Trade Deadline Predictions

[Scalma]

Here's my last post about Harkless, because I don't care enough to keep this going, at least not on my end.

Harkless' most productive lineup combinations, in order, from last season;

1. Crabbe/Davis/McCollum/Turner
2. Crabbe/Lillard/McCollum/Plumlee
3. Aminu/McCollum/Lillard/Plumlee

 

[Scalma]

So you forgot about this then???

Maurice Harkless and his struggles: 'I feel like I'm just out there'

“I’m just out there, and that’s frustrating,’’ Harkless said. “I’m just out there playing defense, which is cool … running back and forth. Out there running track.’’

“We gotta figure out ways … not only me, but ways to get other people going,’’ Harkless said. “Every game it’s the same thing … we play through three people.’’

“Everybody else is just …. It’s hard to get into a rhythm,’’ Harkless said. “It’s that simple.’’

"....We just have to figure something out,’’ Harkless said

“It gets frustrating at times,’’ Harkless said after the Orlando game on Nov. 15. “I feel like I could bring more to the team. Especially on the offensive end. It just is what it is. The way we are playing right now, it’s just my role right now.

“It’s not like, I’m Evan (Turner) - when he comes in the game, he has the ball in his hands and he can shoot whenever he wants to,’’ Harkless said. “I’m pretty much in a position where I’m just waiting around and you have to pass me the ball. A lot of times I’m open and guys may miss me or I make a cut and they miss me. I just have to keep playing, I can’t worry about that stuff.’’

“It’s frustrating playing and getting only two shots and the game and the game I did get 11 shots (Brooklyn), I made three. So it’s a little frustrating, but I just have to keep going and be ready for when the opportunity comes. It’s been hard with the inconsistency, but it’s part of the game, and it’s just the situation I’m in right now, and I just have to continue make the most of my situation.’’

The one that PISSES ME OFF is:

"If you want a guy to go out and rebound and defend and play as active as we want Moe to, you have to give him an opportunity to touch the ball and be involved with it,’’ Lillard said

Way to take a stance there. You were slobbering all over Moe not long ago. Whichever way the wind blows though, right?

Done now. For real.

 

[Boob-No-More]

No, Harkless did not play better with Nurkic. His most consistent play was in November. I'm sure you'll find a way to argue that fact though.

Actually, I agree with you. Mo got of to a hot start last season and November, was indeed his best month.

However, his play trailed off dramatically in January and early February and was rejuvenated after Nurk arrived. He certainly played much better with Nurk last February and March than he has this season. Which is why I place most of the blame on Mo for his poor play for the first three months of this season. I just haven't seen the same level of effort, and Mo doesn't have the talent to just coast through a season without busting his ass.

In short, Mo is a hustle player who hasn't been hustling (until the last few games). He needs that level of effort consistently. That effort gets him up to average starter level. Without the effort, he's not start material - which is exactly why he was benched.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Here's my last post about Harkless, because I don't care enough to keep this going, at least not on my end.

Harkless' most productive lineup combinations, in order, from last season;

1. Crabbe/Davis/McCollum/Turner
2. Crabbe/Lillard/McCollum/Plumlee
3. Aminu/McCollum/Lillard/Plumlee

Well, since Crabbe and Plumlee are both gone, maybe Mo should be next.

BNM

 

[Scalma]

Well, since Crabbe and Plumlee are both gone, maybe Mo should be next.

BNM

I won't argue that.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I won't argue that.

Good! Now we can get back on the topic of this thread - trades.

What can we realistically get for Mo and who are the most likely trading partners?

It's ironic that the shortage in quality SFs might drive up Mo's trade value, when his poor play is the reason we are looking for an upgrade at SF ourselves. Perhaps some GM will see that he's still relatively young and take a chance that a change of scenery and a new system will ignite him.

This is one case where I'd be willing to trade young(ish) for old(ish). Dame and C.J. are entering their prime. We don't need everyone else on the roster to be 25 and younger. I'd be willing to trade Mo to a building/rebuilding team for a guy who is in his early 30s, but still productive and on a similar contract.

