Trade Ideas Thread

[illmatic99]

This trade was on Bleacher Report. I can't verify with the trade machine on ESPN, since it won't let you include Norm in a trade, so not sure how realistic it is. I know it would have to wait until January 15th since Norm is included. I would rather see Ant included and keep Nas.

Portland Trail Blazers Receive: G/F Ben Simmons, C Myles Turner, G/F Danny Green

Indiana Pacers Receive: SG CJ McCollum, F Nassir Little, C Cody Zeller, 2024 first-round pick (lottery-protected, via Portland Trail Blazers*), 2022 second-round pick (via Portland)

Philadelphia 76ers Receive: G/F Caris LeVert, SG Norman Powell, PF Larry Nance Jr.

the numbers would work, but i feel like it's a bit complicated. would Philly prefer LeVert+ Powell over CJ? why is there a nance for green swap happening?



it can be simplified more than this. And we'd still have to trade Nurk. And is Ant our SG?

 

[illmatic99]

Dame/simons
Green/mclemore
Simmons/
Turner/roco
Nurk


I dont really like that team. If we could trade nurk for some desperately needed death maybe?

generally id agree. but could a nurk/turner duo work with simmons as the versatile wing that could hold that defensive lineup together?

Cavs are making a three 7 footer lineup work and have a top level defense largely based on Mobley's versatility. maybe...

 

[blazerkor]

There's a Detroit fan idea that has RoCo, Ant and a future first going to Detroit for Grant. I don't think that can be the only deal that we do but I do like it.

If we followed that up with CJ and Larry to the Pacers for LeVert and Turner. That would make us really nice.

Then obviously we would trade Nurk and I just read an article the other day bout how the Raptors and Celtics might both be interested in Nurk. I have pitched a version of this trade before but if the Raptors would give up Boucher (which they would), Flynn, Watanabe and their upcoming first rounder, then I'd do that and maybe even use the first rounder to make the deal with Indy easier for them to say yes to.

I think Flynn could give DSJ a run for his money to become our backup PG but LeVert has run the point a lot during his career too.

I think a starting lineup of Dame, Norm, LeVert, Boucher, Turner with Nas as a sixth man is a great start. We obviously have other bench players that have contributed but those would be the six players central to our success and I think we would be a very hard team to score on and have a ton of shot makers around Dame that can also slash to the rim.

 

[blazerkor]

generally id agree. but could a nurk/turner duo work with simmons as the versatile wing that could hold that defensive lineup together?

Cavs are making a three 7 footer lineup work and have a top level defense largely based on Mobley's versatility. maybe...

All of the Cavs 7 footers are much more mobile than Nurk. I think you'd have to move Nurk in that situation and there would be options to do so.

 

[PCmor7]

View attachment 43246


POR
out: CJ, Nurk, Roco, Simons, 2 firsts
in: Simmons, Sabonis, Kemba

PHI
out: Simmons
in: CJ + 3 firsts (POR/POR/DAL)

IND
out: Sabonis
in: Nurk, Simons, 1 first (NY)
(they would still need a subsequent move for Turner obviously)

NY
out: Kemba
in: Roco + 2 firsts
(think NY might be the only one to balk, but if the value for roco is one pick, the value to dump kemba's contract for next year might be another)

We end up with: Dame/Powell/Simmons/Nance/Sabonis, with Kemba/Nas topping off the 7 man rotation. Figuring Ben Mac would get more run which he should. Losing depth here but a trio of Dame/Simmons/Sabonis is three bonafide all stars. Still would need to move Snell/Cody to duck the tax.

THIS is the trade. I've been hoping someone would come up with a way we could acquire Simmons and Sabonis without dealing Nas or a million draft picks and this not only does that, it also keeps Norm and Nance who actually fit really well with this rotation or still could be dealt to get a little more length on the wing or another big.

The only minor eh is taking Kemba instead of someone a little younger or with a little more length, but it's a very, very minor quibble. He's still like a Dame-lite or Chris Paul-lite. You can easily play him 12 minutes or so at PG in resting Dame and not have to change your offensive approach at all, and he has the clutch gene.

Keeping Nas is a priority for me right now over anyone but Dame, because he's so versatile. I'd like to see him a little more at the 2, but I don't cringe seeing him guard a really good PG, he's a three-level scorer, he outrebounds his height, he's athletic and physical. He's getting to a point where you start to expect him to get 10 and 7 without designing stuff to get him shots. Considering how much time he's missed with injury and illness, it's pretty remarkable.

