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Rastapopoulos said:
So... Bucks about to go down 0-2 to a team that's clearly less talented. Everybody's making bets as to where Giannis will end up when he becomes a FA in a year. What if the Bucks decide they can't afford to lose him for nothing, and they worry about him going somewhere like Miami, so he'd be in the same conference. They'd be more likely to ship him off out West to a non-rival.
Now, the trade partner would have to be like the Raptors with Kawhi, not afraid to gamble that he'd leave in a year. Meanwhile the big teams probably think they can land him as a FA and so would be less inclined to offer much of value in trade.
What about:
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This is actually a pretty painful trade for the Blazers, as they give up Nurk AND the newly-emerged Trent. And another team might see more potential in Simons and Little (and even Collins) than some Portland fans. But we'd have a year for Dame and CJ to persuade him to stay, and we'd find out if that's a Big 3 that can contend.

A man can dream, can't he?
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That's not even close enough to being good enough.
 
blazerkor said:
Well Grant is likely going to opt out of his contract with the Nuggets because he is making right around the MLE and could probably get more than that in free agency. We will only have the MLE to offer so he's not likely to end up here next season. For Kelly Oubre the contracts can match up pretty well, so if they are like in love with Ant or Nas and wanted cap relief by cutting Ariza and getting probably this year's first rounder and maybe even more picks we could make that happen. I don't know why they would want Ariza for Oubre, it just doesn't make sense to me so I can only see them wanting salary relief and assets. However if they did want some kind of package for Oubre I would be very hesitant because Oubre is on the final year of his current deal and I wouldn't want to give up a bunch of potential for a one year rental. That being said if there were some way to get some assurance (I'm pretty sure it would take tampering) from Oubre that he would sign an extension with us before the season started, then I would love to trade Ariza, Ant, this years first and a couple future seconds for Oubre it would be a good move for the future and not too bad of a move for next season either.

All of that said, if Grant opted out just because he wanted to be in Portland where his dad played and made a lateral movement as far as salary goes by taking the MLE from us then I would definitely start him over Melo... especially because we wouldn't have any money to sign Melo if we signed Grant. I was mostly just saying that if somehow we got those players you have listed up there, I would start Grant over Melo and I (not Stotts) would bring CJ off of the bench and start Gary. Oh and Oubre isn't a better defender than Ariza but he will be a better defender in a couple of years because Trevor will be retired.
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Ariza cant be traded unless his $12.8M becomes fully guaranteed. So they couldnt trade for Ariza just to cut him and save money.
 
BonesJones said:
Ariza cant be traded unless his $12.8M becomes fully guaranteed. So they couldnt trade for Ariza just to cut him and save money.
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I did not know that. I thought we had a window basically during the draft that we could trade Ariza and the team that got him would still have that option. Where did you find that information?
 
blazerkor said:
I did not know that. I thought we had a window basically during the draft that we could trade Ariza and the team that got him would still have that option. Where did you find that information?
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Itd be nice if we could! It was a loophole that was closed a couple years ago. JR Smith's contract last year was the last contract that could be traded in that manner since it was signed before that rule got put in place.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
So... Bucks about to go down 0-2 to a team that's clearly less talented. Everybody's making bets as to where Giannis will end up when he becomes a FA in a year. What if the Bucks decide they can't afford to lose him for nothing, and they worry about him going somewhere like Miami, so he'd be in the same conference. They'd be more likely to ship him off out West to a non-rival.
Now, the trade partner would have to be like the Raptors with Kawhi, not afraid to gamble that he'd leave in a year. Meanwhile the big teams probably think they can land him as a FA and so would be less inclined to offer much of value in trade.
What about:
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This is actually a pretty painful trade for the Blazers, as they give up Nurk AND the newly-emerged Trent. And another team might see more potential in Simons and Little (and even Collins) than some Portland fans. But we'd have a year for Dame and CJ to persuade him to stay, and we'd find out if that's a Big 3 that can contend.

A man can dream, can't he?
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Your proposal makes me realize there's probably just no way to trade for Giannis.... the Blazers need to keep enough talent to contend, but obviously the bucks need a massive haul.

It seems like Giannis would very likely be a one year rental, so again I don't think the Blazers can give up all those players.

Just seems like Milwaukee, if they lose badly, have to hope they do better next year and he stays.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Your proposal makes me realize there's probably just no way to trade for Giannis.... the Blazers need to keep enough talent to contend, but obviously the bucks need a massive haul.

It seems like Giannis would very likely be a one year rental, so again I don't think the Blazers can give up all those players.

