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Scalma said:
yeah, we can forget about "reasonable" contracts. Those don't exist anymore. At some point Neil is going to have to go for it. Teams tank to draft guys like Lillard and McCollum, not to find role players.

Pretty much, stop wasting their careers.
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What do you mean by, "go for it?" in this context?
 
Nikolokolus said:
What do you mean by, "go for it?" in this context?
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An example would be Ibaka. Not under contract long term, but an ideal third guy the team needs, on both ends of the court. Would cost a first round pick. Would be a risky move, not safe. Safe has been Olshey for about two years now. The only real risky move he's made was the Afflalo trade, and even if it didn't work out, it was one of my favorite moves he's made. I remember thinking in the games after the trade "ok this team looks like a contender." Then Wes went down.
 
If this team wants to secure a spot in the playoffs, a move that improves the team on the margins w/o giving up one of our first rounders would be ideal and probably enough to get it done unless Denver decides to make a splash. So I guess small move or nothing would be my prediction.

And honestly, I'm fine with that. Teams have bad years and bounce back w/o making any radical changes (see Wizards, unless you think Brooks is making that big of a difference). This is not a time to be reactionary and it's not like this team has a clear path to any sort of serious contention over the next couple years.

Continue to slowly improve the team, hope that Dame and CJ have a little room left in their ceilings and maybe you hit on one or both of your draft picks this year.
 
Scalma said:
yeah, we can forget about "reasonable" contracts. Those don't exist anymore. At some point Neil is going to have to go for it. Teams tank to draft guys like Lillard and McCollum, not to find role players.

Pretty much, stop wasting their careers.
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So - send them to good teams out of mercy?
 
I just think we kind of look too far back at pieces for a rebuild...I'd bet the front office is looking at youth to be the game changers more than vets...finding that undrafted Wes Mathews or Kawai Leonard from the minor league...seems to me the direction Olshey and Allen have taken..just don't see them wanting to get older until Golden State's run is over. I do think Olshey has an eye for finding talent outside the box and less talent at attracting a proven vet to Portland
 
Rastapopoulos said:
If we don't get Boban, I swear I may give up on the NBA.
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era to era I never really give up on the Blazers but from time to time just get less invested in the team...these guys are easy to like and cheer for but far from my favorite rosters over 40 years
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Ibaka for Biebs and Harkless clears $21 mil off the books for next year, which we will use to pay Ibaka.
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No, you're going to end up paying Plumlee even more...if you bring in Ibaka...you have to trade Plumlee's expiring contract or risk him walking for nothing...is it worth swapping them? Not sure. Either way losing Harkless for Ibaka gives us a log jam of bigs and leaves us weak at SF rotations...Meyers...sure . If you moved Meyers and Ezeli's expiring contract plus a pick or project...you'd keep Plumlee and Ibaka and that would be a good pairing...I'd rather lose Ed than Mason at this point
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I don't think Olshey is going to make a mistake like he did that one year; there is no real pressure to make a deal right now. He usually only likes to make deals where he thinks he really is getting the best of the deal. So if there is a trade, I think it will be a good one; but there is a good chance of no trade.
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No...none at all. He's brought entirely new meaning to "let it bake".

The injury to Evan Turner doesn't give him a pass to just sit. Make the team better, Neil!
 
OneLifeToLive said:
No...none at all. He's brought entirely new meaning to "let it bake".

The injury to Evan Turner doesn't give him a pass to just sit. Make the team better, Neil!
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Exactly. Wait til the summer! Then in the summer it'll be wait til the trade deadline! That's how a GM runs out the clock on his contract if his owner is stupid enough. It's time to make moves. We went into the season with an unbalanced roster. Enough sitting around. The holes that were there in the summer are still there now.
 
Scalma said:
Exactly. Wait til the summer! Then in the summer it'll be wait til the trade deadline! That's how a GM runs out the clock on his contract if his owner is stupid enough. It's time to make moves. We went into the season with an unbalanced roster. Enough sitting around. The holes that were there in the summer are still there now.
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At what point do you accuse the man of neglect?
 