Yeah, three legit all-stars. Vastly improved ballhandling and defense with very little sacrifice in terms of offense and rebounding. Good depth. That roster can compete with anyone in the West. It's not perfect, but none are. It makes teams have to give up certain things to have to contain the things you can do well. I have a hard time believing the Pacers would trade Sabonis, but if this trade could get done, I'd be giddy.

 

[illmatic99]

I don't think these people are wired that way. They might not be in the office but when they hear shit from a source they're on their phones. I bet none of them put their phones down even on Christmas. Especially our front office right now. Cronin can't let anything get past him if he wants that interim tag to come off. There are a lot of front offices with pressure to improve as soon as possible. So I don't think these guys ever take a two week holiday.

just fyi, i think a lot of the league's front office personnel are actually in vegas right now for the GLeague showcase. I asked Fischer if Cronin is there but he didn't respond. But quite a few others are definitely there.

https://gleague.nba.com/news/58715/

 

[LayneStaley]

think I do it

 

[PCmor7]

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think I do it

IMO, that's waaaaaay too much for a top talent who can't shoot the 3, a good stretch big and a geriatric version of Ben McLemore. The Blazers would be giving up both off-guards who average around 20 ppg with no one to replace them, a versatile starting big, their best young talent and two draft picks that would help them at least get cheap role players that would help offset what they traded away.

 

[Hoopguru]

New mock trade has Sixers moving Ben Simmons to Blazers in 3-team deal

 

[riverman]

I just read a trade idea that had Portland trading CJ alone for Bogdonavic, Cam Reddish...some guy with a last name Okongwu....and we get Atlanta's 22 first round pick....I thought that seemed like a good deal...and CJ being in Atlanta would be useful as president of the players union. ...that's trading a 6'3 guy for a 6'6 guy and two 6'8 guys.....

 

[julius]

New mock trade has Sixers moving Ben Simmons to Blazers in 3-team deal

so 5 players + 2 picks for Simmons and Turner.

That decimates the team for Simmons basically. No thanks.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

so 5 players + 2 picks for Simmons and Turner.

That decimates the team for Simmons basically. No thanks.

Quality over quantity.

Although I’d try to work in Sabonis rather than Turner.

A PF/C combo of Simmons and Sabas meshes extremely well.

 

[julius]

Quality over quantity.

Although I’d try to work in Sabonis rather than Turner.

A PF/C combo of Simmons and Sabas meshes extremely well.

I'm not sure the "quality" is that much more, all things considered.

The Blazers are giving up 57 points and in return are getting 35 in return. And would then be relying on Simons as their SG OR completely moving Damian out of his natural position and making Simmons the PG.

 

[Hoopguru]

I just read a trade idea that had Portland trading CJ alone for Bogdonavic, Cam Reddish...some guy with a last name Okongwu....and we get Atlanta's 22 first round pick....I thought that seemed like a good deal...and CJ being in Atlanta would be useful as president of the players union. ...that's trading a 6'3 guy for a 6'6 guy and two 6'8 guys.....

Wow...all that for CJ ? I cant see Atlanta doing it but hey Id do it in a heart beat.
Reddish went off tonight for 30 +

 

[Hoopguru]

so 5 players + 2 picks for Simmons and Turner.

That decimates the team for Simmons basically. No thanks.

yeah, I thought it to much too.

 

[julius]

I just read a trade idea that had Portland trading CJ alone for Bogdonavic, Cam Reddish...some guy with a last name Okongwu....and we get Atlanta's 22 first round pick....I thought that seemed like a good deal...and CJ being in Atlanta would be useful as president of the players union. ...that's trading a 6'3 guy for a 6'6 guy and two 6'8 guys.....

Bogdonavic isn't anything to get excited about (he's almost 30), Reddish is a decent role player who is a career 38% shooter (that's not his 3 point fg% either). And Okongwu has played 51 games total, and he's clearly a long term project.
And the 22nd pick is probably a late lotto. This isn't even a lateral trade for Portland.

I'm confused...the idea is to get better, right?

 

[julius]

Wow...all that for CJ ? I cant see Atlanta doing it but hey Id do it in a heart beat.
Reddish went off tonight for 30 +

Reddish has a career shooting % that is under 39%.

