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It’s probably been posted but Woj was on whatever this show is called about a week ago and listed Portland as one of the few teams talking to Philly about Simmons. Interesting. Starts around 1:35. He also mentions that a lot of the scenarios are three, four team deals. I doubt that includes Portland since I do believe Quicks report that they’d only be interested in a straight up deal for CJ. Morey just needs to admit he’s not getting a better player (that fits their timeline) than McCollum.

 
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It’s probably been posted but Woj was on whatever this show is called about a week ago and listed Portland as one of the few teams talking to Philly about Simmons. Interesting. Starts around 1:35. He also mentions that a lot of the scenarios are three, four team deals. I doubt that includes Portland since I do believe Quicks report that they’d only be interested in a straight up deal for CJ. Morey just needs to admit he’s not getting a better player (that fits their timeline) than McCollum.


I do think we could be involved in a multi team deal that sends CJ out and brings in a better fitting forward from a team other than the Sixers (for me hopefully not Dray). So we could still get a one for one deal in a Simmons deal that doesn't net us Simmons.

That being said, Morey should wake up and realize how good CJ would be for that team. CJ, Thybulle or Milton, Green, Harris and Embiid is scary good, with Seth, whoever isn't starting between Milton and Thybulle, Korkmaz, Maxie, Niang and Drummond off the bench. That team is more competitive than last year's, if CJ plays like he has in the past when he's been the lead guard.
 
I do think we could be involved in a multi team deal that sends CJ out and brings in a better fitting forward from a team other than the Sixers (for me hopefully not Dray). So we could still get a one for one deal in a Simmons deal that doesn't net us Simmons.

That being said, Morey should wake up and realize how good CJ would be for that team. CJ, Thybulle or Milton, Green, Harris and Embiid is scary good, with Seth, whoever isn't starting between Milton and Thybulle, Korkmaz, Maxie, Niang and Drummond off the bench. That team is more competitive than last year's, if CJ plays like he has in the past when he's been the lead guard.

On offense, a CJ/Embiid pairing is at least as effective as CJ/Dame and better than Simmons/Embiid. Morey needs to stop worrying about getting the biggest possible name, and recognize that a CJ deal is almost zero risk for the 6ers. (they have enough other good defenders to cover for CJ)

On the flip side, Olshey needs to recognize that the risk in this deal is almost 100% on our end and stand firm on CJ and (maybe) 2 picks. Why should we bail Morey out by over-paying? It's pretty obvious nobody else has made him a better offer.
 
Including RoCo in a deal for Simmons is foolish. It's 1 step forward, 2 back. And it affects the depth of the bench. I want Neil to re-sign RoCo for the long term.

Bingo. This deal won't make the Blazers better on offense, so the focus needs to be on what it can do to improve our defense. Including RoCo in the deal defeats that purpose. In fact, RoCo would be the 2nd to last guy you would include in the deal! (Dame is obviously still #1)
 
have we ever heard any report or rumor that Olshey has even offered CJ for Simmons? I know that's the assumption by many but I can't recall anything other than Portland might be interested in a one-for-one deal
 
have we ever heard any report or rumor that Olshey has even offered CJ for Simmons? I know that's the assumption by many but I can't recall anything other than Portland might be interested in a one-for-one deal

All trade discussion is just an intellectual exercise until the deal actually happens.
 
have we ever heard any report or rumor that Olshey has even offered CJ for Simmons? I know that's the assumption by many but I can't recall anything other than Portland might be interested in a one-for-one deal
No but the thing Olshey is best at is controlling the information coming out of his front office. So I would actually think it was a smokescreen if there was a sourced rumor about CJ to the Sixers.

Unless of course you count Stephen A.'s BS from last week. Which when I listened to it didn't sound as stupid; it seemed like he wasn't saying that we were offering CJ, RoCo and two first rounders for Simmons but just that those assets had all been made available in one package or another.
 
All trade discussion is just an intellectual exercise until the deal actually happens.

sure

I guess I'm wondering since in the last 4 years, Paul George Jimmy Butler, Kawhi, & Harden have all been traded, and the only thing we've heard is that CJ was not available for at least 2 of them; implying he likely wasn't available for the other two. I'd wonder why that has changed with Simmons
 
have we ever heard any report or rumor that Olshey has even offered CJ for Simmons? I know that's the assumption by many but I can't recall anything other than Portland might be interested in a one-for-one deal
Not sure, but I wonder why Morey seems to think either Dame or Beal could be available. Is it a hunch based on all the rumors or has he been tipped off by an agent or GM that 1 of the 2 will be available?
 
Unless of course you count Stephen A.'s BS from last week. Which when I listened to it didn't sound as stupid; it seemed like he wasn't saying that we were offering CJ, RoCo and two first rounders for Simmons but just that those assets had all been made available in one package or another.

I heard that and I didn't believe it at all. My guess is that Smith pulled it out of his ass or it was either Morey or an agent trying to prime a pump and inflate Philly's leverage

I remain unconvinced that Olshey will ever trade CJ. I'll gladly eat crow if he does
 
Not sure, but I wonder why Morey seems to think either Dame or Beal could be available. Is it a hunch based on all the rumors or has he been tipped off by an agent or GM that 1 of the 2 will be available?

could easily be a Morey pipedream

but it also could be based upon stuff Olshey has said to Morey...aren't they supposedly friends?
 
have we ever heard any report or rumor that Olshey has even offered CJ for Simmons? I know that's the assumption by many but I can't recall anything other than Portland might be interested in a one-for-one deal
I've linked you to the one report the few times you've asked this. If you don't like the source, that's fine. But it seems more like you dismiss it because it doesn't fit your narrative.
There's been other brief mentions in random articles of that generically being our offer, but Philly wants dame.
And now we have another saying they'd potentially be interested in a 1 for 1, which could only be 1 player.
It's not like woj is going to say portland is offering CJ, if that's what you're waiting for.
 
