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does that work cap wise? cleveland only takes back around $9 million while sending out around $25?
we send out enough to take in Love, teams can work it to fit however they need, and by taking in Plumlee with our TPE, then sending Meyers into one created by that, we can then send Meyers, Aminu, pick to return Love.
 
i thought the most palatable scenario for cleveland would look like
harkless, aminu, leonard, protected '19 for love
TPE for korver
cleveland saves around 3 million this year and 14+ million the next.
age wise harkless fits a teardown/rebuild too.
atlanta scenario is appealing but tougher to sell
 
A better way to save money would be something like this:

CLE Gets: 2019, 2021 POR 1sts, Al-Farouq Aminu, Caleb Swanigan
ATL Gets: Meyers Leonard
POR Gets: Kevin Love, Miles Plumlee (TPE)

That deal saves Cleveland $15M, because we send put $10.5M in bad salary to ATL and take back $12.5M in bad salary with our TPE.
I'd probably do this if it was just one 1st but honestly, I'd rather have Love and Korver.
 
i thought the most palatable scenario for cleveland would look like
harkless, aminu, leonard, protected '19 for love
TPE for korver
cleveland saves around 3 million this year and 14+ million the next.
age wise harkless fits a teardown/rebuild too.
atlanta scenario is appealing but tougher to sell
No chance that happens. Love is worth much more than that.
 
if they are going to resign hood to big money perhaps all the savings they can get this year is most appealing.
I don't know, I think as the season draws closer Cleveland might want to get rid of him. At least that's what I'd do if I was them.
i think as july 28 draws closer we might ratchet up the ante. if not, oh well.
 
Says the person who regularly comes up with 4 team trades.
Reasoning is sound for each team. I do it to challenge certain reasoning for each team, and for fun. Obviously its not gonna happen.
 
I don't know, I think as the season draws closer Cleveland might want to get rid of him. At least that's what I'd do if I was them.
Theyll have suitors though.. itll be a bidding war.
 
I know you're in Germany, but using "pussy" as a derogatory word is frowned upon now.

This is soooo fucked up.
Everyone needs a flipping bubble. It’s probably frown upon because people are too stupid to understand it’s context. Most people think it’s about female genitalia.

Being called a pussy is derived from being a pussy cat. A scaredy cat. Cats are known for being scared of everything.
Hence you are a pussy. You are scared.

But yeah. Let’s raise hell about the word pussy too.
Anyone who gets disturbed about the word pussy being used in that context should just use it on themselves. Only pussies are worries about how the word pussy is used. Lol.
Not at you @Eastoff , at society in general. :)
 
I just don't see teams offering that much for him.
A top 5 PF in his prime who fits the modern NBA and would have a year and a half to two years left on his contract?

Even if 10% of the teams in the league bid on him, it's still a bidding war.. Pheonix is trying to improve now, and they have a good package to offer. Boston needs that star PF to complete their lineup. Toronto could view him as a legitimate upgrade over Ibaka. The Lakers could try for him as well. New Orleans would probably be willing to offer Randle and pieces at the deadline for him.
 
A top 5 PF in his prime who fits the modern NBA and would have a year and a half to two years left on his contract?

Even if 10% of the teams in the league bid on him, it's still a bidding war.. Pheonix is trying to improve now, and they have a good package to offer. Boston needs that star PF to complete their lineup. Toronto could view him as a legitimate upgrade over Ibaka. The Lakers could try for him as well. New Orleans would probably be willing to offer Randle and pieces at the deadline for him.
Phoenix seems to be getting rid of vets, but that might be a possibility.

Boston is in a weird spot where most of their players are either guys they wouldn't trade for Love (Hayward, Irving, Horford) or on cheaper contracts so it would be hard for them to add Love.

Toronto is interesting if they continue to go all-in this year but they can't trade their 2019 pick now. If Kawhi is happy there I think Ibaka is a better fit with him.

The Lakers would probably be worried that he wouldn't opt out next summer thus screwing up their cap space situation.

New Orleans has Mirotic still.
 
This is soooo fucked up.
Everyone needs a flipping bubble. It’s probably frown upon because people are too stupid to understand it’s context. Most people think it’s about female genitalia.

Being called a pussy is derived from being a pussy cat. A scaredy cat. Cats are known for being scared of everything.
Hence you are a pussy. You are scared.

But yeah. Let’s raise hell about the word pussy too.
Anyone who gets disturbed about the word pussy being used in that context should just use it on themselves. Only pussies are worries about how the word pussy is used. Lol.
Not at you @Eastoff , at society in general. :)

That may be the origin, but the meaning of words change over time. I bet if one were to survey the general population on the meaning of that word, female genitalia would be the overwhelming definition.

