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My two ideas are about freeing up time for Biggie and Collins - hence why Vonleh is on the move:

To Orlando:
Noah Vonleh
2018 first-rounder (Top-10 protected)

To Portland:
Mario Hezonja

Next years draft is extremely top-heavy - we wont miss this pick at all.
What do you like about Mario Hezonja? I'd never heard of him before. He's from Croatia and has a nickname similar to Nurkic "the beast". Nothing in his stats stand out though. Except shooting only 40% from 2pt range last year. I noticed he was the #5 overall in 2015.

Watching his highlights, he seems to be fairly athletic...but is he an upgrade over Layman?
 
My two ideas are about freeing up time for Biggie and Collins - hence why Vonleh is on the move:

To Orlando:
Noah Vonleh
2018 first-rounder (Top-10 protected)

To Portland:
Mario Hezonja

Next years draft is extremely top-heavy - we wont miss this pick at all.

Noah has arguably shown more (at worst the same) as Hezonja. Don't know why we'd have to add a first.
 
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Of all the Blazers, I think Vonleh is the one who has the best chance of taking his game to another level this year. He's got a lot of tools. Maybe his stock will rise and we can trade him at the deadline.
 
Lee's contract is a bad one too, and Napier is an asset I think they'd value. They're desperate for a PG.

I disagree that Lee's is a bad one. But if it is, Leonard's is a super nuclear bad one, since Leonard is barely NBA-caliber (if he is at all) while Lee is still a useful player.
 
I think it bears repeating that Vonleh doesn't turn 22 till near the end of august. He defends the perimeter better than any big not named aminu, and his rebounding percentage is very good. Josef seemed to make things easier for him and it shouldn't surprise. Mason played with heart but was over matched on both ends a lot of the time.
looking at noah to be improved at both ends playing next to Nurkic. its a make or break contract year here in Portland for the young man and I bet he delivers as a super solid role player.
 
My two ideas are about freeing up time for Biggie and Collins - hence why Vonleh is on the move:

To Orlando:
Noah Vonleh
2018 first-rounder (Top-10 protected)

To Portland:
Mario Hezonja

Next years draft is extremely top-heavy - we wont miss this pick at all.
Hozenja, while intriguing as a player for a protected second rounder is actually 6 months older than Vonleh and can't sniff any PT on the Magic.
 
If Vonleh had played in summer league this year, I bet he would have been more impressive than Swanigan.

He's the same size as Swanigan, has the 7'4 wingspan, and I think he's a bit more athletic. Yet people seem to be ready to write him off because of Swanigan.
 
If Vonleh had played in summer league this year, I bet he would have been more impressive than Swanigan.

He's the same size as Swanigan, has the 7'4 wingspan, and I think he's a bit more athletic. Yet people seem to be ready to write him off because of Swanigan.

My predictions for next season (a full one with Nurk) are that Vonleh and Harkless will break out.
 
Hozenja, while intriguing as a player for a protected second rounder is actually 6 months older than Vonleh and can't sniff any PT on the Magic.
I dont think his ability to earn PT in Orlando is a reasonable measuring stick to his ability. Harkless comes immediately to mind as a success story who was languishing on the Magic bench. Hezoenja can really shoot the rock I think some of his stats are misleading and when I have watched him it has been a situation that looked to me like the coaches didnt like his attitude, so he never played, not that he couldnt play. Noah on the other hand has not shown much to me (outside of some decent defensive chops) that gives me reason to think he has much staying power in the NBA. I'd be willing to swap them for that reason and to take a flyer on a top-5 pick, at a position of need, still on their rookie deal. Sounds to me like a classic shrewd Olshey move.
 
If Vonleh had played in summer league this year, I bet he would have been more impressive than Swanigan.

He's the same size as Swanigan, has the 7'4 wingspan, and I think he's a bit more athletic. Yet people seem to be ready to write him off because of Swanigan.

Folks are selling low. I think we should keep Vonleh. He's already a better defender than Collins or Swanigan. Also, I think he knows his days could be numbered. We'll see how much fire he plays with this season.
 
I dont think his ability to earn PT in Orlando is a reasonable measuring stick to his ability. Harkless comes immediately to mind as a success story who was languishing on the Magic bench. Hezoenja can really shoot the rock I think some of his stats are misleading and when I have watched him it has been a situation that looked to me like the coaches didnt like his attitude, so he never played, not that he couldnt play. Noah on the other hand has not shown much to me (outside of some decent defensive chops) that gives me reason to think he has much staying power in the NBA. I'd be willing to swap them for that reason and to take a flyer on a top-5 pick, at a position of need, still on their rookie deal. Sounds to me like a classic shrewd Olshey move.
sorry but I disagree. as far as really shooting the rock , he shot less than 30% from three and the small sample size dismissal would be countered by the fact that he averaged over 2 attempts per game in his 65 games played last year. harkless was under utilized by Jacques Vaughn, henzoenja has played for both scott skiles and frank vogel. can't equate his usage to moe's.
edit _ meant to include Noah's per/36's of 9pts. / 11 rebs. this season
 
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sorry but I disagree. as far as really shooting the rock , he shot less than 30% from three and the small sample size dismissal would be countered by the fact that he averaged over 2 attempts per game in his 65 games played last year. harkless was under utilized by Jacques Vaughn, henzoenja has played for both scott skiles and frank vogel. can't equate his usage to moe's.
edit _ meant to include Noah's per/36's of 9pts. / 11 rebs. this season

