TPEs (Traded Player Exceptions)

[Hoopguru]

Both!

But Olshey doesn't have the guts.

Listen, if Paul didn't think he had the balls, he wouldn't be here. He and the Vulcans can asses weather someone has what it takes probably as good or better than any org in the league. To be a GM in this league you have balls. I think its more he wants a certain player if he trades either CJ or Dame (trading Dame requires balls) but I believe he'd do it for the right deal. Everyone is tradable, and it cant be a lop sided deal.
CJ's & Dames value is only going up so be patient and see what happens this year.

 

[BBert]

Listen, if Paul didn't think he had the balls, he wouldn't be here. He and the Vulcans can asses weather someone has what it takes probably as good or better than any org in the league. To be a GM in this league you have balls. I think its more he wants a certain player if he trades either CJ or Dame (trading Dame requires balls) but I believe he'd do it for the right deal. Everyone is tradable, and it cant be a lop sided deal.
CJ's & Dames value is only going up so be patient and see what happens this year.

Uh-oh. I guess my snarky sarcasm wasn't obvious enough

It's all good!

 

[Hoopguru]

Uh-oh. I guess my snarky sarcasm wasn't obvious enough

It's all good!

Sorry man, I wasn't trying to be argumentative at all. I shouldn't have started my sentence with "listen".

 

[BBert]

Sorry man, I wasn't trying to be argumentative at all. I shouldn't have started my sentence with "listen".

It's cool. I've already whiffed twice today with heavy sarcasm haha. I just didn't want you to think I seriously thought that.

 

[tester551]

Would you feel better if he got into a bidding war and offered Dame? Because that's what it would have taken...

There's a huge difference between willing to trade CJ and including Dame.
I don't belive that Dame would have had to be included. That's a false narrative...

CJ + Collins + pick is about equal to what Spurs got. Neil Olshey apparently wasn't willing to even offer that to legitimately get us I to the discussion.

That's the issue I'm having with NO. He says he is going to be agressive to improve the team, but all the reports say he's trying to low-ball everyone with offers that have no chance of being accepted

 

[Boob-No-More]

I would’ve felt better if he offered CJ.

Derozan is a lot closer to CJ as a player than he is to Dame. PERs of 17.7 and 17.2 and their offensive and defensive ratings were literally identical.

And Collins would’ve been more attractive than Poeltl.

You're leaving out one very important point, Pop specifically said he was not trading Kawhi to a Western Conference team. Matching TOR's offer with C.J., Collins and a 1st would not have been enough. To get Pop to change his mind, our offer would have had to trump TOR's offer and the only trump card in Neil's hand was Damian Lillard.

Plus, you have no idea what Neil offered. He very well could have offered C.J. + Collins, but he's not going to come out and say, we tried to trade C.J., but SAS preferred TOR's offer.

BNM

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I don't think he was connecting the 26 to Collins. I think he was looking at the draft as a whole, saying the 3 picks were turned into Collins and nothing, and that the nothing wasn't worth mentioning.

Well, by that token.... we traded the early-90’s Blazers for the Jail Blazers for the lotto-era teams for LMA’s Blazers for the current Blazers.
And we still have nothing to show for it....

 

[Boob-No-More]

There's a huge difference between willing to trade CJ and including Dame.
I don't belive that Dame would have had to be included. That's a false narrative...

Really? Is the fact that Pops said he wasn't going to trade Kawhi to a Western Conference team also a false narrative?

CJ + Collins + pick is about equal to what Spurs got.

About equal (I still maintain DeRozan is a slightly better player, but the margin is small). It would have had to be measurably better to get Pop to even consider trading Kawhi to a Western Conference. In the end, Pop got EXACTLY what he said he wanted. Short of relocating the team to Portland, Maine, we could not have met all of his stated demands. In which case "about equal" is the true false narrative here.

Neil Olshey apparently wasn't willing to even offer that to legitimately get us I to the discussion.

Yes, "apparently" Neil wasn't going to admit he tried to trade our second best player. No one knows what Neil offered, and he'd be a fool to tell the media.

BNM

 

[illmatic99]

You're leaving out one very important point, Pop specifically said he was not trading Kawhi to a Western Conference team.

BNM

Link? You keep spewing this as gospel while it's mostly hearsay.