Just seems like Milwaukee, if they lose badly, have to hope they do better next year and he stays.
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Dame and Giannis would be enough talent. Hell, the first proposal still has up keeping CJ.

Look at the Lakers, it's LeBron, AD, and a bunch of average players. In the NBA, no matter the era, if you have two of the best in the league, you have the advantage.
 
I don't think there is any chance Giannis gets traded this year. It's the Bucks' only chance for a title so what they ll do this summer is look for ways to improve not give up.
 
HolyBackboard said:
Dame and Giannis would be enough talent. Hell, the first proposal still has up keeping CJ.

Look at the Lakers, it's LeBron, AD, and a bunch of average players. In the NBA, no matter the era, if you have two of the best in the league, you have the advantage.
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Those proposals probably aren't enough for MIL but zap a lot of talent from the Blazers.

The Lakers do have a bunch of average talent, but just getting average talent isn't easy. We could end up with a rotation of Hezonjas, Tollivers, and Gabriel's. Those aren't getting a title.

Clippers cast is much better model than Lakers.

You give up maybe one good player for Giannis but 4 picks. Even that is hard for Blazers if it's a one year rental.

Bucks would rather risk Giannis leaves.

There just isn't a way I see to make this feasible even if bucks lose bad and Giannis appears on his way out.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Those proposals probably aren't enough for MIL but zap a lot of talent from the Blazers.

The Lakers do have a bunch of average talent, but just getting average talent isn't easy. We could end up with a rotation of Hezonjas, Tollivers, and Gabriel's. Those aren't getting a title.

Clippers cast is much better model than Lakers.

You give up maybe one good player for Giannis but 4 picks. Even that is hard for Blazers if it's a one year rental.

Bucks would rather risk Giannis leaves.

There just isn't a way I see to make this feasible even if bucks lose bad and Giannis appears on his way out.
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I think if Dame and Giannis happened in Portland, you would see a lot of Reggie Jackson/Markieff Morris type of players sign with Portland for the minimum and we'd likely be able to get a quality player with the MLE.
 
GDiama said:
I don't think there is any chance Giannis gets traded this year. It's the Bucks' only chance for a title so what they ll do this summer is look for ways to improve not give up.
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Agreed that it's very unlikely. But apparently all the chatter in the bubble is that he's going to end up in Miami or Toronto. If Milwaukee are hearing that, why not try to get something for him? Of course they'd prefer to add a star, but it's pretty hard to do that in a small market, as we know.

[Although, having said that, one Hail Mary the Bucks could try is trading for Chris Paul. That's a very real possibility.]
 
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WesleyMatthews said:
Those proposals probably aren't enough for MIL but zap a lot of talent from the Blazers.
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This is confusing. If it's not enough, then it won't happen, so the talent won't be "zapped".

WesleyMatthews said:
You give up maybe one good player for Giannis but 4 picks. Even that is hard for Blazers if it's a one year rental.
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Who's the "you"? The only single player that the Blazers have that could tempt the Bucks is Dame.

WesleyMatthews said:
Bucks would rather risk Giannis leaves.
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Depends, doesn't it? New Orleans didn't take that risk with AD.
 
I'll throw in my Giannis proposal - CJ, Zach and Trent Jr. for Giannis and R. Lopez (we'd have to throw in some picks too I'm sure)
It's not too far from what LA offered NOP - Ball, Ingraham and Hart, along with picks for AD
 
B-Roy said:
You're kidding right? Beal is better than CJ by almost every measurable category. Washington would laugh us off the phone.
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I thought the exact same thing. But I just did a comparison of the two on Basketball Reference and their stats are almost identical. CJ actually is a higher percentage shooter from 2, from 3, and from the line.

Shocked me.

Defensively they rated nearly identically, too.
 
PCmor7 said:
I thought the exact same thing. But I just did a comparison of the two on Basketball Reference and their stats are almost identical. CJ actually is a higher percentage shooter from 2, from 3, and from the line.

Shocked me.

Defensively they rated nearly identically, too.
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Are you just looking at raw stats? Because Beal's advanced stats are all superior across the board.

And this is without even considering the defensive side of the ball.

Here is Beal at age 26 last year vs CJ at age 25:

https://stathead.com/tiny/oaNf8

This is actually being extremely kind to CJ because it's his best season by far.
 
B-Roy said:
Are you just looking at raw stats? Because Beal's advanced stats are all superior across the board.

And this is without even considering the defensive side of the ball.

