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Ive been after the CJ for Porzingis move as it makes since for both teams.
 
Scalma said:
so the shitty defensive team adding Porzingis makes sense?
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We need a forward that's over 6'6, that can score, board, and play some 5 when needed. We'd be trading CJ that isn't a great defender either.
Dallas needs another ball handler that can score.
 
Hoopguru said:
We need a forward that's over 6'6, that can score, board, and play some 5 when needed. We'd be trading CJ that isn't a great defender either.
Dallas needs another ball handler that can score.
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I mean yeah we do, but we also don’t need any more defensive liabilities. It’s moving issues from one position to another. And I don’t see Porzingis as an upgrade over CJ offensively. And he’d be a downgrade defensively over Roco and Nance. It just doesn’t make sense.

What we need are defenders that can switch on the perimeter and guys that can create for others. Preferably one of each.
 
Scalma said:
so the shitty defensive team adding Porzingis makes sense?
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I must admit that it kind of intrigues me. (1 for 1) We are not that bad defensively with Norm at SG, and Little, Nance, and Roco rotating at forward. The problem is that it is not enough scoring in the frontcourt. A lineup of Dame, Norm, Little, Nance, and Porzingis might work well. (Simons, Roco, and Nurk rounding out the top 8)
 
Scalma said:
I mean yeah we do, but we also don’t need any more defensive liabilities. It’s moving issues from one position to another. And I don’t see Porzingis as an upgrade over CJ offensively. And he’d be a downgrade defensively over Roco and Nance. It just doesn’t make sense.

What we need are defenders that can switch on the perimeter and guys that can create for others. Preferably one of each.
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I think he can be a decent rim protector and rebounder along with scoring down low. How many points does RoCo & Larry give you consistently down low. Larry isnt an offensive player and that's cool Id bring him off the bench and allow RoCo to play three and Powell 2.
 
Hoopguru said:
I think he can be a decent rim protector and rebounder along with scoring down low. How many points does RoCo & Larry give you consistently down low. Larry isnt an offensive player and that's cool Id bring him off the bench and allow RoCo to play three and Powell 2.
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Porzingis isn’t a good low post scorer.
 
CJ for Porzingas?

ok now, the problem with CJ is that the NBA is dominated by 2-way 6'6-6'10 wings who can shoot from the perimeter and put the ball on the floor and drive. Guys with strength and speed. CJ's problem is that at 6'3 he has no prayer of defending those guys, and him taking minutes and usage restricts Portland's ability to matchup with those wings

so then, the solution to a 6'3 SG problem is to trade it for a 7'3 PF problem?
 
wizenheimer said:
CJ for Porzingas?

ok now, the problem with CJ is that the NBA is dominated by 2-way 6'6-6'10 wings who can shoot from the perimeter and put the ball on the floor and drive. Guys with strength and speed. CJ's problem is that at 6'3 he has no prayer of defending those guys, and him taking minutes and usage restricts Portland's ability to matchup with those wings

so then, the solution to a 6'3 SG problem is to trade it for a 7'3 PF problem?
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he get 1 1/5 blocks per game how many does Nurk get 1/2 pg. He's a much better rim protector than Nurk. He shoots a high percentage?
 
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much like the rest of the country, im guessing nba front offices are closed until the first week of january.

no trades happening anytime soon.
 
illmatic99 said:
much like the rest of the country, im guessing nba front offices are closed until the first week of january.

no trades happening anytime soon.
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I don't think these people are wired that way. They might not be in the office but when they hear shit from a source they're on their phones. I bet none of them put their phones down even on Christmas. Especially our front office right now. Cronin can't let anything get past him if he wants that interim tag to come off. There are a lot of front offices with pressure to improve as soon as possible. So I don't think these guys ever take a two week holiday.
 
We have 3 players in the top 50 in DBPM

Nurk
Nance
RoCo (who’s now top 25)

Yet these guys get thrown in hypothetical trades or get mentioned by media (nance) as trade pieces more than anyone else.

Our three guard lineup with Dame, CJ, and Powell have been a net negative, yet they’ve played nearly 4 times as many minutes as any other combination.

