Trade Deadline Predictions

[Chris Craig]

Mavs have put Wes Mathews on the block for a first round pick.....he has a player option next season...they're blowing it up

Do it

 

[Chris Craig]

I dont think Lillard or Nurk will be traded, everyone else better watch out

 

[LayneStaley]

Do it

And a PDX First Rounder

 

[Scalma]

I think Aminu should be on the block. His value will never be higher and every contender should be interested. We may even get a low first out of it. I know he’s important to our team, but in the grand scheme of things, he’s important to a team that hovers around .500 and isn’t a threat to win a championship. He’s expendable.

 

[riverman]

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And a PDX First Rounder

subtract Swanigan and add Meyers Leonard and you're on to something

 

[e_blazer]

subtract Swanigan and add Meyers Leonard and you're on to something

Being brought up on charges for Mavericks beating?

 

[LayneStaley]

subtract Swanigan and add Meyers Leonard and you're on to something

The Big 3 gone in one trade would win NO executive of the year

 

[riverman]

They want lottery picks...we can help them get those with this trade

 

[dviss1]

Oooh I like Hernangomez. He's probably just as good as Nurk, just underused. I'd do that trade in a heartbeat.

Really? I've never seen him play but if that's the case, why would NY want to get rid of him?

 

[dviss1]

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And a PDX First Rounder

I would do that deal! Too bad the Mavs wouldn't LOL.

 

[dviss1]

Do it

Not for a first round pick... Plus we'd need a lot of salary going out...

 

[BonesJones]

Really? I've never seen him play but if that's the case, why would NY want to get rid of him?

I have no idea. I really like him though l.

 

[AFully22]

Yeah it’s not that complicated but some still can’t figure it out.

Collins will never be a full time center in the NBA. That’s not a knock, he just has traits that need to be taken advantage of elsewhere. Eventually he can play center against certain teams, but he’ll always be best utilized at power forward. You don’t stick a guy that provides his defensive versatility at center. Look at Anthony Davis. When you have a seven footer with that kind of agility and shot making ability, you create a lot more mismatches at PF. stick him at center, and yeah, he’ll be quicker than most, but he’ll also often be overpowered. Even after he gets bigger, does anyone actually see him banging with a Demarcus Cousins? I don’t, but maybe that’s just me.

I disagree. I think after Collins adds some muscle he’s the perfect 5 in today’s NBA. Look what all the high level teams are doing in the playoffs... they barely play their true big men. Houston plays a 6’9 Capela, GSW barely plays Pachulia, Tristan Thompson was completely taken out of the GSW series, Boston plays a 6’10 Horford who’s 20 lbs lighter than Nurkic. Even the Wizards are purposely hiding their lineup of Morris at the 5 to try and surprise people in the playoffs.

Imagine having a Collins at the 5 who is just as quick as those others mentioned but has 2-4 inches on all of them. I think you need a true big man on your roster for matchup reasons throughout the season but when it comes time to the playoffs those guys are the first to be exploited if their getting starter minutes. Its another reason why I’m hesitant to sign Nurkic to any lucrative deal, or trade for DJ for that matter. Unless you have a traditional big man who is truly elite (Boogie) or a guy like Adams who has a very specific role (Nurks ideal scenario), you need a guy like Collins to really compete. I think with 10-15 lbs of added muscle Collins could be the perfect
5 for today’s NBA, especially in the playoffs.

 

[Scalma]

I disagree. I think after Collins adds some muscle he’s the perfect 5 in today’s NBA. Look what all the high level teams are doing in the playoffs... they barely play their true big men. Houston plays a 6’9 Capela, GSW barely plays Pachulia, Tristan Thompson was completely taken out of the GSW series, Boston plays a 6’10 Horford who’s 20 lbs lighter than Nurkic. Even the Wizards are purposely hiding their lineup of Morris at the 5 to try and surprise people in the playoffs.

Imagine having a Collins at the 5 who is just as quick as those others mentioned but has 2-4 inches on all of them. I think you need a true big man on your roster for matchup reasons throughout the season but when it comes time to the playoffs those guys are the first to be exploited if their getting starter minutes. Its another reason why I’m hesitant to sign Nurkic to any lucrative deal, or trade for DJ for that matter. Unless you have a traditional big man who is truly elite (Boogie) or a guy like Adams who has a very specific role (Nurks ideal scenario), you need a guy like Collins to really compete. I think with 10-15 lbs of added muscle Collins could be the perfect
5 for today’s NBA, especially in the playoffs.

You list Capela, but that’s one guy. There are way too many good “traditional” centers in the nba today.

