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KingSpeed said:
No center. Also- their record doesn’t really reflect how good of a team they are. They’ve just had some bad luck. They should be at least .500.
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Kinda makes you wonder why they'd want to break it up, huh
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Let's see:
Pascal Siakam was cheated out of an All-Star berth
OG Anunoby is worth a minimum of 3 first-rounders and a good young player
Gary Trent is averaging over 20 ppg
Scottie Barnes is untouchable
The whole roster is young and improving...

...So why do they suck this year? @speeds ?
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They lack shooting. Can't succeed in the modern NBA without shooting.

20 in the league in 3P attempts, 28th in percentage. In comparison, the Blazers with their lackluster defense are 10th in attempts, 6th in percentage

For the record, the Raptors are also 28th in the league in 2P%

If they had any sense they would look to upgrade from FVV to someone that can shoot and distribute. They would love to have someone like Ant. Don't believe the nonsense about missing a Center. That's not their real problem (it would help to have someone other than Koloko to protect the basket, but that's not the big issue).
 
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Fairly-Hard said:
I'd do that as a straight swap in a heartbeat. Sharpe is too young to help now. Dame needs help this season and next.
Shaedon cannot give him that.
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KingSpeed said:
You can’t really compare those though. One of them is already in the NBA playing against NBA defenses and the other is playing at a small college in Utah. Simons is in his 5th season.
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1. I didn’t offer any value or insight other than to tell people to look at the age-22 and age-23 seasons. Doesn’t matter the competition, you can still grow at that age, like Dame did and like Ant likely will.

2. I otherwise have no idea what on earth you said in your post.
 
Pascal is a really good third wheel - 100% on that LMA tier. And he’s not as good as a prime LMA.

The price tag for him is offensive.

Easy pass.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
1. I didn’t offer any value or insight other than to tell people to look at the age-22 and age-23 seasons. Doesn’t matter the competition, you can still grow at that age, like Dame did and like Ant likely will.

2. I otherwise have no idea what on earth you said in your post.
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You have to compare their year in the league. Not their age. I explained why I thought that.
 
It seems like it will be minor moves. A major one will cost Ant and/or Sharpe. It doesn't feel Portland is ready to do that.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
I'd do that as a straight swap in a heartbeat. Sharpe is too young to help now. Dame needs help this season and next.
Shaedon cannot give him that.
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This is the kind of thinking that brought us RoCo and Nance because Dame needed immediate help 3-4 years ago and guess what, he's having as good a season as he's ever had and those young guys we could have had helping him now are seasoned enough to help other teams.

Blazers fans need to stop thinking about winning a championship with Dame and be more concerned with winning a championship period.

Dame might not be as good 3-4 years from now as he is now, but Dame, Sharpe and whoever the picks are they don't trade away for a role player might make the Blazers a considerably better and dangerous team in terms of title contention. That needs to be the focus.
 
PCmor7 said:
This is the kind of thinking that brought us RoCo and Nance because Dame needed immediate help 3-4 years ago and guess what, he's having as good a season as he's ever had and those young guys we could have had helping him now are seasoned enough to help other teams.

Blazers fans need to stop thinking about winning a championship with Dame and be more concerned with winning a championship period.

Dame might not be as good 3-4 years from now as he is now, but Dame, Sharpe and whoever the picks are they don't trade away for a role player might make the Blazers a considerably better and dangerous team in terms of title contention. That needs to be the focus.
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Not sure obviously? Seems like people are way too attached to Sharpe? He's good yes. How good? His type that is a high flyer gets injured.
I think you get a straight swap chance at a player you know is good and will fit you do it.
Same kind of thinking goes with Ant. That kid is really really good and will continue to improve? Bunch of people wanted him gone two years ago.

I also have been really paying attention to both Dame and Ant on defense. The "Dame can't play D" talk isn't working any longer. Dame has had a bunch of possessions where he locked guys down in the last few games. Simons is Improving a bunch as well. Sure guys get by them at times. In this league every defender gets burned. It isn't "Awful" like it used to be. They are really working very hard now. When i watch them i also try to look at who is defending them. I think they get by their defenders much easier as well. Who in this league can honestly guard Dame? Goes for Simons as well. That guy is OG. It isn't Sharpe.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Not sure obviously? Seems like people are way too attached to Sharpe? He's good yes. How good? His type that is a high flyer gets injured.
I think you get a straight swap chance at a player you know is good and will fit you do it.
Same kind of thinking goes with Ant. That kid is really really good and will continue to improve? Bunch of people wanted him gone two years ago.