I've linked you to the one report the few times you've asked this. If you don't like the source, that's fine. But it seems more like you dismiss it because it doesn't fit your narrative.
There's been other brief mentions in random articles of that generically being our offer, but Philly wants dame.
And now we have another saying they'd potentially be interested in a 1 for 1, which could only be 1 player.
It's not like woj is going to say portland is offering CJ, if that's what you're waiting for.

I don't remember the link...?

and I did mention the one-for-one
 
have we ever heard any report or rumor that Olshey has even offered CJ for Simmons? I know that's the assumption by many but I can't recall anything other than Portland might be interested in a one-for-one deal

except the report didn’t include might. Quick straight up said that’s what they’re interested in. Add Woj’ report of their interest and it’s pretty easy to conclude what the offer is.
 
except the report didn’t include might. Quick straight up said that’s what they’re interested in. Add Woj’ report of their interest and it’s pretty easy to conclude what the offer is.
And Ryen Russilo said that the CJ swap is there for Morey whenever he wants it on a podcast last week.
 
And Ryen Russilo said that the CJ swap is there for Morey whenever he wants it on a podcast last week.

if that's true it will be interesting to see what Simmons is eventually traded for, and yeah, I'm assuming he'll be traded sometime before the deadline

which reminds me....has anyone confirmed if Portland could arbitrarily remove the protections on the 2022 pick they traded to Cleveland? or would Cleveland have to consent to the change?
 
if that's true it will be interesting to see what Simmons is eventually traded for, and yeah, I'm assuming he'll be traded sometime before the deadline

which reminds me....has anyone confirmed if Portland could arbitrarily remove the protections on the 2022 pick they traded to Cleveland? or would Cleveland have to consent to the change?
It's Chicago that has our pick. We can't do it on our own, they would have to consent. However, I imagine that would be a pretty easy conversation withthem, because they traded away their 2023 pick already. SO if they wanted to make a trade in season this year to compete, they wouldn't be able to offer up their own first round pick, since ours isn't guaranteed to convey. Would give them a lot more flexibility if we guaranteed it.
 
if that's true it will be interesting to see what Simmons is eventually traded for, and yeah, I'm assuming he'll be traded sometime before the deadline

which reminds me....has anyone confirmed if Portland could arbitrarily remove the protections on the 2022 pick they traded to Cleveland? or would Cleveland have to consent to the change?
Chicago has the pick - not Cleveland.... but I believe they can change the protections (to be more liberal) unilaterally.
 
Rumor this morning is LeVert being offered in Simmons trades....


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Maybe I am being too sentimental, but I would like to see Sabonis in a Blazer uniform. You would likely have to have a 2nd deal to move Nurk, as I doubt he would work well with Sabonis or be happy about the situation. Maybe bring in a stretch big?
 
Rumor this morning is LeVert being offered in Simmons trades....


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I like the trade machine, but how they compute plus/minus on wins/losses is silly. So this trade has Simmons going to the Pacers with Curry and the wins are +1. When you do a CJ for Simmons, the Blazers are like minus 7. So Seth Curry is worth + 8?
 
Trade CJ for Sabonis? Instead of getting a wing in a CJ deal to help our positional rotations this actually makes the rotation much worse.

I agree there would need to be another deal to move Nurk. I couldn't find any teams that makes sense, they either dont need a center or don't need a veteran as they are rebuilding.

Even without the positional concerns I prefer CJ over Sabonis.
 
Sabonis is a 2-time all-star who averaged 20 points, 12 rebs, & 7 assists last season, and he's a couple of years younger than Nurkic. He's clearly better than CJ. He's got a bargain contract for an all-star, but maybe not as big a bargain for a C

problem is I don't know how much trade value Nurkic has, and the Blazers would definitely need to move Nurkic
 
Trade CJ for Sabonis? Instead of getting a wing in a CJ deal to help our positional rotations this actually makes the rotation much worse.

I agree there would need to be another deal to move Nurk. I couldn't find any teams that makes sense, they either dont need a center or don't need a veteran as they are rebuilding.

Even without the positional concerns I prefer CJ over Sabonis.
I do think we could find a trade partner if we put Nurk on the block but that doesn't need to be done. As he showed last night he is capable of and probably going to space the court in the same way Brook Lopez does for the Bucks (he'll shoot 4 a game and make one or two keeping defenses from leaving him when he drifts outside). That actually makes it so he could definitely coexist with Simmons. So again, if that trade can be made (CJ+ for Simmons) then that is the trade to make.
 
Sabonis is a 2-time all-star who averaged 20 points, 12 rebs, & 7 assists last season, and he's a couple of years younger than Nurkic. He's clearly better than CJ. He's got a bargain contract for an all-star, but maybe not as big a bargain for a C

problem is I don't know how much trade value Nurkic has, and the Blazers would definitely need to move Nurkic
does this framework (picks yet to be included) make sense? Raptors have a glut of 3/4 swing dudes and only Boucher as their C (who yet again, got injured). Plus we now have a history of trading our FAs to Toronto (albeit without bird rights this time). I'd much rather have Simmons, but this is intriguing to me.

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I like the trade machine, but how they compute plus/minus on wins/losses is silly. So this trade has Simmons going to the Pacers with Curry and the wins are +1. When you do a CJ for Simmons, the Blazers are like minus 7. So Seth Curry is worth + 8?
The one on ESPN is bit more realistic as it uses PER. This one from fanspo uses total minutes played last year and is skewed heavily in cases where guys miss substantial amount of time.
 
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