Trade Ideas Thread (7 Viewers)

[Scalma]

I haven't watched Gordon enough to have a well-informed opinion. Whenever I have seen him play I've been very lukewarm on his talent. That said, the thing that stands out most to me in your comparison is that Marion was a SF masquerading as a PF, and could dribble the ball quite well - from my (admittedly limited) observation Gordon doesn't have the handles or abilities of a SF. Which is fine since he's a PF. But I just don't see untapped potential in him where he could have a Marion-like impact on a team.

When I compare them I’m more talking about their roles on a team. Super role players. Igoudala on the Warriors is another example. They’re not lead dogs but they can still make a big impact on a team.

 

[illmatic99]

Can we do a three way with Dallas and give em DSJ in exchange for salary relief?

Here's a basic framework.



Also, how the fuck does Simons still have a negative PER?

 

[blue9]

When I compare them I’m more talking about their roles on a team. Super role players. Igoudala on the Warriors is another example. They’re not lead dogs but they can still make a big impact on a team.

Both Shawn and Iggy were good defenders. Both able to handle the ball. Two-way players who can put the ball on the floor - I don't see either of those things from Gordon. I get that you're going for "impact" rather than "style" or "production" - I just don't think a player who doesn't play both sides of the ball well can have that big of an impact. I think he'd be a moderate improvement over Aminu (which I'm totally fine with! But at what cost?).

 

[Scalma]

Both Shawn and Iggy were good defenders. Both able to handle the ball. Two-way players who can put the ball on the floor - I don't see either of those things from Gordon. I get that you're going for "impact" rather than "style" or "production" - I just don't think a player who doesn't play both sides of the ball well can have that big of an impact. I think he'd be a moderate improvement over Aminu (which I'm totally fine with! But at what cost?).

Gordon is a good passer and defender as well.

 

[Scalma]

Can we do a three way with Dallas and give em DSJ in exchange for salary relief?

Here's a basic framework.

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Also, how the fuck does Simons still have a negative PER?

Not sure Dallas is getting enough, but there’s a baseline.

Edit: this is getting too wild no way Olshey gets this deep into his brain. We’ll get Prince for our pick and good night.

 

[illmatic99]

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Not sure Dallas is getting enough, but there’s a baseline.

Ya that's terrible for Dallas. What site are you using for this?

Here's another if Magic are hellbent on making the playoffs this year:


Send our pick MEM's way as well.

 

[illmatic99]

BTW, MEM is an interesting study. Their pick will go to BOS if it falls out of the top 8. They're currently tied for the 7th spot and will most likely tank like hell to make sure that pick does not convey (they're 1-9 in their last 10).

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Can we do a three way with Dallas and give em DSJ in exchange for salary relief?

Here's a basic framework.

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Also, how the fuck does Simons still have a negative PER?

I was just discussing this same concept on Twitter with Pinwheel Empire. Great minds, bro.

 

[Scalma]

Why the fuck did we just recall Biggie? Makes no sense...unless.....

Ahh fuck it I’m not getting hooked in again.

 

[RR7]

BTW, MEM is an interesting study. Their pick will go to BOS if it falls out of the top 8. They're currently tied for the 7th spot and will most likely tank like hell to make sure that pick does not convey (they're 1-9 in their last 10).

Everything I've read is that they want to convey that pick this year, to be done with it being in limbo.

 

[illmatic99]

Why the fuck did we just recall Biggie? Makes no sense...unless.....

Ahh fuck it I’m not getting hooked in again.

He's not even getting minutes in the GLeague. Played only 7 last night for some reason.

 

[illmatic99]

Everything I've read is that they want to convey that pick this year, to be done with it being in limbo.

oof, just saw the protections. Top 7 this year, top 6 next year, and unprotected in 21.

All for Jeff Green.

I can understand that they want to convey this year, but they need some wins.

 

[Scalma]

He's not even getting minutes in the GLeague. Played only 7 last night for some reason.

Its odd because he started, played seven minutes, got subbed, and never saw the court again. That’s not normal.

 

[illmatic99]

Its odd because he started, played seven minutes, got subbed, and never saw the court again. That’s not normal.

The box said he DNP cuz of an "injury/illness" two games prior. Maybe he's not feeling well?

 

[Scalma]

The box said he DNP cuz of an "injury/illness" two games prior. Maybe he's not feeling well?

That’s a boring explanation so probably right. Don’t know why they’d recall him though.

 

[CupWizier]

That’s a boring explanation so probably right. Don’t know why they’d recall him though.

well if he is injured then likely to help him rehab.

 

[hoopsjock]

That’s a boring explanation so probably right. Don’t know why they’d recall him though.

Keep in mind we only have 4 bigs when he's down, including Aminu. We're a lot deeper at guard.

 

[Scalma]

Keep in mind we only have 4 bigs when he's down, including Aminu. We're a lot deeper at guard.