 

[Phatguysrule]

There's a huge difference between willing to trade CJ and including Dame.
I don't belive that Dame would have had to be included. That's a false narrative...

CJ + Collins + pick is about equal to what Spurs got. Neil Olshey apparently wasn't willing to even offer that to legitimately get us I to the discussion.

That's the issue I'm having with NO. He says he is going to be agressive to improve the team, but all the reports say he's trying to low-ball everyone with offers that have no chance of being accepted

I don't think Paul Allen would have been OK with offering that that for a player we may never get to play for us.

Also, I'm not sure the Spurs would have accepted an equivalent offer from a Western Conference team. In fact, I think it very possibly could have taken Dame to convince the Spurs to send him to us rather than Toronto.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Link? You keep spewing this as gospel while it's mostly hearsay.

It was certainly reported that Pop made that clear.

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/spurs-will-not-trade-kawhi-leonard-western-conference/449859

As Sheridan puts it, Popovich would “gladly take 75 cents on the dollar for Kawhi if he could send him out of the West.” If that’s the case, some of the teams we have already heard that could potentially make a play for Leonardwould be out of the running.

Considering that Kawhi went to an Eastern Conference team why would we assume that's false?

 

[illmatic99]

It was certainly reported that Pop made that clear.

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/spurs-will-not-trade-kawhi-leonard-western-conference/449859


Considering that Kawhi went to an Eastern Conference team why would we assume that's false?

Chris Sheridan is the source? Really?

Pop isn't that petty, nor should he be scared of Kawhi torching his team. If a team from the west made a similar offer, I'm sure he'd pick the best offer for his team.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Chris Sheridan is the source? Really?

Pop isn't that petty, nor should he be scared of Kawhi torching his team. If a team from the west made a similar offer, I'm sure he'd pick the best offer for his team.

It's no secret that Pop doesn't like to send talent to the Western Conference. I mean, you can argue it all day long, but it's nothing new. He has made it very clear in the past.

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/04/...rd-is-available-just-maybe-not-to-the-lakers/

• It’s one of Popovich’s cardinal rules not to help Western Conference rivals, much less one with the tradition and resources of the Lakers.

Popovich almost never says a bad word about another team, but he went bonkers in 2008 when Memphis traded Pau Gasol to the post-Shaquille O’Neal Lakers, setting them up for three consecutive Finals runs and two titles.

“What they did in Memphis is beyond comprehension,” Popovich said at the time. “… I just wish I had been on a trade committee that oversees NBA trades. I’d like to elect myself to that committee. I would have voted no to the L.A. trade.”

 

[BigGameDamian]

Absolutely! At what cost?

Well the Bucks do need shooting and Meyers does offer that.

 

[e_blazer]

Chris Sheridan is the source? Really?

Pop isn't that petty, nor should he be scared of Kawhi torching his team. If a team from the west made a similar offer, I'm sure he'd pick the best offer for his team.

It wasn't just Chris Sheridan:

https://247sports.com/nba/san-anton...awhi-Leonard-to-Eastern-Conference-119300982/

 

[Boob-No-More]

Considering that Kawhi went to an Eastern Conference team why would we assume that's false?

Because it doesn't fit the forum narrative that Neil is a do nothing slacker who refuses to trade "his guys".

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Chris Sheridan is the source? Really?

Pop isn't that petty, nor should he be scared of Kawhi torching his team. If a team from the west made a similar offer, I'm sure he'd pick the best offer for his team.

He did pick the best offer. One that got him everything he said he wanted.

Other than offering up Dame, what could he have done to BEAT (not match) TOR's offer?

BNM

 

[RR7]

It's no secret that Pop doesn't like to send talent to the Western Conference. I mean, you can argue it all day long, but it's nothing new. He has made it very clear in the past.

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/04/...rd-is-available-just-maybe-not-to-the-lakers/

Thing is, SA doesn't make many trades in general, soI dunno how we can see it is clear he doesn't send talent west. They don't send it anywhere. You have this trade, then their most recent one was 2 years ago, sending Diaw to the Jazz(west). Working backwards...Splitter to the Hawks(east), TJ Ford, Richard Jefferson and a pick for Stephen Jackson, GS(west), George Hill to the Pacers. And that has us going back 7 years! They just don't make trades. But out of the ones they have made in the last 7 years, it's not like there's a clear east coast bias.