Boogie
Embiid
Drummond
Gasol
Whiteside
Jordan
Jokic
Adams
Vucevic
Valanciunas
Gobert
Gortat

That’s almost half the league, and there are more on the way (Ayton for example.) Nurk can and has banged against all of them. I just don’t see Collins as that type of player. He’s a PF ala Davis to me. Agree to disagree I guess.

 

[KingSpeed]

Okay? I'm not using any emotion. I'm using fact and logic. He's a perceived star because he used to be one, but no longer plays at the level of one, yet fans haven't caught on.

Won't be close this year, as his position has gotten better while he's gotten worse. His defense has taken a HUGE step back this year, and I mean HUGE. I can being stats into this of you're too lazy to do the research. His FG% is good, but thats because he only shoots within 3 feet. A good finisher at the rim doesn't make him a good offensive player. Get past the name. Get past his previous production and see the decline that's already happening.

Right now, he's an above average but not great defender and an average offensive C (His FT%... yikes). Athleticism is the first thing to decline, and thats what his entire game is based off of.
So he's only going to get worse but will still command at least 3 years at $25M a year. In one or two years, he'll be no better than Tristan Thompson, while having $50-$75M remaining his contract.

If only Nurkic was a good finisher at the rim...

 

[AFully22]

You list Capela, but that’s one guy. There are way too many good “traditional” centers in the nba today.

Boogie
Embiid
Drummond
Gasol
Whiteside
Jordan
Jokic
Adams
Vucevic
Valanciunas
Gobert
Gortat

Nurk can and has banged against all of them. I just don’t see Collins as that type of player. He’s a PF ala Davis to me. Agree to disagree I guess.

Some of those guys would get exposed in the playoffs, and I would consider the others elite. If Nurk can become an elite 5 and Collins can play alongside him I’m all for it but I’m just skeptical he will be as good as any of those guys aside from Gortat, Valnciunas, Vucevic, and Adams (who I’m hoping is who Nurk models his game after). Time will tell, but either way it’s not a bad thing to potentially have both options on the roster.

 

[BonesJones]

If only Nurkic was a good finisher at the rim...

If only.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Knicks Increasing Efforts To Trade Joakim Noah
January 26th, 2018 at 12:36pm CST by Luke Adams
Joakim Noah is currently away from the Knicks for what the team is calling “personal reasons,” and sources tell Marc Berman of The New York Post that the veteran center is unhappy with his situation in New York. As a result, the Knicks have “ramped up” their efforts to trade Noah, reports Berman, citing a source.

Noah, like fellow center Willy Hernangomez, has seen his role reduced this season due to the Knicks’ frontcourt logjam. Enes Kanter and Kyle O’Quinn have been the team’s primary centers for most of the 2017/18 campaign.

With O’Quinn and Kristaps Porzingis sidelined on Tuesday against Golden State, Noah had been hoping to see increased minutes. However, he only played sparingly in garbage time and was “visibly upset” after the game, according to Berman, who suggests that the incident may have triggered Noah’s departure from the team. Berman adds that the veteran center might not rejoin the Knicks until next Thursday.

While a trade may be a preferred outcome for both the Knicks and Noah, it’s hard to imagine the team finding a trade partner willing to take on the big man’s massive contract. Noah, who has a cap hit of $17.765MM for 2017/18, will still have two years and about $37.83MM in guaranteed money left on his deal after this season.

In previous trade talks, the only way the Knicks could get another team to consider taking on Noah was by attaching their 2018 first-round pick, according to Berman. New York’s front office is very much against giving up that first-rounder, which looks increasingly likely to be a lottery selection, so a Noah deal appears to be a long shot. Nonetheless, the Knicks plan to ask teams around the NBA about the idea as the trade deadline nears, says Berman.

OK, NY, how desperate are you? You've shown interest in Harkless:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd4wxtqf
We get a 1st rounder...

 

[LayneStaley]

If only Nurkic was a good finisher at the rim...

It’s really hard to finish at the rim consistently when you are SOFT.

 

[riverman]

If only Nurkic was a good finisher at the rim...

Rolo wasn't at Nurk's age....people act like he's a 10 year vet but he's a work in progress...all the skills are there..his defense is like Przybilla and he shoots better already than Joel ever did...I don't have big complaints about him..he needs to be in better shape and hone his timing with his layups...all coachable stuff. Nurk looks like he's still growing to me.

 

[riverman]

It’s really hard to finish at the rim consistently when you are SOFT.

I don't see soft...I see rushed timing...

 

[Scalma]

It’s really hard to finish at the rim consistently when you are SOFT.

