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Brogdon is average on defense, definitely not a lock down defender but not a complete turnstile either.

Seth's Assist% is 6.9% which is worse than CJ's by alot (his is around 12% if I remember correctly). He's been a black hole.
Curry's has been up around 15-16% though. CJ has the ball constantly and Seth is usually off the ball. Seth isn't a ball-stopper. Hes a spot up shooter.
 
Curry's has been up around 15-16% though. CJ has the ball constantly and Seth is usually off the ball. Seth isn't a ball-stopper. Hes a spot up shooter.
I'm not trying to hate on Seth but the next time he passes out of a pick and roll will be the first time this season. That's obviously a slight exaggeration but not by much.
 
Brogdon is average on defense, definitely not a lock down defender but not a complete turnstile either.

Seth's Assist% is 6.9% which is worse than CJ's by alot (his is around 12% if I remember correctly). He's been a black hole.
Well Seth doesnt play with Dame, or Nurk much so getting assists passing to ML, Or ET is much harder to do. I guess I dint really think of seth as a black hole but Ill have to look for a few games.
 
Well Seth doesnt play with Dame, or Nurk much so getting assists passing to ML, Or ET is much harder to do. I guess I dint really think of seth as a black hole but Ill have to look for a few games.
I started watching for it about 20 games ago. It's shocking how little he passes.
 
I started watching for it about 20 games ago. It's shocking how little he passes.
Honestly when the bench comes in I pretty much get straight to being annoyed that theres 5 bench players out there together. then I desperately start hoping that its not one of the nights where as a group they decide just suck... Ill watch for it more.
 
Honestly when the bench comes in I pretty much get straight to being annoyed that theres 5 bench players out there together. then I desperately start hoping that its not one of the nights where as a group they decide just suck... Ill watch for it more.
I'm with you on that. Part of me wants CJ back in with the 2nd unit and part of me wants them to just run a completely different offense. Curry should be running off at least 2-3 off ball picks per possession. You are right with who Curry is playing with but ET gets assists to those other guys, why can't Curry?
 
I'm not trying to hate on Seth but the next time he passes out of a pick and roll will be the first time this season. That's obviously a slight exaggeration but not by much.
Hes only ran like 5... lmao. Hes barely had the chance to run pick n roll, after having a year and half off and switching teams.

And hes shooting a pretty good clip out of the pick, so it's not a bad thing. He's not stopping the ball by doing that.
 
Blake Griffin is target 1A IMO. Hopefully the Pistons continue to lose and decide to go full rebuild.

DET Gets: Evan Turner, Maurice Harkless, Zach Collins, 2019 & 2021 POR 1sts
POR Gets: Blake Griffin, Reggie Bullock

Lillard (36) / Curry (12)
McCollum (36) / Curry (12)
Aminu (15) / Layman (15) / Bullock (18)
Griffin (30) / Aminu (18)
Nurkic (31) / Leonard (12) / Griffin (5)
 
Blake Griffin is target 1A IMO. Hopefully the Pistons continue to lose and decide to go full rebuild.

DET Gets: Evan Turner, Maurice Harkless, Zach Collins, 2019 & 2021 POR 1sts
POR Gets: Blake Griffin, Reggie Bullock

Lillard (36) / Curry (12)
McCollum (36) / Curry (12)
Aminu (15) / Layman (15) / Bullock (18)
Griffin (30) / Aminu (18)
Nurkic (31) / Leonard (12) / Griffin (5)
And then do this:

WAS Gets: Meyers Leonard, Al-Farouq Aminu, Caleb Swanigan, Nik Stauskas, 2023 POR 1st, RTS Another 1st?
POR Gets: Otto Porter Jr, Jeff Green (TPE)

How good would this team be? Contenders?

Lillard (36) / Curry (12)
McCollum (35) / Curry (13)
Porter (33) / Layman or Bullock (15)
Griffin (18) / Green (30)
Nurkic (31) / Griffin (17)
 
Blake Griffin is target 1A IMO. Hopefully the Pistons continue to lose and decide to go full rebuild.

DET Gets: Evan Turner, Maurice Harkless, Zach Collins, 2019 & 2021 POR 1sts
POR Gets: Blake Griffin, Reggie Bullock

Lillard (36) / Curry (12)
McCollum (36) / Curry (12)
Aminu (15) / Layman (15) / Bullock (18)
Griffin (30) / Aminu (18)
Nurkic (31) / Leonard (12) / Griffin (5)
If that package could land Blake (which I doubt, honestly), you loop NOP in and figure out a way to send Blake and CJ to them to get Davis.