 

[e_blazer]

Because it doesn't fit the forum narrative that Neil is a do nothing slacker who refuses to trade "his guys".

BNM

Agreed, but let's clarify that it's only a portion of the forum (albeit a vocal one) that holds that view.

 

[CupWizier]

Agreed, but let's clarify that it's only a portion of the forum (albeit a vocal one) that holds that view.

Yeah, but they sure do whine a lot.

 

[Scalma]

You're leaving out one very important point, Pop specifically said he was not trading Kawhi to a Western Conference team. Matching TOR's offer with C.J., Collins and a 1st would not have been enough. To get Pop to change his mind, our offer would have had to trump TOR's offer and the only trump card in Neil's hand was Damian Lillard.

Plus, you have no idea what Neil offered. He very well could have offered C.J. + Collins, but he's not going to come out and say, we tried to trade C.J., but SAS preferred TOR's offer.

BNM

Where did he say that?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Thing is, SA doesn't make many trades in general, soI dunno how we can see it is clear he doesn't send talent west. They don't send it anywhere. You have this trade, then their most recent one was 2 years ago, sending Diaw to the Jazz(west). Working backwards...Splitter to the Hawks(east), TJ Ford, Richard Jefferson and a pick for Stephen Jackson, GS(west), George Hill to the Pacers. And that has us going back 7 years! They just don't make trades. But out of the ones they have made in the last 7 years, it's not like there's a clear east coast bias.

And how many of those trades would have helped a rival beat them? None. We are a direct rival. They weren't going to help us knock them out of the first round next year.

He has made it clear verbally on multiple occasions over the years, in multiple interviews. I watched an interview a few years ago in which he said the same thing.

There have been several links already posted. They are backed up by what actually happened.

If it makes you feel better to ignore reality in order to hate on somebody I just don't know what to tell you...

 

[RR7]

I'm not trying to hate on you. And I fail to see what reality I'm ignoring. I simply showed that throughout the years, they just don't make many trades AT ALL. The very few that they have made were split between east and west. None really included a big star, but those trades in general are few and far between.
None of the links provided showed a direct quote from Pop, just assumptions, or sources say. Which is fine, but their history doesn't necessarily back up those sources, because there is no real history.

 

[Hobbesarable]

I'm not trying to hate on you. And I fail to see what reality I'm ignoring. I simply showed that throughout the years, they just don't make many trades AT ALL. The very few that they have made were split between east and west. None really included a big star, but those trades in general are few and far between.
None of the links provided showed a direct quote from Pop, just assumptions, or sources say. Which is fine, but their history doesn't necessarily back up those sources, because there is no real history.

I personally thought you worded your post objectively and I recall from memory pretty much the same info you posted.

So, I went to basketball-reference and checked RC Buford's executive page.

It shows his transactions (signed / traded / selected) with the Spurs beginning July 17, 2002.

 

[Scalma]

I'm not trying to hate on you. And I fail to see what reality I'm ignoring. I simply showed that throughout the years, they just don't make many trades AT ALL. The very few that they have made were split between east and west. None really included a big star, but those trades in general are few and far between.
None of the links provided showed a direct quote from Pop, just assumptions, or sources say. Which is fine, but their history doesn't necessarily back up those sources, because there is no real history.

I just can’t see a well run organization like the spurs cut their potential suitors in half for something as weak as “keeping kawhi out of the conference.” What difference does the conference make, get the best deal possible and move on. Why limit yourself? Makes no sense. That’s a move an idiot like Magic Johnson would make.

 

[Propagandist]

So how about that TPE, guys? After a year with you, I hardly knew you better than Cash Considerations...

 

[illmatic99]

I just can’t see a well run organization like the spurs cut their potential suitors in half for something as weak as “keeping kawhi out of the conference.” What difference does the conference make, get the best deal possible and move on. Why limit yourself? Makes no sense. That’s a move an idiot like Magic Johnson would make.

Don't let facts cloud you. Pop had an agenda.

 

[santeesioux]

So why can't we just go after a guy with one year remaining and adding like a 2nd rounder to get him? That would be an asset we could trade at the deadline or they could expire before we get taxed, right?

 

[Labinot41]

We've got the biggest trade exception in the League!

 

[illmatic99]