BNM

 

[Scalma]

Good! Now we can get back on the topic of this thread - trades.

What can we realistically get for Mo and who are the most likely trading partners?

It's ironic that the shortage in quality SFs might drive up Mo's trade value, when his poor play is the reason we are looking for an upgrade at SF ourselves. Perhaps some GM will see that he's still relatively young and take a chance that a change of scenery and a new system will ignite him.

This is one case where I'd be willing to trade young(ish) for old(ish). Dame and C.J. are entering their prime. We don't need everyone else on the roster to be 25 and younger. I'd be willing to trade Mo to a building/rebuilding team for a guy who is in his early 30s, but still productive and on a similar contract.

BNM

Mirotic

Considering positional need and relationship with the Gm, New York could be interested in Harkless as well. Not sure what the Knicks are trying to do. If they're not as worried about the playoffs I think we could find a way to get Lee.

Would Milwaukee be interested in Harkless in a Jabari package? Aminu is more ideal, but Harkless is younger and under longer control.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Mirotic

Considering positional need and relationship with the Gm, New York could be interested in Harkless as well. Not sure what the Knicks are trying to do. If they're not as worried about the playoffs I think we could find a way to get Lee.

Would Milwaukee be interested in Harkless in a Jabari package? Aminu is more ideal, but Harkless is younger and under longer control.

I think the Knicks desperately want to make the playoffs. I think the new regime wants to reinstall a winning culture and make all Knicks games "events" again. I think they'd love a first round matchup with CLE (for the spectacle of LeBron at MSG) or BOS (the NY/BOS rivalry spans all sports).

With that said, I do thinks they'd trade Lee. Sure, he is starting, but that forces them to play Hardaway Jr. at SF. If they trade Lee, they could start Mo at the 3 and move Hardaway Jr. back to his more natural SG position. I think this was their original plan when they signed Hardaway Jr. last summer and expressed interest in Mo. They also have Beasley who can play the 3 and McDermot as a sharpshooter off the bench.

I think it would depend on what else we offered. They want to go young(er), but still make the playoffs. 25 year old Mo for 32-year old Lee helps with the former. It depends on what else we can give them to help with the latter.

Yesterday, I proposed:

Mo + Ed + Shabazz for Lee + O'Quinn. I actually think that trade helps both teams - especially if Mo returns to last year's form. It also JUST gets us under the tax threshold. So, win:win. Given Mo's inconsistent (mostly down) play, there may need to be some shuffling of picks involved, but I would not rule out some package involving Harkless for Lee.

If we did that, Lee would get most of the 3rd guard minutes. He's big enough to play alongside with Dame or C.J. or as the third guard in small ball/3 guard situations. We could then call up Baldwin for spot minutes at PG.

I love (this year's) Ed Davis, but O'Quinn is an upgrade who is underutilized in NY that is also a better fit next to Nurk.

BNM

 

[dviss1]

Way to take a stance there. You were slobbering all over Moe not long ago. Whichever way the wind blows though, right?

Done now. For real.

Keep up. I've been down on Mo all season.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Good! Now we can get back on the topic of this thread - trades.

What can we realistically get for Mo and who are the most likely trading partners?

It's ironic that the shortage in quality SFs might drive up Mo's trade value, when his poor play is the reason we are looking for an upgrade at SF ourselves. Perhaps some GM will see that he's still relatively young and take a chance that a change of scenery and a new system will ignite him.

This is one case where I'd be willing to trade young(ish) for old(ish). Dame and C.J. are entering their prime. We don't need everyone else on the roster to be 25 and younger. I'd be willing to trade Mo to a building/rebuilding team for a guy who is in his early 30s, but still productive and on a similar contract.

BNM

Bazemore for Harkless + Biebs!?!

 

[Boob-No-More]

Bazemore for Harkless + Biebs!?!

Interesting. Bazemore would be a marginal upgrade over Harkless and we'd essentially be trading two bad contracts for one REALLY bad contract (like Turner/Crabbe level bad). It would JUST save us enough to get under the tax threshold this season.

