's ability to develop guards and our abject failure at developing young bigs, I think Stauskas may prove more worthwhile then TRob. If not, he was incredibly cheap and will be gone after a year.

Sure, he was cheap (doesn't get much cheaper than a 1-year min contract), but he's also 6'6" and can shoot. That will allow the team more small ball, 3-guard options. I hope Trent Jr. will eventually wrestle those minute from Stauskas (the sooner the better IMHO), and if so, the 1-year contract length makes sense.

But, we're talking about guys in the bottom 1/3 of the depth chart (i.e. guys who don't really matter in the grand scheme of things). Will you really be disappointed if we don't use the Crabbe TPE to shore up the end of the end of the bench?

BNM

Could've been used in many ways. For instance, let's say Olshey's pursuing a Blake for Turner/Aminu/Swanigan deal, but they hedge; then we say, "Fine, we'll also take Jon Leuer's ridiculous contract into our TPE." Boom--TPE is useful.

BTW, both teams would benefit from that deal--it should totally happen. But it won't.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Could've been used in many ways. For instance, let's say Olshey's pursuing a Blake for Turner/Aminu/Swanigan deal, but they hedge; then we say, "Fine, we'll also take Jon Leuer's ridiculous contract into our TPE." Boom--TPE is useful.

BTW, both teams would benefit from that deal--it should totally happen. But it won't.

Yep, it can be used to take back a shitty contract in exchange for a worthwhile upgrade. We just need to convince someone to take one of our even shittier contracts.

BNM

 

[Scalma]

Could've been used in many ways. For instance, let's say Olshey's pursuing a Blake for Turner/Aminu/Swanigan deal, but they hedge; then we say, "Fine, we'll also take Jon Leuer's ridiculous contract into our TPE." Boom--TPE is useful.

BTW, both teams would benefit from that deal--it should totally happen. But it won't.

This. They could’ve gotten creative with it. But that would’ve required Olshey to cut his Bahamas trip short.

I want to see a commitment to winning. So far I haven’t seen that in two years, and the guy responsible for the reason why, is still here, peddling the same bullshit. Not buying it anymore.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Could've been used in many ways. For instance, let's say Olshey's pursuing a Blake for Turner/Aminu/Swanigan deal, but they hedge; then we say, "Fine, we'll also take Jon Leuer's ridiculous contract into our TPE." Boom--TPE is useful.

BTW, both teams would benefit from that deal--it should totally happen. But it won't.

Neil just doesn't want to take any chances though.

 

[hoopsjock]

This. They could’ve gotten creative with it. But that would’ve required Olshey to cut his Bahamas trip short.

I want to see a commitment to winning. So far I haven’t seen that in two years, and the guy responsible for the reason why, is still here, peddling the same bullshit. Not buying it anymore.

I'm not saying that Olshey doesn't deserve blame for this too, but the guy responsible for the reason why is Paul Allen. There is a time where he would've allowed Olshey to do whatever it takes to keep a guy like Lillard happy no matter how high the payroll got. Now he doesn't even want to pay the tax.

Edit: I think Allen is a good owner, for the record.

 

[Scalma]

I'm not saying that Olshey doesn't deserve blame for this too, but the guy responsible for the reason why is Paul Allen. There is a time where he would've allowed Olshey to do whatever it takes to keep a guy like Lillard happy no matter how high the payroll got. Now he doesn't even want to pay the tax.

Edit: I think Allen is a good owner, for the record.

You’re right, Allen deserves blame too. But do we really want to see Olshey with financial freedom again?

 

[RR7]

You want him to be more active? Like he was during the Summer of 2016? Given his track record, I think this is exactly the time of year we want him taking a vacation.

He already turned over 27% of the roster by adding two rookies, including 1 via trade, and signing 2 free agents. He also resigned Nurk to a team friendly deal. Again, I'll take this, both short term and long term, over of Summer of 2016 like debacle.

Looking over this list:

87. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist $13,000,000
87. Khris Middleton $13,000,000
89. Mason Plumlee $12,917,808
90. Wilson Chandler $12,800
91. Solomon Hill $12,763,467
92. Nikola Vucevic $12,750,000
93. Dion Waiters $12,705,000
94. Austin Rivers $12,650,000
95. Joe Ingles $12,545,455
96. Jeremy Lin $12,516,746
97. Jordan Clarkson $12,500,000
97. Nikola Mirotic $12,500,000
99. Miles Plumlee $12,400,000
99. Tyreke Evans $12,400,000
101. Courtney Lee $12,253,780
102. Kemba Walker $12,000,000
102. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope $12,000,000
104. TJ Warren $11,750,000
105. Zach Randolph $11,692,308
106. Patrick Mills $11,571,429
107. Alec Burks $11,536,515
108. Omer Asik $11,977,527
109. Kelly Olynyk $11,137,527
110. Jusuf Nurkic $11,111,111
111. Iman Shumpert $11,011,234
112. Moe Harkless $10,837,079
113. Tony Snell $10,607,143
114. Dante Exum $10,600,000
115. Meyers Leonard $10,595,506
116. John Henson $10,577,466
117. Bojan Bogdanovic $10,500,000
117. Mirza Teletovic $10,500,000
117. Terrence Ross $10,500,000
120. Robert Covington $10,464,092
121. Jon Leuer $10,002,681
122. Andre Roberson $10,000,000
122. Darren Collison $10,000,000
122. Danny Green $10,000,000

I don't see anyone who would be available for the TPE who would be an upgrade over Moe Harkless. Sure, Middleton and Covington would be significant upgrades, but you aren't getting either for a TPE.