I also have been really paying attention to both Dame and Ant on defense. The "Dame can't play D" talk isn't working any longer. Dame has had a bunch of possessions where he locked guys down in the last few games. Simons is Improving a bunch as well. Sure guys get by them at times. In this league every defender gets burned. It isn't "Awful" like it used to be. They are really working very hard now. When i watch them i also try to look at who is defending them. I think they get by their defenders much easier as well. Who in this league can honestly guard Dame? Goes for Simons as well. That guy is OG. It isn't Sharpe.
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Aside from disagreeing on a number of suppositions (he flies high so he's at a risk of getting injured? Wha?), I'm going to once again go back to my post that you're commenting on ... we traded unknowns for knowns who turned out to be EXACTLY what we thought we were and that wasn't good enough, while players we could have picked in their place have surpassed them. We wasted several of Dame's prime years by doing the exact thing we supposedly were trying to maximize.

Sharpe's a rare talent. He's shown that already, despite not playing in a year, despite being young for his draft class. Playing for an NBA all-star and champion and alongside an NBA top 75 all-time player increases his chances to live up to that potential. OG Anonoby is a good player, like RoCo, like Nance. He's not worth the asking price.

Making deals like that aren't getting Dame an NBA title this year and isn't getting Dame or the Blazers closer to an NBA title next year or the 2-3 years after that. Making deals like this are going to keep the Blazers in the lottery ... if the Blazers don't trade those lottery picks in the first place to get guys like this.
 
Right now, if the Blazers asked me what they should do, I'd say to pretty much stand pat. The only guys I'd be openly shopping are Nurk and Justice, and I'd probably only trade Nurk for a similar talent who was a better fit. I'm not saying anyone else is untouchable ... if trading Sharpe brings you Kevin Durant, of course you do that ... but let the buyers come to the Blazers and send Portland a sweetheart deal.

I'm not even inclined to trade Hart right now unless you get back something you're at least 75% sure is an upgrade and the other 25% is break-even. I'm looking at production and fit, not height and wingspan. If you're trading Josh Hart right now, you better be getting back a top-10 pick or a young player who gets close to 10 rebounds and 3-4 assists per game and can defend on the perimeter. Let Josh Hart be some other team's Robert Covington. Otherwise, go with what you have, if you roll the dice and end up in the lottery, fine ... use that resource to add to your talent base either by picking or making a smart trade (i.e. not a trade for Larry Nance Jr.).
 
PCmor7 said:
if the Blazers don't trade those lottery picks in the first place to get guys like this.
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So trading the pick before it's taken is okay but once we have the player trading it is no good?

PCmor7 said:
(he flies high so he's at a risk of getting injured? Wha?)
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Obviously that is very sketchy at best but we all know he will have to calm that down. You simply don't continue that kind of play in this league and last. He is putting his shoulder at 10+ feet. It's only a matter of time before coaches tell him to take care of his body.

PCmor7 said:
like RoCo, like Nance. He's not worth the asking price.
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Trying to compare OG to RoCo seems like a very poor example at best. Nance? Really?
 
Fairly-Hard said:
So trading the pick before it's taken is okay but once we have the player trading it is no good?


Obviously that is very sketchy at best but we all know he will have to calm that down. You simply don't continue that kind of play in this league and last. He is putting his shoulder at 10+ feet. It's only a matter of time before coaches tell him to take care of his body.


Trying to compare OG to RoCo seems like a very poor example at best. Nance? Really?
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Vince Carter had one of the longest careers ever and didn't miss a lot of games. He didn't calm that bounce down until it calmed itself down because he got older.
 
blazerkor said:
Vince Carter had one of the longest careers ever and didn't miss a lot of games. He didn't calm that bounce down until it calmed itself down because he got older.
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Well i sure hope it goes well for Sharpe as well.
Would you like me to start pulling up players that have been injured or have dealt with Knee and Ankle problems from dunking? Even Vince dealt with his share of knee problems by the time he left Toronto.
 
I’d be inclined to do minimal work at the deadline. Hart is going to be gone this summer anyway, so he’s the obvious choice to look to move. I’d try to pick up a quality backup C. Mason Plumlee would be a good fit and would save a few $ that might allow picking up another FA vet. I’d shift Grant to SF and play Watford at PF.
 
e_blazer said:
I’d be inclined to do minimal work at the deadline. Hart is going to be gone this summer anyway, so he’s the obvious choice to look to move. I’d try to pick up a quality backup C. Mason Plumlee would be a good fit and would save a few $ that might allow picking up another FA vet. I’d shift Grant to SF and play Watford at PF.
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Trendon should be starting?!? This is the kind of craziness that makes me wonder about some people in here. The dude hasn't been scouted so he can sneak up on some teams but I don't think he's sustainable as a starter or even a big minute getter off of the bench.
 