BNM

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Interesting. Bazemore would be a marginal upgrade over Harkless and we'd essentially be trading two bad contracts for one REALLY bad contract (like Turner/Crabbe level bad). It would JUST save us enough to get under the tax threshold this season.

BNM

KB is a 3 and D guy shooting 38.4 3FG% this year (career 35.5 3FG%).
The options look like...
Caroll, Burks, Bazemore, and Fournier. Fournier would cost us a lot. Who doe you like?

Woj’s Latest: Pistons, Fournier, Lakers, Hawks
January 8th, 2018 at 12:50pm CST by Luke Adams
Shooting guards and small forwards are in high demand as the trade deadline approaches, and there simply aren’t that many quality wings expected to be available, Adrian Wojnarowski writes in his latest report for ESPN.com. As Wojnarowski details, the Pistons, Knicks, Pelicans, and Trail Blazers are just a few of the many teams looking for upgrades on the wing.

DeMarre Carroll (Nets), Alec Burks (Jazz), Kent Bazemore (Hawks), and Evan Fournier (Magic) are among the veterans attracting some interest on the trade market, according to Wojnarowski, who notes that the Pistons pursued a deal for Fournier. Such a trade would be hard to pull off without including Reggie Jackson‘s contract, so nothing’s imminent at this point, but the Pistons continue to be aggressive on the trade market, a reflection of Stan Van Gundy‘s desire to win now, says Wojnarowski.

 

[Boob-No-More]

KB is a 3 and D guy shooting 38.4 3FG% this year (career 35.5 3FG%).
The options look like...
Caroll, Burks, Bazemore, and Fournier. Fournier would cost us a lot. Who doe you like?

Of those options, Fournier. He's the kind of consistent 3rd scorer we need and shooting .405 3FG%.

I'd love to swap our Evan for theirs, but why would ORL do that? I doubt if they want Harkless back at $10 million a year when gave him to us for nothing two and a half years ago. I'm sure they'd gladly take Ed Davis's expiring contract and maybe Al-Farouq Aminu's contract with only 1.5 years left. That saves them some serious money in the long run, compared to Fournier's deal with 3.5 years left. We'd still have to sweeten the pot with a young player and/or pick.

And none of this gets us under the tax threshold...

I'm not sure if we have enough (or more accurately are willing to give up enough) to get a deal done.

BNM

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Of those options, Fournier. He's the kind of consistent 3rd scorer we need and shooting .405 3FG%.

I'd love to swap our Evan for theirs, but why would ORL do that? I doubt if they want Harkless back at $10 million a year when gave him to us for nothing two and a half years ago. I'm sure they'd gladly take Ed Davis's expiring contract and maybe Al-Farouq Aminu's contract with only 1.5 years left. That saves them some serious money in the long run, compared to Fournier's deal with 3.5 years left. We'd still have to sweeten the pot with a young player and/or pick.

And none of this gets us under the tax threshold...

I'm not sure if we have enough (or more accurately are willing to give up enough) to get a deal done.

BNM

Parsons for Biebs + ET + Vonleh

#s2explodes

For everything that's gone wrong, Parsons is shooting .486 FG%, .411 3FG% this year - we could use that.

 

[BonesJones]

Do I think Plumlee is better than Davis? Yes. That’s why he was starting over him. And that was a special case anyway. Denver had a surplus of picks. They also knew they’d control Plumlee’s long term future. No team has that certainty with Davis, no matter how “loyal,” or whatever assumption you made, is.

“Wanna talk about Crabbe”

Is that supposed to be some sort of dig? I’m still waiting on someone replacing his production. Y’all said it would be easy. Well, season is almost half way through and the only thing I can say is the team was better with Crabbe.

And I’ll be sure to bump this expose of yours after we see the return on Ed.

Better yet, let’s actually make this worth our time. Put money where your mouth is and bet that we’ll get a first for Davis if he gets traded (solo)

And Boston doesn't have a surplus of picks?

Connaughton has replaced 80% of his production for 8% of the salary.

The team was better with Crabby? We're 3 games above .500 right now, we were .500 with Crabbe.