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And then do this:

WAS Gets: Meyers Leonard, Al-Farouq Aminu, Caleb Swanigan, Nik Stauskas, 2023 POR 1st, RTS Another 1st?
POR Gets: Otto Porter Jr, Jeff Green (TPE)

How good would this team be? Contenders?

Lillard (36) / Curry (12)
McCollum (35) / Curry (13)
Porter (33) / Layman or Bullock (15)
Griffin (18) / Green (30)
Nurkic (31) / Griffin (17)
Factor in a Griffin/CJ for Davis flip, and WAS could basically straight salary dump Porter to us if they wanted, without Harkless or Leonard even being included in the deals.

How many picks we need to give up to make this happen????

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If that package could land Blake (which I doubt, honestly), you loop NOP in and figure out a way to send Blake and CJ to them to get Davis.

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Why would New Orleans want those two for Davis? They'll be rebuilding. They'll want picks and young talent.

That Griffin trade is possible if they reset. Two firsts and a high-level prospect. Pretty solid.
 
Blake Griffin is target 1A IMO. Hopefully the Pistons continue to lose and decide to go full rebuild.

DET Gets: Evan Turner, Maurice Harkless, Zach Collins, 2019 & 2021 POR 1sts
POR Gets: Blake Griffin, Reggie Bullock

Lillard (36) / Curry (12)
McCollum (36) / Curry (12)
Aminu (15) / Layman (15) / Bullock (18)
Griffin (30) / Aminu (18)
Nurkic (31) / Leonard (12) / Griffin (5)
Honestly, I don't think it would cost us two 1sts for Blake. His contract will deter most teams from trading for him which should lower his value quite a bit.
 
Why would New Orleans want those two for Davis? They'll be rebuilding. They'll want picks and young talent.
Perhaps. Or perhaps they'll want to see what a small-ball balanced scoring attack might accomplish. Or perhaps they'll want to extend the clock on obtaining usable assets.

I make no assumptions or declarations regarding another team's interests or motivations. But I think that they could do a whole lot worse than Blake/CJ for Davis/filler.
 
New Orleans says no.
Do they say no if we mortgage our whole future? If we do a Boston/Brooklyn deal? They get CJ and Zach our picks in 2o19, 21 and 23 and the rights to swap in 20, 22, and 24.

Someone told me that we can't get AD to play with Dame anyway because they're both max players or something, does anyone know if that's true?
 
Someone told me that we can't get AD to play with Dame anyway because they're both max players or something, does anyone know if that's true?

Incorrect. Because we signed dame to his extension, we can still trade for AD. The rule is you can not trade for 2 players with their distinction, which is why Boston can not trade for him , they already traded for kyrie
 
Incorrect. Because we signed dame to his extension, we can still trade for AD. The rule is you can not trade for 2 players with their distinction, which is why Boston can not trade for him , they already traded for kyrie

I have a feeling Kyrie might be gone from Boston after this year and possibly as early as the trade deadline but more likely in the off season. Boston has lots of guards and wings especially ones that can handle the ball and they have Rozier that they would like to probably get more playing time and has been the starter with Irving out. If it's the difference between Davis or Irving, I know which one I would choose and Boston has plenty of quality filler with young players and picks.

Also for the record, Lillard's contract is not a max contract as when he signed his extension he agreed to take less than the 30% of the cap he could have.
 
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I'm with you on that. Part of me wants CJ back in with the 2nd unit and part of me wants them to just run a completely different offense. Curry should be running off at least 2-3 off ball picks per possession. You are right with who Curry is playing with but ET gets assists to those other guys, why can't Curry?
Well ET doesnt get assists to himself heh. :). I get what you’re saying though.
ET’s also the guy with the ball a majority of the time.
 
I've been looking at their stats and they're kind of interesting comparisons. VORP is really, in CJ's pocket - Don't beat me up too much for pointing that out just it seemed to be the most lopsided.
Then it's the eye test. I think CJ is the better player. However, I think you could make an argument that Brodgen may fit better?

are you talking about career VORP?