Here is Beal at age 26 last year vs CJ at age 25:

https://stathead.com/tiny/oaNf8

This is actually being extremely kind to CJ because it's his best season by far.
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I wasn't as focused on what you'd call the advance stats. It surprises me that there's that much of a difference there, because the raw stats are so close.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm...cCollum&player_id2=mccolcj01&idx=bbr__players
 
last season, CJ 28, Beal 26:

PER: Beal 23.2....CJ 17.0
TS: Beal .579....CJ .541
FT Rate: Beal .351....CJ .136
assist rate: Beal 29.5%....CJ 19.1%
winshare/48: Beal 0.118....CJ o.o77
BoxPM: Beal 2.9....CJ 0.5

now, Beal had a higher usage rate and more FGA's. Of course, that made Beal the focus of opposing defenses, much like Dame. CJ gets to draft off Dame's wake. But those impact stats clearly show Beal with a big advantage
 
PCmor7 said:
I wasn't as focused on what you'd call the advance stats. It surprises me that there's that much of a difference there, because the raw stats are so close.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Bradley Beal&player_id1_select=Bradley Beal&player_id1=bealbr01&idx=bbr__players&player_id2_hint=CJ McCollum&player_id2_select=CJ McCollum&player_id2=mccolcj01&idx=bbr__players
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You're also looking at career numbers. Beal is obviously not the same player he was when he came into the league, same with CJ. Do a comparison of the last few seasons.
 
PCmor7 said:
I thought the exact same thing. But I just did a comparison of the two on Basketball Reference and their stats are almost identical. CJ actually is a higher percentage shooter from 2, from 3, and from the line.

Shocked me.

Defensively they rated nearly identically, too.
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They are incredibly similar. CJ's stats would also be better if he was the primary option, which Beal has been for the past 18 months.

CJ won us a playoff series. Again, I'm rolling with CJ.
 
HolyBackboard said:
They are incredibly similar. CJ's stats would also be better if he was the primary option, which Beal has been for the past 18 months.

CJ won us a playoff series. Again, I'm rolling with CJ.
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Yeah they’re pretty similar. I will say that Beal is better, not by much though. With that being said on this team they would pretty much be the same. They both would be stuck playing second option to a hall of fame PG right in the middle of his prime. For that reason I would not trade CJ for Beal, the team wouldn’t improve a whole lot anywhere if there even any
 
We need someone like Crowder so much. He has some good years ahead of him as well unlike Ariza. What's the max we can offer him? MLE?
 
Word is, Oladipo might not be too happy in Indiana. Would a Dipo + Doug McDermott trade for CJ make sense in such a case? Secondary creator and wing defender and a plus shooter with some size.

A trade target which intruiges me is Chandler Hutchinson. Not a great player by any means but could be a low cost, good fit.

I'd alos look into signing names like Shaq Harrison and Kris Dunn.

One of my favorite underrated fits this free agency is Kenrich Williams. Defense, size and unfortunately not much shooting.

Draft pick at #16: Patrick Williams. If Williams is gone, trade down and grab Josh Green.
#46, if he's there: Paul Reed. Sign, since he'll probably go undrafted, Trevelin Queen. If not, I'd be happy to obtain a low 2nd to grab him. Good cultural fit and skillwise as well.

I wouldnt mind seeing if we'd be able to get a good upgrade if we'd trade a Zach Collins + Ant Simons package.
 
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B-Roy said:
You're also looking at career numbers. Beal is obviously not the same player he was when he came into the league, same with CJ. Do a comparison of the last few seasons.
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I never said they were the same player or that C.J. was as good as Beal. I said I was surprised that their numbers were so close.

Good lord. Some of you guys hate CJ so much that even if someone makes a casual observation that makes him look decent it becomes the Spanish Inquisition.
 
PCmor7 said:
I never said they were the same player or that C.J. was as good as Beal. I said I was surprised that their numbers were so close.

Good lord. Some of you guys hate CJ so much that even if someone makes a casual observation that makes him look decent it becomes the Spanish Inquisition.
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Nobody should have to expect the Spanish Inquisition.
 
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Btw, ATL probably will want to create capspace to resign John Collins. That means they could free up a lot by releasing Dedmon (theyd have 1M left on the books in that case). This could be a good opportunity for us. Post defense, rebounding and long range shooting (although his 3pt shooting fell off a cliff last year) at what should be a reasonable price.
 
B-Roy said:
You're kidding right? Beal is better than CJ by almost every measurable category. Washington would laugh us off the phone.
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CJ, Zach and a couple of first rounders though... that might get the job done, would be good for us and get them more quality players and a different look. I do think there are better trades out there for them if they are looking to move on from Beal and there also might be better trades for us if we decide to move on from CJ and make the majority of our roster available.
 
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