Do I necessarily believe we'll get a 1st for Davis? I dunno. But there's defintely a chance. You're acting like there's no chance in hell that he can land a late first, when similar players have earned more in the past. You called me delusional for thinking he's good enough to land a 1st.

I used facts to back myself up and you can't even dispute them. I used previous picks in the range to show you how little value those picks have and you can't even dispute that either. So, of course, you spewed more BS "Im gonna expose you when he doesn't land a 1st let's bet money!"...

Lmao, stfu.

 

[Scalma]

And Boston doesn't have a surplus of picks?

Connaughron has replaced 80% of his production for 8% of the salary.

The team was better with Crabby? We're 3 games above .500 right now, we were .500 with Crabbe.

Do I necessarily believe we'll get a 1st for Davis? I dunno. But there's defintely a chance. You're acting like there's no chance in hell that he can land a late first, when similar players have earned more in the past. You called me delusional for thinking he's good enough to land a 1st.

I used facts to back myself up and you can't even dispute them. I used previous picks in the range to show you how little value those picks have and you can't even dispute that either. So, of course, you spewed more BS "Im gonna expose you when he doesn't land a 1st let's bet money!"...

Lmao, stfu.

What facts?

I browse over the majority of your posts, sorry if I missed something sweetheart.

And yes let’s bet. Put money where your mouth is. You talk like some expert and shit on anyone with a different opinion than your own, so it should be easy money for you.

 

[BonesJones]

What facts?

I browse over the majority of your posts, sorry if I missed something sweetheart.

And yes let’s bet. Put money where your mouth is. You talk like some expert and shit on anyone with a different opinion than your own, so it should be easy money for you.

Maybe you should pay more attention. You could learn a thing or two.

I talk like some expert and shit on everyone who disagrees? I literally gave my opinion on Davis' trade value and you called me delusional. Now you're being hypocritical. You do that more than anyone on this forum.

 

[Scalma]

Of those options, Fournier. He's the kind of consistent 3rd scorer we need and shooting .405 3FG%.

I'd love to swap our Evan for theirs, but why would ORL do that? I doubt if they want Harkless back at $10 million a year when gave him to us for nothing two and a half years ago. I'm sure they'd gladly take Ed Davis's expiring contract and maybe Al-Farouq Aminu's contract with only 1.5 years left. That saves them some serious money in the long run, compared to Fournier's deal with 3.5 years left. We'd still have to sweeten the pot with a young player and/or pick.

And none of this gets us under the tax threshold...

I'm not sure if we have enough (or more accurately are willing to give up enough) to get a deal done.

BNM

I could actually see Orlando being interested in Harkless. Their new front office comes from Milwaukee and he fits their model. The guys that traded Moe are gone. Fournier and Gordon have some sort of chemistry issue now so I’m pretty sure they’re open to dealing Fournier.

 

[AFully22]

I’m actually starting to think that Rodney Hood could be available at the deadline. Not just because of him knocking the phone out that old dudes hand tonight, which was awesome. But because if you check some of the Jazz forums most of them think the Jazz wouldn’t even want to resign him next year when he’s a RFA. Must be because of behavioral issues because the man can still play.

A Shabazz+Swanigan for Hood trade works. Swanigan spent some time in Utah and they need a PF, especially one that’s young and cheap. And Shabazz would probably take the starting job over Rubio eventually or worst case just give them some needed scoring.

 

[Scalma]

I’m actually starting to think that Rodney Hood could be available at the deadline. Not just because of him knocking the phone out that old dudes hand tonight, which was awesome. But because if you check some of the Jazz forums most of them think the Jazz wouldn’t even want to resign him next year when he’s a RFA. Must be because of behavioral issues because the man can still play.

A Shabazz+Swanigan for Hood trade works. Swanigan spent some time in Utah and they need a PF, especially one that’s young and cheap. And Shabazz would probably take the starting job over Rubio eventually or worst case just give them some needed scoring.

Hmm I actually like that idea a lot. He’s not perfect and he has an injury history, but I would love him as our sixth man and he could probably close out games with Dame and CJ as well.