This is just stupid slander. Nothing about Nurkic is soft. Watch how he plays other top centers. He has no problem with physicality. He just finesseses when he doesn’t have to. It’s not out of fear.I’ve mentioned this before, but all his struggles are against smaller guys.

 

[dviss1]

I don't see soft...I see rushed timing...

I would say he doesn't go up strong all the time.

He is a lil bit tender... Needs to know how big he is.

That move he put on KAT the other day was amazing and strong. He needs to do that MUCH more. He's inconsistent.

 

[BonesJones]

Knicks Increasing Efforts To Trade Joakim Noah
January 26th, 2018 at 12:36pm CST by Luke Adams
Joakim Noah is currently away from the Knicks for what the team is calling “personal reasons,” and sources tell Marc Berman of The New York Post that the veteran center is unhappy with his situation in New York. As a result, the Knicks have “ramped up” their efforts to trade Noah, reports Berman, citing a source.

Noah, like fellow center Willy Hernangomez, has seen his role reduced this season due to the Knicks’ frontcourt logjam. Enes Kanter and Kyle O’Quinn have been the team’s primary centers for most of the 2017/18 campaign.

With O’Quinn and Kristaps Porzingis sidelined on Tuesday against Golden State, Noah had been hoping to see increased minutes. However, he only played sparingly in garbage time and was “visibly upset” after the game, according to Berman, who suggests that the incident may have triggered Noah’s departure from the team. Berman adds that the veteran center might not rejoin the Knicks until next Thursday.

While a trade may be a preferred outcome for both the Knicks and Noah, it’s hard to imagine the team finding a trade partner willing to take on the big man’s massive contract. Noah, who has a cap hit of $17.765MM for 2017/18, will still have two years and about $37.83MM in guaranteed money left on his deal after this season.

In previous trade talks, the only way the Knicks could get another team to consider taking on Noah was by attaching their 2018 first-round pick, according to Berman. New York’s front office is very much against giving up that first-rounder, which looks increasingly likely to be a lottery selection, so a Noah deal appears to be a long shot. Nonetheless, the Knicks plan to ask teams around the NBA about the idea as the trade deadline nears, says Berman.

OK, NY, how desperate are you? You've shown interest in Harkless:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd4wxtqf
We get a 1st rounder...

Not that desperate, but I'd definitely look into Meyers and Harkless for Noah and the right to swap 1sts with them.

We swap two players who don't play making $20M for one player who doesn't play making $17M, thus getting us under the cap, and moving up in the process.
NYK would likely have to attach a 1st to Noah to move him, so moving slightly down in the draft while getting a player they like in Harkless is the next best thing.

 

[dviss1]

This is just stupid slander. Nothing about Nurkic is soft. Watch how he plays other top centers. He has no problem with physicality. He just finesseses when he doesn’t have to. It’s not out of fear.I’ve mentioned this before, but all his struggles are against smaller guys.

I liked your post, but the flopping is soft bro. No way around that.

 

[Boob-No-More]

sources tell Marc Berman of The New York Post that the veteran center is unhappy with his situation in New York.

$17.765MM for 2017/18, will still have two years and about $37.83MM in guaranteed money left on his deal after this season.

$55.5 million to do NOTHING. Good work, if you can get it. Sign me up. I promise to be giddy.

BNM

 

[LayneStaley]

I liked your post, but the flopping is soft bro. No way around that.

AGREED

 

[BonesJones]

UTA Gets: Napier (IPE), Vonleh, Korver, Mills
SAS Gets: Favors, Zizic
CLE Gets: Al-Farouq Aminu, Ekpe Udoh
POR Gets: 2018 CLE 1st, 2018 SAS 1st, Raul Neto
then
MEM Gets: Jake Layman, 2018 CLE 1st (via POR)
LAC Gets: Jusuf Nurkic, Moe Harkless, Meyers Leonard, 2018 SAS 1st, 2018-2020-2022 POR 1sts.
POR Gets: Blake Griffin, Willie Reed (TPE), Tyreke Evans (TPE)

Lillard (36) / McCollum (12)
McCollum (24) / Connaughton (20) / Evans (4)
Evans (28) / Turner (20)
Griffin (35) / Collins (13)
Davis (24) / Reed (17) / Collins (7)

How good is that team?

 

[BonesJones]

Wait, what? What would we be giving up for Klay? And how would we afford it

We'd basically be signing him and trading out salary via S&T in order to make it happen. The salary would go to a 3rd team with picks going to GSW. I literally explained it in the post you quoted.

 

[Scalma]

I liked your post, but the flopping is soft bro. No way around that.

He doesn’t even flop. What he does is no different than taking a charge. It’s not like he’s not getting hit. Flopping would be if he got hit in the arm and grabbed his face.