My personal rule of thumb is if a word is used to define a group of people and many people within that group are offended by it, I try my honest best to not use it anymore. But, to each their own I suppose.
 
Phoenix seems to be getting rid of vets, but that might be a possibility.

Boston is in a weird spot where most of their players are either guys they wouldn't trade for Love (Hayward, Irving, Horford) or on cheaper contracts so it would be hard for them to add Love.

Toronto is interesting if they continue to go all-in this year but they can't trade their 2019 pick now. If Kawhi is happy there I think Ibaka is a better fit with him.

The Lakers would probably be worried that he wouldn't opt out next summer thus screwing up their cap space situation.

New Orleans has Mirotic still.
Like who? They brought in Ariza and Holmes... who'd they get rid of?

Love > Mirotic

Those are just a few hypotheticals. All it takes is one other team. I don't think he's gonna come cheap, but I'd be glad to be wrong.
 
This is soooo fucked up.
Everyone needs a flipping bubble. It’s probably frown upon because people are too stupid to understand it’s context. Most people think it’s about female genitalia.

Being called a pussy is derived from being a pussy cat. A scaredy cat. Cats are known for being scared of everything.
Hence you are a pussy. You are scared.

But yeah. Let’s raise hell about the word pussy too.
Anyone who gets disturbed about the word pussy being used in that context should just use it on themselves. Only pussies are worries about how the word pussy is used. Lol.
Not at you @Eastoff , at society in general. :)

Cool story pussy.
 
This is soooo fucked up.
Everyone needs a flipping bubble. It’s probably frown upon because people are too stupid to understand it’s context. Most people think it’s about female genitalia.

Being called a pussy is derived from being a pussy cat. A scaredy cat. Cats are known for being scared of everything.
Hence you are a pussy. You are scared.

But yeah. Let’s raise hell about the word pussy too.
Anyone who gets disturbed about the word pussy being used in that context should just use it on themselves. Only pussies are worries about how the word pussy is used. Lol.
Not at you @Eastoff , at society in general. :)
I couldn't agree more. Good God, even if I wanted to use it as female genitalia, so what. We've become so paranoid as a culture about what we can and cant say.
We need to grow some balls as a society and not take things so seriously.
They very ones that preach tolerance are the ones that are less tolerant.
Yep, our young people we become a bunch of pussies if we don't toughen up and not get so uptight about shit!
I danced naked in a mud tent at Vortex where there were no hangups. Probably the craziest thing I've ever done but it was wild, oh and I got played that night too.
 
even if I wanted to use it as female genitalia, so what.

Because then you'd just be factually incorrect just like everyone else who's using it incorrectly.

Instead of calling someone a pussy (with reference to female genitalia) because they're weak or soft, they should be called balls.

Think about it.

You can graze a man's balls and he will FOLD. Testicles are weak, fragile things that are every man's weakness.

Pussies???

Those MFs produce 10lb babies and believe me, they can take a POUNDING!! :devilwink:
 
That may be the origin, but the meaning of words change over time. I bet if one were to survey the general population on the meaning of that word, female genitalia would be the overwhelming definition.

My personal rule of thumb is if a word is used to define a group of people and many people within that group are offended by it, I try my honest best to not use it anymore. But, to each their own I suppose.

I can Agree to an extent but show me this large group that feels the word pussy is a segragational insult? It is not a racial slang, it has never been tied to any specific sect or organized group that I am aware of.
Where does it stop?
Are we to pare down the dictionary to only a few acceptable words by all?
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Why don’t we just have a societal ban on all degrading, insulting, profanity and all words in general that anyone has an issue with?

I’m sorry, but there are lines that when get moved too far, become obsurd. history has shown that in things like this, it has a mob mentality that is often irrational.

I would love to hear the thoughts on it from anyone who finds the word as particularly offending.
 
Because then you'd just be factually incorrect just like everyone else who's using it incorrectly.

Instead of calling someone a pussy (with reference to female genitalia) because they're weak or soft, they should be called balls.

Think about it.

You can graze a man's balls and he will FOLD. Testicles are weak, fragile things that are every man's weakness.

Pussies???