I’m prioritizing trading both CJ and Powell if I’m
Cronin. Neither is coming off the bench and have more value in a trade anyway.
 
blazerkor said:
I don't think these people are wired that way. They might not be in the office but when they hear shit from a source they're on their phones. I bet none of them put their phones down even on Christmas. Especially our front office right now. Cronin can't let anything get past him if he wants that interim tag to come off. There are a lot of front offices with pressure to improve as soon as possible. So I don't think these guys ever take a two week holiday.
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they all on vacay bro. ain't nobody working this week or next.
 
Scalma said:
We have 3 players in the top 50 in DBPM

Nurk
Nance
RoCo (who’s now top 25)

Yet these guys get thrown in hypothetical trades or get mentioned by media (nance) as trade pieces more than anyone else.

Our three guard lineup with Dame, CJ, and Powell have been a net negative, yet they’ve played nearly 4 times as many minutes as any other combination.

I’m prioritizing trading both CJ and Powell if I’m
Cronin. Neither is coming off the bench and have more value in a trade anyway.
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roco being that high on that list is genuinely surprising to me.
 
illmatic99 said:
roco being that high on that list is genuinely surprising to me.
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Yeah his DPM and steal percentages are identical to last season while his blocks are up. It’s on the other end where he’s struggled, although it’s been more inconsistency than anything as he shot nearly 39% from outside in November. No doubt he’s gonna have trade value, but we shouldn’t trade him just to trade him.
 
Scalma said:
No doubt he’s gonna have trade value, but we shouldn’t trade him just to trade him.
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well ive been beating this drum for a while now that he will have value. any team looking for a defensive minded wing would want him and he's more than just a salary dump.

that said, if we can extract a first for him, i'll be helping him pack. after this rocky start, i see him walking this summer in FA and i don't want to lose another asset for nothig.
 
illmatic99 said:
well ive been beating this drum for a while now that he will have value. any team looking for a defensive minded wing would want him and he's more than just a salary dump.

that said, if we can extract a first for him, i'll be helping him pack. after this rocky start, i see him walking this summer in FA and i don't want to lose another asset for nothig.
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I don’t think we should be prioritizing dumping defensive minded players. Theres a surplus at guard you can get picks for instead. Having rocos bird rights helps as well, should they decide they wanna keep him long term.
 
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POR
out: CJ, Nurk, Roco, Simons, 2 firsts
in: Simmons, Sabonis, Kemba

PHI
out: Simmons
in: CJ + 3 firsts (POR/POR/DAL)

IND
out: Sabonis
in: Nurk, Simons, 1 first (NY)
(they would still need a subsequent move for Turner obviously)

NY
out: Kemba
in: Roco + 2 firsts
(think NY might be the only one to balk, but if the value for roco is one pick, the value to dump kemba's contract for next year might be another)

We end up with: Dame/Powell/Simmons/Nance/Sabonis, with Kemba/Nas topping off the 7 man rotation. Figuring Ben Mac would get more run which he should. Losing depth here but a trio of Dame/Simmons/Sabonis is three bonafide all stars. Still would need to move Snell/Cody to duck the tax.
 

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POR
out: CJ, Nurk, Roco, Simons, 2 firsts
in: Simmons, Sabonis, Kemba

PHI
out: Simmons
in: CJ + 3 firsts (POR/POR/DAL)

IND
out: Sabonis
in: Nurk, Simons, 1 first (NY)
(they would still need a subsequent move for Turner obviously)

NY
out: Kemba
in: Roco + 2 firsts
(think NY might be the only one to balk, but if the value for roco is one pick, the value to dump kemba's contract for next year might be another)

We end up with: Dame/Powell/Simmons/Nance/Sabonis, with Kemba/Nas topping off the 7 man rotation. Figuring Ben Mac would get more run which he should. Losing depth here but a trio of Dame/Simmons/Sabonis is three bonafide all stars. Still would need to move Snell/Cody to duck the tax.
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Love it
 
Slight variation to above idea-- sub Turner for Sabonis, and we keep Simons. Think that's probably a better fit for both us and the Pacers.

anyone got trader joe's email?
 