 

[RR7]

I just read a trade idea that had Portland trading CJ alone for Bogdonavic, Cam Reddish...some guy with a last name Okongwu....and we get Atlanta's 22 first round pick....I thought that seemed like a good deal...and CJ being in Atlanta would be useful as president of the players union. ...that's trading a 6'3 guy for a 6'6 guy and two 6'8 guys.....

There's no way Atlanta would do that. I would in a heart beat

 

[KSF-ERIC]

so 5 players + 2 picks for Simmons and Turner.

That decimates the team for Simmons basically. No thanks.

I like the deal for all 3 teams. You forgot we get Danny Green too.

Dame/Green/RoCo/Simmons/Turner
Simons/McLemore/Snell/Brown/Nurk is better than what we have now. Of course Nurk would be traded too. Maybe for Plumlee or RoLo.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

There's no way Atlanta would do that. I would in a heart beat

Ummm yeah. CJ for Reddish is a steal for us. Bogey too?? Great deal.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

Reddish has a career shooting % that is under 39%.

He’s about to breakout. Just needs minutes and a regular role and he will become a star. Like All Star good.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

Bogdonavic isn't anything to get excited about (he's almost 30), Reddish is a decent role player who is a career 38% shooter (that's not his 3 point fg% either). And Okongwu has played 51 games total, and he's clearly a long term project.
And the 22nd pick is probably a late lotto. This isn't even a lateral trade for Portland.

I'm confused...the idea is to get better, right?

Reddish is trending upward. Shooting 38% from 3 this year. He needs to start. He’s a star.

 

[blazerkor]

so 5 players + 2 picks for Simmons and Turner.

That decimates the team for Simmons basically. No thanks.

I think you get Dame, Simmons and Turner on the roster and build from there. Those three make a lot of sense together. We would have to trade Nurk. We would also want to try and trade RoCo and Green. That being said: Dame, Green, Simmons, RoCo and Turner are a formidable starting lineup Ant, whatever we get for Nurk, Tony, Ben and Cody would have to be the guys we got off the bench for this season. We would be much better than we are right now and in a much better position for the future.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

Also Ok isn’t a project. The guy is averaging 9 ppg. He’s a solid bench role player. As was mentioned, Reddish scored 34 tonight. He’s their best player and if we could steal him before he totally breaks out, it would be huge.

 

[PCmor7]

I like the deal for all 3 teams. You forgot we get Danny Green too.

Stop reminding us. We're TRYING to forget him.

 

[blazerkor]

These two trades would be amazing.
First:
https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/12...land-trail-blazers-trade-lands-cj-mccollum/2/
Then you use the pick from that trade in this trade Second:
https://pistonpowered.com/2021/12/21/jerami-grant-trade-rumor-portland/2/

So we trade CJ, RoCo, Ant and our second rounder in the upcoming draft and end up with Jerami Grant, Caris LeVert and Myles Turner.

Dame, Norm, LeVert, Grant, Turner, Nurk (who should be traded subsequently), Larry, DSJ, Tony, Cody.

 

[PCmor7]

These two trades would be amazing.
First:
https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/12...land-trail-blazers-trade-lands-cj-mccollum/2/
Then you use the pick from that trade in this trade Second:
https://pistonpowered.com/2021/12/21/jerami-grant-trade-rumor-portland/2/

So we trade CJ, RoCo, Ant and our second rounder in the upcoming draft and end up with Jerami Grant, Caris LeVert and Myles Turner.

Dame, Norm, LeVert, Grant, Turner, Nurk (who should be traded subsequently), Larry, DSJ, Tony, Cody.

... McLemore

 

[TBpup]

There is more and more noise involving CJ and Indiana. I checked with a 'buddy' and he said it comes from Cronin's closes GM friend is Buchanon in Indy.

 

[Freshtown]

There is more and more noise involving CJ and Indiana. I checked with a 'buddy' and he said it comes from Cronin's closes GM friend is Buchanon in Indy.

i don’t know why, but I get the sense that we will end up with either Sabonis or turner by the deadline. Just a feeling.

 

[TBpup]

i don’t know why, but I get the sense that we will end up with either Sabonis or turner by the deadline. Just a feeling.

He believes they will keep Sabonis and move Turner, unless there is a HUGE deal they can't turn down.

Nurk is drawing some interest from around the league as is CJ, RoCo, Nance and Norm along with Simmons and Little.

It depends on what the Blazers can get back for that interest.