Those MFs produce 10lb babies and believe me, they can take a POUNDING!! :devilwink:

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/betty-white-grow-some-balls/
 
I couldn't agree more. Good God, even if I wanted to use it as female genitalia, so what. We've become so paranoid as a culture about what we can and cant say.
We need to grow some balls as a society and not take things so seriously.
They very ones that preach tolerance are the ones that are less tolerant.
Yep, our young people we become a bunch of pussies if we don't toughen up and not get so uptight about shit!
I danced naked in a mud tent at Vortex where there were no hangups. Probably the craziest thing I've ever done but it was wild, oh and I got played that night too.
@Orion Bailey Sad Fact. My 20 year old works at a summer camp where a student got called out and was made to apologize for using the term "Lame." How lame is that? OTOH, one of my hobbies is to section hike the Pacific Crest Trail. On the trail, language, nudity, and even how you smell is of little consequence. As long as you're not an asshole, pretty much anything goes. I am definitely more comfortable on the trail than in a summer camp :)
 
I can Agree to an extent but show me this large group that feels the word pussy is a segragational insult? It is not a racial slang, it has never been tied to any specific sect or organized group that I am aware of.
Where does it stop?
Are we to pare down the dictionary to only a few acceptable words by all?
You
Me
Love
Merry
Happy

Why don’t we just have a societal ban on all degrading, insulting, profanity and all words in general that anyone has an issue with?

I’m sorry, but there are lines that when get moved too far, become obsurd. history has shown that in things like this, it has a mob mentality that is often irrational.

I would love to hear the thoughts on it from anyone who finds the word as particularly offending.

It's a little sexist if you try to use it in the context of it being a woman's Pussy. Hell, the word bitch is sexist too.

It just really depends on how sensitive you are to the word I guess.

I've been trying to say the word bitch a lot less than I used to even though it seems like that's the only word I can use to describe TT.
 
I can Agree to an extent but show me this large group that feels the word pussy is a segragational insult? It is not a racial slang, it has never been tied to any specific sect or organized group that I am aware of.
Where does it stop?
Are we to pare down the dictionary to only a few acceptable words by all?
You
Me
Love
Merry
Happy

Why don’t we just have a societal ban on all degrading, insulting, profanity and all words in general that anyone has an issue with?

I’m sorry, but there are lines that when get moved too far, become obsurd. history has shown that in things like this, it has a mob mentality that is often irrational.

I would love to hear the thoughts on it from anyone who finds the word as particularly offending.

To play devils advocate:

Just like it's freedom of speech to use whatever word you want, it's also freedom of speech to tell others what you think about those words.

There's no censorship or "paring down the dictionary". There are just humans discussing the meaning of those words. It's actually educational.
 
@Orion Bailey Sad Fact. My 20 year old works at a summer camp where a student got called out and was made to apologize for using the term "Lame." How lame is that? OTOH, one of my hobbies is to section hike the Pacific Crest Trail. On the trail, language, nudity, and even how you smell is of little consequence. As long as you're not an asshole, pretty much anything goes. I am definitely more comfortable on the trail than in a summer camp :)
Right on good point....as long as someone is not being an asshole, thats the key.
 
@Orion Bailey Sad Fact. My 20 year old works at a summer camp where a student got called out and was made to apologize for using the term "Lame." How lame is that? OTOH, one of my hobbies is to section hike the Pacific Crest Trail. On the trail, language, nudity, and even how you smell is of little consequence. As long as you're not an asshole, pretty much anything goes. I am definitely more comfortable on the trail than in a summer camp :)

Lame, huh? That's new one...

On the other side of the spectrum: when I was in graduate school I was forced to tutor kids and before I could tutor kids I was forced to read a book about tutoring etiquette. In the book, they listed a number of terms not to use, one of which was "gyp," as in to cheat or rip off, because it was derived from, and therefore offensive to, gypsies. That had never occurred to me. So the next day I'm sharing this news with a coworker--having interrupted a conversation to do so--and she is like, "Huh. Interesting," then turns back to her previous conversations and says: "Anyway, so the guy totally tried to Jew me down." True story.

And I don't think we'll use the TPE.
 
Because then you'd just be factually incorrect just like everyone else who's using it incorrectly.

Instead of calling someone a pussy (with reference to female genitalia) because they're weak or soft, they should be called balls.

Think about it.

You can graze a man's balls and he will FOLD. Testicles are weak, fragile things that are every man's weakness.

Pussies???

Those MFs produce 10lb babies and believe me, they can take a POUNDING!! :devilwink:
Someone watched the Trevor Noah Netflix special.
 
For people claiming to not have pussie issues.....sure a lot of pussie posts raining down around here.....seems to be unnecessarily magnifying someone's simple post and churning up a ridiculous debate if you ask me....but I did enjoy dviss post about it in the end.
 

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