DDolla said:
KD to the Blazers again lol
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Do you have a button on your keyboard that says LOL? You end 80% of your posts with LOL. I assume you’re a grown man, what are you doing? This post is the first time in my life I have typed that….never said it. You just say,”LOL” while you’re out and about? So interesting.
 
blazerkor said:
Trendon should be starting?!? This is the kind of craziness that makes me wonder about some people in here. The dude hasn't been scouted so he can sneak up on some teams but I don't think he's sustainable as a starter or even a big minute getter off of the bench.
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You may be overreacting just a touch. I think you gain quite a bit by moving Grant to SF and having another true forward in the lineup. As far as Watford not being scouted, he started 10 games last season. I’m guessing he’s not a mystery to opposing coaches. Am I expecting the kind of scoring production he got last night on a regular basis? Of course not, but he can get boards, defend bigs better than Hart, and can stick a 3. I’d view the rest of this season as an audition and look for a more proven guy in the offseason if TW doesn’t pan out.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
So trading the pick before it's taken is okay but once we have the player trading it is no good?
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Kind of a selective cut there. That part of my post was meant to be sarcastic. I apologize if I wasn't clear about that; I thought the context of the entire post would have made it understandable.

The point is that the Blazers would ALREADY have traded future first rounders for Anunoby and might not have them to even use to try to get out of the lottery.

Fairly-Hard said:
Obviously that is very sketchy at best but we all know he will have to calm that down. You simply don't continue that kind of play in this league and last. He is putting his shoulder at 10+ feet. It's only a matter of time before coaches tell him to take care of his body.
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That just seems like a monumental reach/rationalization. Shaedon's not a twig like a lot of guys right out of college. He's got a great frame that reminds me of Vince Carter's. There's no reason to believe he's going to get injured just because he goes high on dunks, and one also can presume that as other parts of his game round out, he probably will be turning to other things in place of just dunking on people.

I still find the fear of injury because he jumps really high a strange one considering there are myriad examples of players that did and had long careers.

Fairly-Hard said:
Trying to compare OG to RoCo seems like a very poor example at best. Nance? Really?
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I think you're guilty of your own comment about people falling in love with certain players. OG Anunoby isn't a special player. He's not an all-star. He hasn't shot .460 from the field in three years. He's never averaged more than 5.5 rebounds per game and he's averaged more than 35 minutes each of the last two years -- Nance was averaging more than that when he was a Blazer in 13 fewer minutes per game and RoCo averaged more than that in 6 minutes per game less. Steal-wise, RoCo and Nance are better. Blocked shot-wise, RoCo and Nance are better.

If you like advanced stats -- I think they're overrated, but maybe you put stock in them -- those three guys are comparable in VORP and win shares. OG's PER actually is the lowest of the three.

Now, I don't know if you're trying to make the argument that giving up two mid first-rounders for RoCo was justified and giving up a mid-one for Nance was justified and we should give up multiple players/first-rounders for him, or you think that OG is that much better than those two -- which there is no basis, statistical or otherwise, to suggest -- and giving up a mid-lottery pick and multiple other picks is acceptable, but both arguments are sketchy. I presume you would start OG ahead of Hart, but this year's Hart statistically blows Anunoby out of the water in terms of most statistical measures except PPG, 3-point%, and blocks. Most importantly, Hart rebounds and Anunoby doesn't ... OG's a poor man's Jerami Grant at best.

Making that deal is great if you want to remain in neutral for a decade, unless you get OG for a significantly lower asking price than the Raptors are reportedly seeking. Trading a player with Sharpe's potential for a role-player? I wouldn't even consider that as a joke.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Well i sure hope it goes well for Sharpe as well.
Would you like me to start pulling up players that have been injured or have dealt with Knee and Ankle problems from dunking? Even Vince dealt with his share of knee problems by the time he left Toronto.
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Go ahead. I'll post those that haven't. Starting with Michael Jordan, Dominique Wilkins, Kobe Bryant, Julius Irving, David Thompson, LeBron, etc. in addition to Carter. Zach LaVine seems to still be playing well. Aaron Gordon still seems to be doing well.

I mean, this is just a bizarre take, because there are so many examples of elite leapers who has long, successful careers and Sharpe doesn't have a frame/build that makes one question durability nor does he have an injury history.

You literally could be walking down the street and get hit by a falling Chinese weather balloon, but I don't think the risk is so high that every time you walk outside you should look up constantly to avoid it.
 
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