 

[AFully22]

Hmm I actually like that idea a lot. He’s not perfect and he has an injury history, but I would love him as our sixth man and he could probably close out games with Dame and CJ as well.

Oh I think he would be our starting 3 for sure. He’s 6’8 with a long reach. He can handle as well, if not better, than ET and shoots the shit out the 3. I’d love him alongside Dame and CJ.

 

[Scalma]

Oh I think he would be our starting 3 for sure. He’s 6’8 with a long reach. He can handle as well, if not better, than ET and shoots the shit out the 3. I’d love him alongside Dame and CJ.

I guess the question is how much would he get in free agency? If we traded Napier for him we’d probably have to dump Vonleh somewhere else as well, no? Actually I could see Utah being interested in Vonleh more than Biggie. Would you still do it?

 

[AFully22]

I guess the question is how much would he get in free agency? If we traded Napier for him we’d probbaly have to dump Vonleh somewhere else as well, no? Actually I could see Utah being interested in Vonleh more than Biggie. Would you still do it?

Yea the lack of quality forwards in the NBA probably means he will get paid. Shit they could Vonleh and Swanigan if they wanted lol, although we would have to take something back. Aminu and Collins have that position filled in my eyes.

My fear is if he is put on the block someone will give them a first and that’s where it gets a little questionable for me.

 

[AFully22]

Rubio+Hood for Shabazz+Swanigan+ET and our 1st would get us under the tax. Giving up our first makes me hesitant but that’s probably what makes it realistic. They signed Rubio to try and convince Hayward to stay anyways, and he would be a great back up PG for us.

Bazz, Mitchell, Gobert some young players and 2 firsts in this draft is a nice little building block. They aren’t going anywhere as constructed and historically that franchise relies almost solely on the draft. I think they would go for it and I think we would too honestly.

 

[BonesJones]

Players I'd want to target (In order of most to least):

Wings:
Evan Fournier
Tyreke Evans
Jae Crowder
Johnathan Simmons
Rodney Hood
Courtney Lee
Mario Herzonja

Bigs:
Blake Griffin
Nikola Mirotic
Julius Randle
Kyle O'Quinn
Willy Hernangomez
Derrick Favors

 

[BonesJones]

Rubio+Hood for Shabazz+Swanigan+ET and our 1st would get us under the tax. Giving up our first makes me hesitant but that’s probably what makes it realistic. They signed Rubio to try and convince Hayward to stay anyways, and he would be a great back up PG for us.

Bazz, Mitchell, Gobert some young players and 2 firsts in this draft is a nice little building block. They aren’t going anywhere as constructed and historically that franchise relies almost solely on the draft. I think they would go for it and I think we would too honestly.

Nah I don't want Rubio near this team. Dude is hot garbage as a player. Less than 5apg, 40% FGs, and 30% 3s this year..

I like the idea though, here's something better IMO (two seperate deals that would be a 3-team trade):
Trade 1:
UTA Gets: Napier, Turner, 2019 POR 1st,
POR Gets: Rodney Hood, Joe Johnson, Naz Long, Raul Neto
*We could include Swanigan if they wanted him*

Trade 2:
POR Gets: Tyreke Evans, Chandler Parsons
MEM Gets: Noah Vonleh, Joe Johnson, Maurice Harkless, Raul Neto, 2019 MIN/LAL 2nd
- Memphis gets a young SF & PF who fits their style of play+ two 2nd rounders (one likely a high 2nd in 2019) for an expiring Evans and a bad contract in Parsons (who is actually playing decent but doesn't fit on a Memphis team that's struggling and owes Gasol and Conley a ton of money).
*Could try to include Meyers for Brandon Wright if MEM would still take it but I doubt they would*

Both trades in one:
UTA Gets: Napier, Turner, 2019 POR 1st
MEM Gets: Vonleh, Johnson, Harkless, Neto, 2019 MIN/LAL 2nd
POR Gets: Hood, Evans, Parsons

Our rotation afterwards:
Lillard (35) / McCollum (13)
McCollum (22) / Evans (26)
Hood (24) / Parsons (24)
Aminu (28) / Davis (20)
Nurkic (32) / Collins (18)

That's a pretty good team with an added dynamic scoring threat (Hood), a 3rd ball handler replacement for the departing Napier and Turner in Evans (who's better than both), and a shooter with some all-around offensive talent in Parsons. The team also sheds enough money to get under the tax line and turns Turner's and Harkless' contracts (totaling $28M a year) into a more productive Parsons ($23M a year).