VORP is a cumulative stat similar to winshares (which is why winshares/48 is a better comparative stat). That is to say, VORP will naturally increase the more minutes and more possessions a player has

CJ has played well over 11,000 minutes in 381 games; Brogdon has less than 4500 minutes in 159 games. Of course CJ will do better in a cumulative stat. That's why CJ crushes Brogdon in total winshares, 24.8 vs 10.6...but Brogdon has a better winshare/48 career mark, .113 vs .105
 
are you talking about career VORP?

VORP is a cumulative stat similar to winshares (which is why winshares/48 is a better comparative stat). That is to say, VORP will naturally increase the more minutes and more possessions a player has

CJ has played well over 11,000 minutes in 381 games; Brogdon has less than 4500 minutes in 159 games. Of course CJ will do better in a cumulative stat. That's why CJ crushes Brogdon in total winshares, 24.8 vs 10.6...but Brogdon has a better winshare/48 career mark, .113 vs .105
Yup I know
 
Incorrect. Because we signed dame to his extension, we can still trade for AD. The rule is you can not trade for 2 players with their distinction, which is why Boston can not trade for him , they already traded for kyrie
With a designated player (5-year max). Nornal max contracts have no limitations.
 
are you talking about career VORP?

VORP is a cumulative stat similar to winshares (which is why winshares/48 is a better comparative stat). That is to say, VORP will naturally increase the more minutes and more possessions a player has

CJ has played well over 11,000 minutes in 381 games; Brogdon has less than 4500 minutes in 159 games. Of course CJ will do better in a cumulative stat. That's why CJ crushes Brogdon in total winshares, 24.8 vs 10.6...but Brogdon has a better winshare/48 career mark, .113 vs .105
Just realized I recognized your name from a different forum. I thought you were a long-time poster that took a hiatus.

Random, but you and Hoops have been great free agent additions.
 
For the CJ exercise the next team up is the NY Knicks. I'm really struggling with this one. On one hand I think NY would be one of the absolute best fits for CJ to go and explode into a near All-Star type player (a la Oladipo last year). On the other hand I doubt they'd even want him considering they think they're going to get Kevin Durant or Kyrie Irving or Jimmy Butler this summer and taking on CJ makes that difficult. I don't really like any of the packages coming back either.

CJ and Swanigan for Kanter, Ntilikina, 2019 2nd (via Houston), 2020 2nd (via Charlotte), 2021 2nd (via Charlotte). This might be something to consider if we traded for Griffin because we'd need some big depth (assuming Leonard and Collins were part of the trade) but overall I'd rather just keep CJ if this is the best we could get for him.
 
For the CJ exercise the next team up is the NY Knicks. I'm really struggling with this one. On one hand I think NY would be one of the absolute best fits for CJ to go and explode into a near All-Star type player (a la Oladipo last year). On the other hand I doubt they'd even want him considering they think they're going to get Kevin Durant or Kyrie Irving or Jimmy Butler this summer and taking on CJ makes that difficult. I don't really like any of the packages coming back either.

CJ and Swanigan for Kanter, Ntilikina, 2019 2nd (via Houston), 2020 2nd (via Charlotte), 2021 2nd (via Charlotte). This might be something to consider if we traded for Griffin because we'd need some big depth (assuming Leonard and Collins were part of the trade) but overall I'd rather just keep CJ if this is the best we could get for him.
I think the Blazers best option might be to wait for the Knicks to whiff in free agency and then they could dangle CJ out there. Might get a desperate knicks team willing to give up some players just because they think CJ could be a star for them.
 
I think the Blazers best option might be to wait for the Knicks to whiff in free agency and then they could dangle CJ out there. Might get a desperate knicks team willing to give up some players just because they think CJ could be a star for them.
But whom could they offer that would theoretically be worth it? They're obviously not giving up Porzingis. We should have no interest in Hardaway, Kanter, or Mudiay. Their rookies (Knox and Robinson) are intriguing, I guess, but is that really enough return for CJ?
 
But whom could they offer that would theoretically be worth it? They're obviously not giving up Porzingis. We should have no interest in Hardaway, Kanter, or Mudiay. Their rookies (Knox and Robinson) are intriguing, I guess, but is that really enough return for CJ?
I don't know. I'm sort of conflicted about what CJ's "worth" is in a trade. I could see some GM's not being interested in him at all. Some I think would look at him and think they could turn him into a star. Knox and Hardaway are the most intriguing to me.
 
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