Trade Ideas Thread

[hoopsjock]

I punish nobody; only Sly (and Meyers Leonard) wield the hammer.

I didn't know @swish3 had mod powers? Uh oh.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

It looks like (some/most) Magic fans are completely done with Gordon. He's been pretty bad this year, especially shooting which has never improved. What do you think Gordon does well that would compliment Dame and Nurk?

it's actually interesting to compare Gordon's and Aminu's per-100 and advanced stats. It appears that Aminu actually impacts a game more effectively than Gordon does. I'm sure some might attribute that to teammates and coaching, but it seems more likely that Gordon is simply an inefficient player.

 

[Scalma]

it's actually interesting to compare Gordon's and Aminu's per-100 and advanced stats. It appears that Aminu actually impacts a game more effectively than Gordon does. I'm sure some might attribute that to teammates and coaching, but it seems more likely that Gordon is simply an inefficient player.

Sounds familiar.

 

[illmatic99]

It looks like (some/most) Magic fans are completely done with Gordon. He's been pretty bad this year, especially shooting which has never improved. What do you think Gordon does well that would compliment Dame and Nurk?

He's a terrific rim runner and a decent shooter for his position. His cutting would work well with our attack from the perimeter and with Nurk in the post. He's a better passer than CJ and has a higher AST% on lower usage. He's also shooing better from 3 (this year) than CJ on nearly the same attempts. And I also think he has untapped defensive potential. His inefficiency stems from his low FT% but we can get around that with everything else that he brings. He hasn't had a good guard to pass him the ball on the run or on the lob-- I think Dame could help him get more than 3FTs per game and drastically improve his efficiency. He needs us just as much as we need him.

I want physically imposing athletes. He fits that bill perfectly.

 

[hoopsjock]

it's actually interesting to compare Gordon's and Aminu's per-100 and advanced stats. It appears that Aminu actually impacts a game more effectively than Gordon does. I'm sure some might attribute that to teammates and coaching, but it seems more likely that Gordon is simply an inefficient player.

Yeah, I was looking at basketball reference's comparison scores for Gordon. It is guys like Linas Kleiza and Gary Trent. For CJ the first two are John Starks and Danny Ainge, both decent players. I know that doesn't really matter but it might be time to start thinking that Gordon just isn't that good. His athleticism is really intriguing but he hasn't found a way to make that translate into being a great player yet.

I'm really not trying to start shit with this but one could argue that Enes Kanter is a better player than Aaron Gordon.

 

[James lamphear]

This thread is for ideas. I'm compiling a list of what I think other team's best offers are and then we can see what teams we like best for dealing him and what teams we can eliminate.

New York is worth mentioning because CJ would be good on that team (another thing I clearly stated) and now there is a discussion about if they struck out in free agency if they have anything worth revisiting.

I'm not going to skip teams because the bad ones could possibly show that it's not worth dealing CJ. Can you comprehend that?

Due CJ spend a lot of his time in NY in the off season and I believe when his contract is up that might be the next place he would like to land.

 

[illmatic99]

The best guards Gordon has played with are Elfrid Payton and an out of shape Oladipo. Think we have a bit of Nurk in Denver similarities, granted Gordon already got his $.

Which has the higher likelihood of being a synergistic partnership?
Dame and CJ
or
Dame and Gordon

 

[hoopsjock]

The best guards Gordon has played with are Elfrid Payton and an out of shape Oladipo. Think we have a bit of Nurk in Denver similarities, granted Gordon already got his $.

Which has the higher likelihood of being a synergistic partnership?
Dame and CJ
or
Dame and Gordon

Dame doesn't push the tempo that much, nor does he throw many lob passes. Is that because he doesn't do those things well or because of the type of team he has around him? It's much like the idea that Gordon only struggles because he doesn't have the right teammates either. I do agree that Gordon could potentially be an improvement for our defense he's just too inefficient for me to think he'd have a huge jump with this team. Even though Dame and CJ aren't synergestic on the court and there is potential for Gordon to be more synergestic I think I'd rather roll with CJ.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Minnesota looks like an 8 seed, AT BEST. See what it would take to get Covington or Saric.

Atlanta seems like a team that would be open to a salary dump in exchange for a pick. Guys like Dedmon and Lin could also help in the playoff run. Maybe even ask about Taurean Prince, who’s a FA after next season. They may not want to pay him and his numbers are similar to Oubre, so it’s not a crazy ask.

I have seen rumors that they are willing to trade Covington. He is on a very similar deal to Leonard or Hark - but 2 years longer. Would the TWolves trade him just to dump those 2 extra years?