 

[AFully22]

Nah I don't want Rubio near this team. Dude is hot garbage as a player. Less than 5apg, 40% FGs, and 30% 3s this year..

I like the idea though, here's something better IMO (two seperate deals that would be a 3-team trade):
Trade 1:
UTA Gets: Napier, Turner, 2019 POR 1st,
POR Gets: Rodney Hood, Joe Johnson, Naz Long, Raul Neto
*We could include Swanigan if they wanted him*

Trade 2:
POR Gets: Tyreke Evans, Chandler Parsons
MEM Gets: Noah Vonleh, Joe Johnson, Maurice Harkless, Raul Neto, 2019 MIN/LAL 2nd
- Memphis gets a young SF & PF who fits their style of play+ two 2nd rounders (one likely a high 2nd in 2019) for an expiring Evans and a bad contract in Parsons (who is actually playing decent but doesn't fit on a Memphis team that's struggling and owes Gasol and Conley a ton of money).
*Could try to include Meyers for Brandon Wright if MEM would still take it but I doubt they would*

Both trades in one:
UTA Gets: Napier, Turner, 2019 POR 1st
MEM Gets: Vonleh, Johnson, Harkless, Neto, 2019 MIN/LAL 2nd
POR Gets: Hood, Evans, Parsons

Our rotation afterwards:
Lillard (35) / McCollum (13)
McCollum (22) / Evans (26)
Hood (24) / Parsons (24)
Aminu (28) / Davis (20)
Nurkic (32) / Collins (18)

That's a pretty good team with an added dynamic scoring threat (Hood), a 3rd ball handler replacement for the departing Napier and Turner in Evans (who's better than both), and a shooter with some all-around offensive talent in Collins. The team also sheds enough money to get under the tax line and turns Turner's and Harkless' contracts (totaling $28M a year) into a more productive Parsons ($23M a year).

Rubio has been especially bad this year but hes a career 8 ast per game guy, his numbers are mostly down because Quinn Snyder’s offense sucks and so does that roster. He’s about as bad as ET, slightly better imo, but on a shorter and better contract and he wouldn’t be playing starters minutes like ET does so he would have less of an impact.

Trust me, he’s not a player I covet either but he’s about on par with most backup PG’s and these are the type of compromises you usually have to make to be mutually beneficial. Rodney Hood’s skill set could really work with us. With those additions I would have a hard time saying our roster would be any worse than our 53 win roster, and built better for the long term. It’s an interesting scenario.

 

[BonesJones]

Rubio has been especially bad this year but hes a career 8 ast per game guy, his numbers are mostly down because Quinn Snyder’s offense sucks and so does that roster. He’s about as bad as ET, slightly better imo, but on a shorter and better contract and he wouldn’t be playing starters minutes like ET does so he would have less of an impact.

Trust me, he’s not a player I covet either but he’s about on par with most backup PG’s and these are the type of compromises you usually have to make to be mutually beneficial. Rodney Hood’s skill set could really work with us. With those additions I would have a hard time saying our roster would be any worse than our 53 win roster, and built better for the long term. It’s an interesting scenario.

I think my scenario is pretty realistic though, and I think it's better. Just can't come around to the idea of Rubio playing any minutes here.

 

[Scalma]

I think my scenario is pretty realistic though, and I think it's better.

Of course you do.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Players I'd want to target (In order of most to least):

Wings:
Evan Fournier
Tyreke Evans
Jae Crowder
Johnathan Simmons
Rodney Hood
Courtney Lee
Mario Herzonja

Bigs:
Blake Griffin
Nikola Mirotic
Julius Randle
Kyle O'Quinn
Willy Hernangomez
Derrick Favors

This is a great list... I would love to trade for any of these players except for Lee and O’Quinn... I would also add Saric