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POR
out: CJ, Nurk, Roco, Simons, 2 firsts
in: Simmons, Sabonis, Kemba

PHI
out: Simmons
in: CJ + 3 firsts (POR/POR/DAL)

IND
out: Sabonis
in: Nurk, Simons, 1 first (NY)
(they would still need a subsequent move for Turner obviously)

NY
out: Kemba
in: Roco + 2 firsts
(think NY might be the only one to balk, but if the value for roco is one pick, the value to dump kemba's contract for next year might be another)

We end up with: Dame/Powell/Simmons/Nance/Sabonis, with Kemba/Nas topping off the 7 man rotation. Figuring Ben Mac would get more run which he should. Losing depth here but a trio of Dame/Simmons/Sabonis is three bonafide all stars. Still would need to move Snell/Cody to duck the tax.
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Indiana: Has no need for Nurk, the whole point of trading one of Sabonis/Turner is to balance out their roster. they're not trading both, so what exactly is the point of this trade for them? They also already have a young scoring guard in Duarte, so they probably dont value a guy like Simons.

NY: Kemba is an expiring contract next season, they dont need to attach a first to dump him and I doubt Roco fetches a first either, especially not from the Knicks, where he would be a bench player as he's never gonna start over Randle or RJ.

Love these trade proposals that put zero to no thought into other teams' needs and situations.
 
Turner is better fit. I don't think they would part with Sabonis for Nurk, Ant and a pick. That is not a great haul.
 
Scalma said:
Indiana: Has no need for Nurk, the whole point of trading one of Sabonis/Turner is to balance out their roster. they're not trading both, so what exactly is the point of this trade for them? They also already have a young scoring guard in Duarte, so they probably dont value a guy like Simons.

NY: Kemba is an expiring contract next season, they dont need to attach a first to dump him and I doubt Roco fetches a first either, especially not from the Knicks, where he would be a bench player as he's never gonna start over Randle or RJ.

Love these trade proposals that put zero to no thought into other teams' needs and situations.
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insult aside, think you're wrong on a few of these fronts.
 
This trade was on Bleacher Report. I can't verify with the trade machine on ESPN, since it won't let you include Norm in a trade, so not sure how realistic it is. I know it would have to wait until January 15th since Norm is included. I would rather see Ant included and keep Nas.

Portland Trail Blazers Receive: G/F Ben Simmons, C Myles Turner, G/F Danny Green

Indiana Pacers Receive: SG CJ McCollum, F Nassir Little, C Cody Zeller, 2024 first-round pick (lottery-protected, via Portland Trail Blazers*), 2022 second-round pick (via Portland)

Philadelphia 76ers Receive: G/F Caris LeVert, SG Norman Powell, PF Larry Nance Jr.
 
Dame/simons
Green/mclemore
Simmons/
Turner/roco
Nurk


I dont really like that team. If we could trade nurk for some desperately needed death maybe?
 
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POR
out: CJ, Nurk, Roco, Simons, 2 firsts
in: Simmons, Sabonis, Kemba

PHI
out: Simmons
in: CJ + 3 firsts (POR/POR/DAL)

IND
out: Sabonis
in: Nurk, Simons, 1 first (NY)
(they would still need a subsequent move for Turner obviously)

NY
out: Kemba
in: Roco + 2 firsts
(think NY might be the only one to balk, but if the value for roco is one pick, the value to dump kemba's contract for next year might be another)

We end up with: Dame/Powell/Simmons/Nance/Sabonis, with Kemba/Nas topping off the 7 man rotation. Figuring Ben Mac would get more run which he should. Losing depth here but a trio of Dame/Simmons/Sabonis is three bonafide all stars. Still would need to move Snell/Cody to duck the tax.
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Sabonis and Simmons is my ultimate re-tooling scenario - fans would flock back.

Find a way to add Kenyon Martin, Jr (bench energy/shot blocking) to that return and it’s perfect.
 
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