The fact that neither Hark nor Covington are 100% physically complicates matters.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Just a thought, but I suspect part of the reason this thread is getting testy is that it is forcing everybody to face the fact that the trade market for CJ just isn't that robust.

 

[hoopsjock]

Just a thought, but I suspect part of the reason this thread is getting testy is that it is forcing everybody to face the fact that the trade market for CJ just isn't that robust.

Well we haven't even gotten through half of the teams yet, but yeah that is probably part of it.

 

[Scalma]

Trading CJ for Gordon just seems like a sideways move. Yes Gordon does things CJ can’t, but at the same time he’s nowhere near the scorer. He is an overpaid role player who teams don’t have to gameplan around. He also isn’t good enough to justify the extra $20M or whatever Portland would take on financially. If we’re going to take on that kind of money, it better be someone that really upgrades the team, and not someone that is going to be relying on others to succeed.

 

[JDC]

Is Gordon a better fit than Aminu? He'll certainly be cheaper. Feels like the things that make Gordon valuable (finishing, playmaking from the 4) seem to conflict a little with Nurk.

So yeah, I'd rather just resign Chief to another affordable 3-year deal and keep/find another deal for CJ.

 

[CupWizier]

Just a thought, but I suspect part of the reason this thread is getting testy is that it is forcing everybody to face the fact that the trade market for CJ just isn't that robust.

and you're basing that on what posters in this forum say? From all indication those in the league think a lot more of McCollum than some of the posters in here.

 

[oldmangrouch]

and you're basing that on what posters in this forum say? From all indication those in the league think a lot more of McCollum than some of the posters in here.

OK, what team do you believe would make a good offer for CJ?

 

[CupWizier]

OK, what team do you believe would make a good offer for CJ?

How would I know what team wants to make an offer for McCollum and what they are offering. I'm not a GM. Just like you don't know that he doesn't have much value. I simply asked you what you are basing your assumption on that his trade value isn't very robust. I watch a lot of basketball and listen to many of the segments on NBA TV and other NBA related shows and they speak very highly of McCollum, especially the ex players.

 

[Scalma]

and you're basing that on what posters in this forum say? From all indication those in the league think a lot more of McCollum than some of the posters in here.

Yeah I’m sure teams are just lining up for their opportunity to pay glorified Lou Williams $25 million.

 

[CupWizier]

Yeah I’m sure teams are just lining up for their opportunity to pay glorified Lou Williams $25 million.

I'm sure you have no idea.

 

[Scalma]

I'm sure you have no idea.

Neither do you.

 

[CupWizier]

Neither do you.

and where did I say I knew what teams wanted McCollum or what his trade value is? I merely said that those in and around the NBA value McCollum more than some in this forum and then said I based that off of several comments I have heard from several different NBA shows including ex players.

 

[Hoopguru]

OK, what team do you believe would make a good offer for CJ?

Philly...Simmons cant shoot 3's and he bunches/clogs up the paint, and more so during playoffs. CJ would be Crazy on that team, with Butler at the 3.
If they want to compete in the East they need more 3/and overall scoring.
Would Simmons fit here?

 

[Scalma]

and where did I say I knew what teams wanted McCollum or what his trade value is? I merely said that those in and around the NBA value McCollum more than some in this forum and then said I based that off of several comments I have heard from several different NBA shows including ex players.

I don’t think anyone is saying CJ is a bad player. But those comments by current or ex players don’t take his contract into account. He has roughly $57M left on his contract after this season. That’s...not attractive, not when you could sign someone like Jeremy Lamb for a lot less, save assets, and get the same production.

 

[Hoopguru]

Ok, Im jumping in with a trade out of my rear end, that does work and could be possible.

Philly get: CJ, AFA, & WBIV
Blazers get: Chandler, Fultz & Simmons

Even though the sSxers are giving up two high lottery picks, this trade better balances their roster to compete in the playoffs.
Chandler & Zack at 4, Simmons 2/3 & we wait for Fultz.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Ok, Im jumping in with a trade out of my rear end, that does work and could be possible.

Philly get: CJ, AFA, & WBIV
Blazers get: Chandler, Fultz & Simmons

Even though the sSxers are giving up two high lottery picks, this trade better balances their roster to compete in the playoffs.
Chandler & Zack at 4, Simmons 2/3 & we wait for Fultz.

An expiring contract, a potential top 10 player, and a potentially dead weight contract for an expiring contract and a merely good player. Sign me up!

 

[wizenheimer]

and where did I say I knew what teams wanted McCollum or what his trade value is? I merely said that those in and around the NBA value McCollum more than some in this forum and then said I based that off of several comments I have heard from several different NBA shows including ex players.