He shot it pretty well his rookie year and definitely did not play well last year. His rookie year if were allowed to use per36 #'s he was 12/5/3 shooting 35% from 3 and 50% from inside the arc. Those are encouraging numbers for a rookie. ~16 mpg isnt exactly getting a ton of playing time either. I am fairly certain that's less than Noah got in Charlotte. Just sayin he's probably a better prospect than Jake Layman and has more basketball talent than I've seen from Noah and I wanted very badly to see Vonleh succeed. I don't think we make this trade for non basketball reasons but on the court it makes sense. Do a little research go and watch his Draft Express video it might change your mind a little, he was a top 5 pick for good reason.
 
noah rookie season, sports hernia surgery and only played in 25 games@10minutes/per
 
He shot it pretty well his rookie year and definitely did not play well last year. His rookie year if were allowed to use per36 #'s he was 12/5/3 shooting 35% from 3 and 50% from inside the arc. Those are encouraging numbers for a rookie. ~16 mpg isnt exactly getting a ton of playing time either. I am fairly certain that's less than Noah got in Charlotte. Just sayin he's probably a better prospect than Jake Layman and has more basketball talent than I've seen from Noah and I wanted very badly to see Vonleh succeed. I don't think we make this trade for non basketball reasons but on the court it makes sense. Do a little research go and watch his Draft Express video it might change your mind a little, he was a top 5 pick for good reason.

Was that his 2nd season?
 
Was that his 2nd season?
No, it was his rookie year (2 seasons ago) his second season was last season where he shot 30% 3p 42%2pt played less minutes and generally had a bad attitude. I think this could be a similar situation that we snagged Nurk out of. He had 3 coaches in 2 years and none of them seemed to want to play him, he is a lot better than he has shown, given how he played for Barcelona and the numbers he was putting up there as a teenager. I dont know where vonleh fits on this team, because I really like Swanigan and I am on the record saying Collins will start at the 4 some time next year. I just feel like we need to get better on the wing, and expecting Jake Layman to blossom into something is a fools errand imo to me that means we should look to take flyer on a guy like Hezonja. If it costs Vonleh so be it.
 
Harkless+Davis for Tobias Harris

Not sure I'd love it, but feels like a potential deadline deal if both teams disappoint.
 
That's your big splash of a trade?
Who said anything about a big splash? It's a re-shuffle of the deck in all likelihood--Harris is a questionable offensive and defensive fit--but just thought it was a plausible move.
 
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Who said anything about a big splash?
I just think that's what the Blazers are looking to do now. Dame & CJ are ready to contend and there tweets show it. And before you go off on who's the GM let me remind you that it's a players league.
 
I just think that's what the Blazers are looking to do now. Dame & CJ are ready to contend and there tweets show it. And before you go off on who's the GM let me remind you that it's a players league.
Hey man, I'm all for making a move that moves us up a tier (right now I see our ceiling being the #5 seed), but there's just not a lot of those kind of moves out there besides maybe Melo at this point.
 
Hey man, I'm all for making a move that moves us up a tier (right now I see our ceiling being the #5 seed), but there's just not a lot of those kind of moves out there besides maybe Melo at this point.
K Love? Didn't Melo say he wants to follow Kyrie in a tweet. AD will be available sooner or later.
 
If AD is available I'm putting CJ on the table immediately (along with picks of course)

Imagine a Nurk/Davis front line.
 
If AD is available I'm putting CJ on the table immediately (along with picks of course)

Imagine a Nurk/Davis front line.
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K Love? Didn't Melo say he wants to follow Kyrie in a tweet. AD will be available sooner or later.
Love was the other guy I was thinking about but unless we are giving up one of the core 3 for him, I don't think there's a deal there that makes sense for both teams until next summer at the earliest. And even then I presume there will be better offers out there for him than we'll be willing make.

AD would be awesome but there is no way we will be able outbid Boston.
 
Love was the other guy I was thinking about but unless we are giving up one of the core 3 for him, I don't think there's a deal there that makes sense for both teams until next summer at the earliest. And even then I presume there will be better offers out there for him than we'll be willing make.

AD would be awesome but there is no way we will be able outbid Boston.

I have no idea why people keep thinking that we would have the assets to get AD.
 
Mccollum is better than any player Boston could offer, not even close.

It's not about any one player. They have a metric SHIT TON of draft picks that all project to be high lottery. If the Pels were dumping Davis, it would be to start over, from scratch. The Celtics could offer a combination of players and lottery picks that virtually no other team could match.

Also, as good as CJ is, he's not a top 10 player like Davis, so it's still not a 1 to 1 trade in terms of talent. They're probably better off taking the bounty of high lotto picks and trying to draft another player on Davis' level.
 
It's not about any one player. They have a metric SHIT TON of draft picks that all project to be high lottery. If the Pels were dumping Davis, it would be to start over, from scratch. The Celtics could offer a combination of players and lottery picks that virtually no other team could match.

Also, as good as CJ is, he's not a top 10 player like Davis, so it's still not a 1 to 1 trade in terms of talent. They're probably better off taking the bounty of high lotto picks and trying to draft another player on Davis' level.

Because you can't build a team around CJ? I find it hard to believe that any team would value a hypothetical over a sure thing, otherwise you would see more draft picks traded for stars straight up.
 
Because you can't build a team around CJ? I find it hard to believe that any team would value a hypothetical over a sure thing, otherwise you would see more draft picks traded for stars straight up.

CJ is a really good player, but AD is arguably top 5 in the league. CJ isn't even an All-Star.
 

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