I wanted Courtney Lee in the past, but we are now plenty deep at guard and Lee doesn't have the size to be a starting SF. He could play the 3 for spot minutes in 3-guard lineups, but I'd rather just give those minutes to Trent Jr. as Lee is almost 33 and won't be hear long term, while Trent Jr. will be.

So, given the choices unless Neil can pull a rabbit out of his ass and somehow land a significant upgrade, (like Middleton or Covington), I don't see any real benefit of using the TE on someone who won't make us better short term or long.

BNM

Not on that list, because it goes lower, but I think Marcus Morris could be a solid add for the TPE at the 3/4 spot of the rotation. Morris makes 5.3 this season. Also, Boston is 3 million over the LT. Not a huge amount, they're a really good team, not looking at a huge tax bill. But they'll certainly jump way higher if they keep Irving next year, so similar to us last season waiting an additional year before starting that repeater clock, they can wait 1 year by moving him and ducking under. He was solid for them, so why do they do it?

Depth chart for Boston:

Irving/Rozier
Brown/Smart
Hayward/Bird
Tatum/Ojeleye/Theis/Yabusele
Horford/Baynes

The rotation sees a LOT of mixing and matching between their wings. Tatum plays the 3, Hayward 2/3, Brown 2/3, Ojeleye and Yabusele 3/4. With enough guys to easily cover his minutes, Morris is a luxury, but enough to justify the tax?
Moving Smart for the TPE moves them from 3 over to a bit over 2 under. With the tax penalty, it saves an immediate 6 million, and if they stay under, gives them a chunk of the tax payment, making it even more $$ in the owner's pockets before bigger paydays for guys come up soon.

For us, I don't know if he for sure starts over Harkless, but he's a guy who can give us really good minutes at the 3 and 4, stretch the floor a little with his shooting, at 36%, not gonna kill us on defense, and had a lot of good playoff experience, checking that box.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Not on that list, because it goes lower, but I think Marcus Morris could be a solid add for the TPE at the 3/4 spot of the rotation. Morris makes 5.3 this season. Also, Boston is 3 million over the LT. Not a huge amount, they're a really good team, not looking at a huge tax bill. But they'll certainly jump way higher if they keep Irving next year, so similar to us last season waiting an additional year before starting that repeater clock, they can wait 1 year by moving him and ducking under. He was solid for them, so why do they do it?

Depth chart for Boston:

Irving/Rozier
Brown/Smart
Hayward/Bird
Tatum/Ojeleye/Theis/Yabusele
Horford/Baynes

The rotation sees a LOT of mixing and matching between their wings. Tatum plays the 3, Hayward 2/3, Brown 2/3, Ojeleye and Yabusele 3/4. With enough guys to easily cover his minutes, Morris is a luxury, but enough to justify the tax?
Moving Smart for the TPE moves them from 3 over to a bit over 2 under. With the tax penalty, it saves an immediate 6 million, and if they stay under, gives them a chunk of the tax payment, making it even more $$ in the owner's pockets before bigger paydays for guys come up soon.

For us, I don't know if he for sure starts over Harkless, but he's a guy who can give us really good minutes at the 3 and 4, stretch the floor a little with his shooting, at 36%, not gonna kill us on defense, and had a lot of good playoff experience, checking that box.

Not a big fan of the Morris Brothers but I do like this idea!

 

[Phatguysrule]

RLEC all over again? Oversold trade asset that nets us nothing

Oversold by who? They said they were viewing it as space to use to improve the team. That is not a guarantee that they are going to spend it. What did you want them to do, go out and bring in the next Evan Turner?

In other words, if somebody is available who will vault us into contention, and we can get that player using the TPE, we'll do it. I've seen nothing that would indicate otherwise...

 

[BBert]

This. They could’ve gotten creative with it. But that would’ve required Olshey to cut his Bahamas trip short.

I want to see a commitment to winning. So far I haven’t seen that in two years, and the guy responsible for the reason why, is still here, peddling the same bullshit. Not buying it anymore.

If Olshey's commitment to winning matched RipCityTwo's commitment to whining, the Blazers would be in the finals, baby!!

 

[Scalma]

Oversold by who? They said they were viewing it as space to use to improve the team. That is not a guarantee that they are going to spend it. What did you want them to do, go out and bring in the next Evan Turner?

In other words, if somebody is available who will vault us into contention, and we can get that player using the TPE, we'll do it. I've seen nothing that would indicate otherwise...

So which one is it?

 

[Phatguysrule]

So which one is it?

Well, we got the 3 seed in the west last season. If we could get a guy who would get us into the top 2 I think they probably would have pulled the trigger... Don't you?