CJ was getting plenty of positive reviews when he was MIP in 2015-16, but the NBA has wised up a lot about his game, just like a majority of Blazer fans have.

besides that, who gives a shit what Reggie Miller or Steven A Smith say?

normal people are just as capable of watching players on TV and seeing strengths and weaknesses. Being an ex-player didn't make Maurice Cheeks a great coach and it didn't take an ex-player to see it was time he was fired. Being an all-nba player didn't make Isiah Thomas an all-star GM

it doesn't take a ten year career in the NBA to know that CJ is horrible at defense, or that being a short-armed 6'3 SG has disadvantages. Or that Dame and CJ are far too redundant. Or that a player in the top-20 in salary and contract while not being in the top-100 in PER or TS% or eFG% or assist rate or winshares/48 or box plus/minus or real plus/minus is overpaid

Ok, Im jumping in with a trade out of my rear end

in the future, can you please not combine 'jumping in' and your rear end....?

 

[Wizard Mentor]

The premise was waiting until after they strike out in free agency, thus, well after they've used said high draft pick. What are the chances that they'll give up the hype of their top-5 pick in a trade for CJ?

If KP wants a vet instead of enduring a rookie, they might. Regardless, the question arose "what do the Knicks have that we'd want?" Obviously, a high lotto pick fits the bill, whether that's practical or not is another question.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Joe Harris!

This dude is made fir Stotts' system.

 

[hoopsjock]

If KP wants a vet instead of enduring a rookie, they might. Regardless, the question arose "what do the Knicks have that we'd want?" Obviously, a high lotto pick fits the bill, whether that's practical or not is another question.

I think the timing of trading their pick is what's off for me. Right now they are maximizing cap space to make a free agent run for one of the big dawgs. History shows that will be unsuccessful but if a guy like KD wants to fix his image I can't think of a better way than leading NY back to greatness.

It could be a situation like when LeBron went back to Cleveland and basically demanded that the Cavs traded their new draft pick Andrew Wiggins for Love. They could also not get a top-3 pick and go a whole different route a la Boston in 2007 when they fell to the 5th pick and traded it for Ray Allen.

I don't see them trading the pick beforehand though unless it is top-5 protected or whatever but in that case it becomes less valuable. If they don't get Kyrie or Butler or KD do they stay the course and keep building through the draft or do they panic and impatiently try to get better through trades for established players?

I don't see them making a big move this regular season unless it rids them of the future years of Lee and Hardaway without giving up other assets.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I think the timing of trading their pick is what's off for me. Right now they are maximizing cap space to make a free agent run for one of the big dawgs. History shows that will be unsuccessful but if a guy like KD wants to fix his image I can't think of a better way than leading NY back to greatness.

It could be a situation like when LeBron went back to Cleveland and basically demanded that the Cavs traded their new draft pick Andrew Wiggins for Love. They could also not get a top-3 pick and go a whole different route a la Boston in 2007 when they fell to the 5th pick and traded it for Ray Allen.

I don't see them trading the pick beforehand though unless it is top-5 protected or whatever but in that case it becomes less valuable. If they don't get Kyrie or Butler or KD do they stay the course and keep building through the draft or do they panic and impatiently try to get better through trades for established players?

I don't see them making a big move this regular season unless it rids them of the future years of Lee and Hardaway without giving up other assets.

I don't see it really, either, but THERE IS A CHANCE!

Courtney Lee (33) and Lance Thomas (30) make 20+ mil combined next year, while CJ will make $27 mil. If you include the effect of the cap hold for the lotto pick, a
CJ for Lee, Thomas, #5 would nearly be salary neutral for them, and give them a nice core of KP, Hardaway, CJ, + Max FA, along with Frank N. and Kevin Knox. I'd really
like the sound of that if I were a Knicks Fan.

 

[hoopsjock]

I don't see it really, either, but THERE IS A CHANCE!

Courtney Lee (33) and Lance Thomas (30) make 20+ mil combined next year, while CJ will make $27 mil. If you include the effect of the cap hold for the lotto pick, a
CJ for Lee, Thomas, #5 would nearly be salary neutral for them, and give them a nice core of KP, Hardaway, CJ, + Max FA, along with Frank N. and Kevin Knox. I'd really
like the sound of that if I were a Knicks Fan.

Lance Thomas has a non-guaranteed contract next season so if they waive him they only owe him $1 million, which will for sure be what happens. I like your thinking but it just doesn't quite work out when you take him out of the equation. I guess if they wanted to get rid of Hardaway then that would be the only way to still do it but would they still include good assets with him involved? Probably not.

On a side note this is a strong case for why you don't stretch players with multiple years on their contracts like the Knicks did with Joakim Noah. He's the "missing money" to make a deal like this work.