Trade Ideas & sh*t

[Sarni]

I like Vucevic but IMO he doesn't work next to Nurkic (despite his ability to stretch the floor he would be lacking on defense) and he is too good to be playing 15-20 minutes a night if we intend to give Nurkic the starting role (which we should). It'd be nice to have a back up this good but I don't think he'd be happy here, there are teams around the league that would start him.

 

[Sarni]

One of Harkless/Aminu has to go. I'll ride with Harkless.

Probably right. We must get some alternatives in our backcourt, relying on Napier and Connaughton to provide us with bench minutes will not take us far. Preferably I'd like a reliable point guard and somebody who can play both as a shooting guard and as small forward. Unfortunately we don't have enough pieces to land Khris Middleton, he'd be absolutely immense here.

 

[Sarni]

This is the Kyrie trade I want to see happen. MILs 2019 and 2021 (Maybe 2023) 1sts to PHX.
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Cleveland gets 2 starters, a young player, and a backup C. Id argue they got better here. They'd have a great bench.

Bledsoe / Rose
Middleton / Shumpert
Lebron / Parker / Jefferson
Love / Parker
Thompson / Henson

Milwaukee gives up a lot, but gets their second star and still has solid depth. The big part of this is that they save around $15M next year, giving them enough cap space to go after Cousins or Jordan.

Irving / Brogdon
Brogdon / Vaughn
Giannis / Snell
Teletovic / Wilson / Frye
Maker / Monroe

Pheonix gets two or three future picks for their rebuild and clears a starting spot for Ulis.

The price Milwaukee pay here is too steep. The only really valuable piece they get back is Irving and they have to send out Middleton (a very good 2/3 combo), Parker (no. 2 overall pick who was great last season before injury) and two first round picks. That's too much.

Thinking about Irving I think three destinations make sense: Milwaukee in exchange for Parker and additional pieces, Minnesota in exchange for Wiggins and a salary filler, Phoenix in exchange for Bledsoe and another player (Warren and Bender would be offered first, adding Jackson or Chriss would be too much IMO). I think a trade will happen in the next 3 weeks and it will be for one of these packages. I think Bledsoe and TJ Warren.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

After this year it'll be adding more salary.

Yeah a bit, but who knows... maybe the cap raises a few mil and we break even? But for all we know salary doesn't matter and we plan on adding a decent player with our TPE still?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

After this year it'll be adding more salary.

After this year with Tyson, we'll be defending champs so it'll be worth it.

 

[dviss1]

It was leaked that Orlando has some interest Aminu. Portland really needs a decent backup center, and Vucevic was reportedly on the trade block last year.

Vucevic for Aminu and Davis works.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yak7shev

Sure but he's a starter.

 

[1eyejack]

To Portland:
Will Barton

To Denver:
Noah Vonleh
2018 first-rounder (w/ heavy protection)

Go![/QUOTE

I really like how Vonleh played at end of last year. I wouldn't trade him and I'm a Barton fan.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I wonder if it would be possible for us to split our TPE to use on Belinelli in Atlanta and Crowder in Boston, then in a separate deal send PattyC+2018 first rounder to Boston for some scrub as a "wink wink nudge nudge" compensation?

 

[Sinobas]

I wonder if it would be possible for us to split our TPE to use on Belinelli in Atlanta and Crowder in Boston, then in a separate deal send PattyC+2018 first rounder to Boston for some scrub as a "wink wink nudge nudge" compensation?

If we wanted to send a team some wink win nudge nudge compensation, we'd send them Kingspeed.

 

[Minstrel]

I wonder if it would be possible for us to split our TPE to use on Belinelli in Atlanta and Crowder in Boston, then in a separate deal send PattyC+2018 first rounder to Boston for some scrub as a "wink wink nudge nudge" compensation?

You can do that, but why would Boston trade Crowder for part of a TPE, Connaughton and a first rounder? The pick is the only worthwhile asset there and Crowder is worth a lot more than a non-premium first round pick.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

You can do that, but why would Boston trade Crowder for part of a TPE, Connaughton and a first rounder? The pick is the only worthwhile asset there and Crowder is worth a lot more than a non-premium first round pick.

It's just an idea I mean I assume Boston wants to cut salary and I thought giving them relief+non guaranteed contract and a pick would be a decent get for a team that is reasonably stacked. You're right though it's a pipe dream because Crowder is a good player and Ainge isn't easy to deal with. I'd still be happy with getting Belinelli though, don't think he really has much of a future in ATL.