Scalma said:
And that's stopped Allen from firing which GM?
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All depends on what model they are working under. If they are working under a model that keeps the team competitive enough to be in the playoff hunt year after year and a team that makes this town proud due to its character. I'm sure Neil is doing just fine in this owners eyes.
 


Operative word here is rebuild aka draft picks, younger players. Would put Portland in play.

I love Vucevic but I'm also ok with Plumlee.

I wonder if there's anyway we could get Gordon. Evidently he's available as well and his value isn't as high as people think (according to Steve Kyler at least)

I could see Orlando interested in Vonleh.

Would you give up our first round pick (say lottery protected) plus Vonleh for Gordon?
 
I think the Wizards are in the market for a big man, I'd love to see a trade centered around Mase for their first.
 
Scalma said:


Operative word here is rebuild aka draft picks, younger players. Would put Portland in play.

I love Vucevic but I'm also ok with Plumlee.

I wonder if there's anyway we could get Gordon. Evidently he's available as well and his value isn't as high as people think (according to Steve Kyler at least)

I could see Orlando interested in Vonleh.

Would you give up our first round pick (say lottery protected) plus Vonleh for Gordon?
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I wouldn't give up the first round pick. That pick would sign for less and gives us an extra body if an injury parade happens.
 
Scalma said:


Operative word here is rebuild aka draft picks, younger players. Would put Portland in play.

I love Vucevic but I'm also ok with Plumlee.

I wonder if there's anyway we could get Gordon. Evidently he's available as well and his value isn't as high as people think (according to Steve Kyler at least)

I could see Orlando interested in Vonleh.

Would you give up our first round pick (say lottery protected) plus Vonleh for Gordon?
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Gordon still has much higher ceiling and if we protect our pick Orlando will know there is a good chance it won't come to them this year.

I would not trade any of our 2017 picks. This draft is stocked with forwards in the 11-20 range where we will land and there will be some good talent at the end of first round too. It's essential to get players who will be here for less than $20M a year too, given the circumstances. I would honestly rather trade some of our players for picks, even second round picks, to clear salary a little and have cash to sign Plumlee. There is usually the odd good talent even in the second round. Green, Millsap, Thomas, even Butler was the final pick of the first round and lately we saw Brogdon and Jokic there.

Trading picks when you are stuck with numerous players on $15M and more is a bad idea. We have so many expensive players.
 
dasage said:
I think the Wizards are in the market for a big man, I'd love to see a trade centered around Mase for their first.
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That could actually be doable. They might be able to sign him back in the Summer too if they can send Mahinmi somewhere. They could give us their first and a cheap player, perhaps for backcourt. They got some half decent young talent there on the bench, don't they? Not starter quality but fillers.
 
Not sure if we want to give up picks, as Olshey can pull something nice if this draft is really that deep and IF he is so good in this.
And I think it's too early to cut Vonleh, as he could turn Jermaine O'Neil case.
 
roroyo said:
Not sure if we want to give up picks, as Olshey can pull something nice if this draft is really that deep and IF he is so good in this.
And I think it's too early to cut Vonleh, as he could turn Jermaine O'Neil case.
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Yeah. Jermaine is exactly who Noah reminds me of....
 
I still reckon we will be trying to deal Crabbe, if not now then at the end of season. His contract makes zero sense but it'll be very tough to find a trade partner for this transaction. He's just not good enough to be paid $19M.

BTW trading Plumlee for a pick would be pure tanking now. We'd be left without any center that can play basketball. We would also need to trade someone else for a center now or in the Summer, unless we want to be starting a rookie center next season (salary cap means we cannot get anyone from free agency really unless on a minimum contract or not much more). Maybe send Plumlee, clear a bit of salary and then move for Bogut. He will likely sign for not that much.
 
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