 

[Minstrel]

It's just an idea I mean I assume Boston wants to cut salary and I thought giving them relief+non guaranteed contract and a pick would be a decent get for a team that is reasonably stacked. You're right though it's a pipe dream because Crowder is a good player and Ainge isn't easy to deal with. I'd still be happy with getting Belinelli though, don't think he really has much of a future in ATL.

I don't think Boston is in cost-cutting mode now, as they cleared the salary they needed to in order to sign Hayward. Possibly next season they will be when they have to pay Isaiah Thomas.

But you can structure deals like that, so there are creative ways to play with the TPE.

Belinelli would make a good Crabbe replacement--he's no longer as good a shooter as he used to be, but he's a ton cheaper.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I don't think Boston is in cost-cutting mode now, as they cleared the salary they needed to in order to sign Hayward. Possibly next season they will be when they have to pay Isaiah Thomas.

But you can structure deals like that, so there are creative ways to play with the TPE.

Belinelli would make a good Crabbe replacement--he's no longer as good a shooter as he used to be, but he's a ton cheaper.

It'll be interesting to watch the Crowder situation unfold. I don't think he will be very happy with his role in Boston this coming season.

 

[BonesJones]

Blazers just cleared $$$ by trading Crabbe for virtually nothing, they aren't going to go adding another $10M+ to their TAX BILL. If anything, its a minimum contract, but more likely another trade that sends out more than we bring in by $4M for NO TAX BILL. Delay the repeater!

I'd prefer to trade Davis, Leonard, and a future 2nd to whoever would take it because then we could use pretty much the full TPE without hitting the tax.

 

[BonesJones]

It'll be interesting to watch the Crowder situation unfold. I don't think he will be very happy with his role in Boston this coming season.

Who knows. I think they'll trade a bucketload of assets for A.D then trade Hayward for Lebron, who will opt-in & trade much like CP3s deal this year.

Could clear more minutes for Crowder.

 

[Chris Craig]

Please don't tell me we are just going to end up signing Hunter

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Who knows. I think they'll trade a bucketload of assets for A.D then trade Hayward for Lebron, who will opt-in & trade much like CP3s deal this year.

Could clear more minutes for Crowder.

Man if I were Hayward in this scenario I would wanna murder Ainge lol

 

[BonesJones]

Man if I were Hayward in this scenario I would wanna murder Ainge lol

Lmao. I wouldn't blame Ainge though. Depending on what CLE gets for Kyrie, they could still be competitive.

 

[AFully22]

The best, realistic, and maybe available targets in my opinion are: Kevin Love, Carmelo Anthony, Wilson Chandler, Marvin Williams, Tobias Harris, Jahlil Okafor, Reggie Jackson, Trevor Ariza, John Henson, Justice Winslow, Jabari Parker, Danny Green.

For the right price I wouldn't mind trading for any of those players. Option A would be Kevin Love, option B Carmelo, and option C either Tobias Harris, Danny Green, or Wilson Chandler. Option C players I think could be had without gutting the roster or giving up pics.

 

[Blazinaway]

Our TPE from the Crabbe trade is also enough to get Vucevic, if ORL wanted to do a pure salary dump.

The ship may have sailed on Greg Monroe to POR. Too bad, he actually had a REALLY good season for MIL. Not sure why you think he wouldn't want to be our back up center. He accepted his role as 6th man in MIL and played really well at both ends of the court. He came in 6th in Sixth Man of the Year Voting. All his per36 numbers, advanced stats and on/off numbers were excellent. Both Monroe and Vucevic are surprisingly good passing big men with AST% comparable to Nurk. Both are good rebounders and scorers, but neither offer much rim protection.

Vucevic is cheaper, but has two years left on his contract. Monroe would be a 1-year rental while Biggie and Collins learn the ropes. I'd be fine with either as our back up center, but would still rather go with someone like Kyle O'Quinn or Cole Aldrich who are both MUCH cheaper, offer much more rim protection and are career back ups who are accustomed to coming off the bench. I prefer O'Quinn as he can play both center and power forward and would be a good fit both backing up Nurk and playing beside him.

BNM

I remain interested in either Courtney Lee and or O'quinn from Knicks. Lee has 3 yrs left at 11 mil per is a good shooter and much better defender than Crabbe, O'quinn only gets pd 4 mil per and will likely opt out after next season. I'd do Hark and Meyers for Lee and O'quinn, saves about 5 mil next season and

I wonder if it would be possible for us to split our TPE to use on Belinelli in Atlanta and Crowder in Boston, then in a separate deal send PattyC+2018 first rounder to Boston for some scrub as a "wink wink nudge nudge" compensation?

I'd love to get Crowder but with his good play and great contract he won't be cheap, Bos needs bigs so maybe a 3-way with Vuc or R Lopez going to Bos, Crowder here, and we send player and or picks to another team like Chi or Orl

 

[BonesJones]

I remain interested in either Courtney Lee and or O'quinn from Knicks. Lee has 3 yrs left at 11 mil per is a good shooter and much better defender than Crabbe, O'quinn only gets pd 4 mil per and will likely opt out after next season. I'd do Hark and Meyers for Lee and O'quinn, saves about 5 mil next season and

I'd love to get Crowder but with his good play and great contract he won't be cheap, Bos needs bigs so maybe a 3-way with Vuc or R Lopez going to Bos, Crowder here, and we send player and or picks to another team like Chi or Orl

I'd prefer Meyers, Davis, Napier, and a Future 2nd for Lee and O'Quinn. We'd get under the tax, that'd make us better and shed Meyers contract. Plus we'd keep our TPE to use later.

 

[Sarni]

I'd prefer Meyers, Davis, Napier, and a Future 2nd for Lee and O'Quinn. We'd get under the tax, that'd make us better and shed Meyers contract. Plus we'd keep our TPE to use later.

New York are not going to give us two good players AND take on Meyers terrible deal for a future 2nd and Davis (Napier has very little value). If you replace Napier, Davis or both in that deal with Harkless you might get a conversation.

 

[BonesJones]

New York are not going to give us two good players AND take on Meyers terrible deal for a future 2nd and Davis (Napier has very little value). If you replace Napier, Davis or both in that deal with Harkless you might get a conversation.

I think that New York would value Napier. They have no PGs. O'Quinn and Davis are very much alike, so it comes down to Meyers, Napier and a 2nd vs. Lee. I don't see why they would want Lee over Napier and a 2nd, and Lee is making more than Meyers.

 

[BonesJones]

The price Milwaukee pay here is too steep. The only really valuable piece they get back is Irving and they have to send out Middleton (a very good 2/3 combo), Parker (no. 2 overall pick who was great last season before injury) and two first round picks. That's too much.

Thinking about Irving I think three destinations make sense: Milwaukee in exchange for Parker and additional pieces, Minnesota in exchange for Wiggins and a salary filler, Phoenix in exchange for Bledsoe and another player (Warren and Bender would be offered first, adding Jackson or Chriss would be too much IMO). I think a trade will happen in the next 3 weeks and it will be for one of these packages. I think Bledsoe and TJ Warren.

MIL pays a steeper price to get rid of big contracts to create max cap space next summer to go after an all-star big man.

 

[Scalma]

I think that New York would value Napier. They have no PGs. O'Quinn and Davis are very much alike, so it comes down to Meyers, Napier and a 2nd vs. Lee. I don't see why they would want Lee over Napier and a 2nd, and Lee is making more than Meyers.

They're set at point guard. They have Nkitilina and just signed Sessions. And in what world is a second round pick and shabazz Napier more valuable than a proven vet like Courtney Lee (besides yours?)

 

[Minstrel]

Lee is making more than Meyers.

So is LeBron James. Basketball ability is also an important factor, not just price tag. Lee can play, Meyers can't.

 

[BonesJones]

So is LeBron James. Basketball ability is also an important factor, not just price tag. Lee can play, Meyers can't.

New York wants a top pick though, not to compete. And Lee isn't a great player, and he's older, so he's not worth keeping for New York.

 

[Minstrel]

New York wants a top pick though, not to compete. And Lee isn't a great player, and he's older, so he's not worth keeping for New York.

Sure, but because Lee can play, he's a tradeable contract while Leonard is much less of a one. Trading an okay contract for a bad one matters even for a team in asset-collection mode and, IMO, the "assets" you're offering New York to make that swap aren't good enough.

 

[BonesJones]

Sure, but because Lee can play, he's a tradeable contract while Leonard is much less of a one. Trading an okay contract for a bad one matters even for a team in asset-collection mode and, IMO, the "assets" you're offering New York to make that swap aren't good enough.

Lee's contract is a bad one too, and Napier is an asset I think they'd value. They're desperate for a PG.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

My two ideas are about freeing up time for Biggie and Collins - hence why Vonleh is on the move:

To Orlando:
Noah Vonleh
2018 first-rounder (Top-10 protected)

To Portland:
Mario Hezonja

Next years draft is extremely top-heavy - we wont miss this pick at all.