But they don’t really need him. They have three centers and enough options at the four. It would be much more beneficial for him, and the team, to play.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I think the 'noise' in those 2 man lineup stats is probably loud enough that not much should be read into them

one thing that can be read into them is that the Blazer coaches are way too stuck into rotation patterns. And they especially seem to be stuck into pairings. Last season, Davis/Zach seemed to be joined at the hip; this season, it's Meyers/Zach welded together in a milky white merger of a 'fast-twitch/slow-twitch-confusing-blob-of-doofie-ness'

The mid-way point of the season was recently passed. There should have been more experimentation with combinations of the Portlad roster, but Stotts seems locked into some baffling platoon system that has failed a lot more then it has succeeded. Even accounting for match-up issues, the Nukic/Zach pairing should have a lot more burn at this point then it does. Seems like the mindset is that it's more important for Portland to win games now than to perhaps be better prepared when the playoffs start.

another factor is that there might be less that 40 games left to Aminu's Portland tenure. Zach appears to be the heir-apparent st PF. Nurkic is definitely the COTF; the Blazers should be doing everything they can to make sure Zach actually fits as the PFOTF. Personally, I have major doubts that Zach can fit that role, but for sure, he should be getting more of a shot now than he is

Allow me to offer a cynical theory. Going into that draft, Stotts wanted an NBA ready player -preferably a stand-in-the-corner-and-shoot-3s guy. Instead, Olshey stuck him with a "project" big man. He can mostly ignore Zach and try to pad his resume with regular season wins, or he can invest time in developing Zach and watch Olshey and the next Blazer coach reap the rewards.

 

[blue9]

Gordon is a good passer and defender as well.

Okay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since it seems like you've watched him play more than I have. Maybe the handful of times I've seen him play he's been less than his usual.

 

[hoopsjock]

Okay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since it seems like you've watched him play more than I have. Maybe the handful of times I've seen him play he's been less than his usual.

He's a decent passer, might be good if he had better teammates. He's a decent defender, but mostly that is because he is athletic so people assume he's a good defender.

I'm with you. I don't think Gordon is a good basketball player yet. It could be the Magic or it could be that he is so physically gifted that he can get by without putting in hard work.

I wouldn't give up CJ or Collins to find out. Sure I'd be fine trading others though.

 

[Sarni]

Looking at how many Orlando players made a leap after leaving that team (Oladipo, Harris) I would probably jump at the chance to get Gordon as well.

 

[Sarni]

How come? You think Klay and or KD walks this summer?

I’m convinced this use Durant’s last season as a Warrior.

 

[hoopsjock]

Looking at how many Orlando players made a leap after leaving that team (Oladipo, Harris) I would probably jump at the chance to get Gordon as well.

Tobias Harris didn't really have a huge jump in any of his stats until this year though. He was traded from Orlando 3 years ago.

Victor Oladipo actually had a decrease in a lot of advanced stats on OKC (which can be explained). Last year he had a huge year but this year his advanced numbers are trending back towards his career numbers.

I just don't know how you can conclude that either player had a jump simply because they left Orlando.

 

[Pridan]

Maybe it's because I rate Gordon highly and see him as someone who will breakout in the right environment (keep in mind he's never played with a decent PG, let alone Dame), but I would do the proposed trade (CJ+Harkless/Leonard+1st for Gordon+Ross - maybe a 2nd comes back).

We'd look like this:

Dame
Ross
Layman
Gordon
Nurkic

Curry
Turner
Harkless/Aminu*
Aminu/Collins*
Collins/Leonard*

(Depending on who is traded/who stays)

 

[illmatic99]

Tobias Harris didn't really have a huge jump in any of his stats until this year though. He was traded from Orlando 3 years ago.

Victor Oladipo actually had a decrease in a lot of advanced stats on OKC (which can be explained). Last year he had a huge year but this year his advanced numbers are trending back towards his career numbers.

I just don't know how you can conclude that either player had a jump simply because they left Orlando.

I think the point is that they didn't reach their full potentials in Orlando, which is true. The fact that they had to go to a third team to finally break out doesn't make the premise invalid.

 

[hoopsjock]

I think the point is that they didn't reach their full potentials in Orlando, which is true. The fact that they had to go to a third team to finally break out doesn't make the premise invalid.

No it doesn't make it invalid. All I care about is how someone will be on the Blazers. If were not the team to make Gordon better then he's not the answer. As long as we have Stotts (and probably Dame too) we hardly get fast break points and other than designed back screens we rarely throw lob passes out of the pick and roll. So we literally suck at the two things that would help Gordon become better than he is now.

CJ had a breakout year too. Then his numbers slid back down. Oladipo is experiencing the same thing this year. It could be because of injuries and small sample size but it could also be because last year was an outlier like CJ's good year and that he's regressing back to his normal self. Harris is on a team with no star. It's the first time in his career he's been asked to kind of carry a team. What do those situations have in common? They both went to situations where they could be the man on their third team. Gordon wouldn't be the man here with Dame and Nurk already established.

I understand the premise of hoping he'd break out but if that is the only reason for giving up CJ and a 1st round pick for him then that is a pretty big risk.

I also have to ask, why do you think CJ or anyone would be good on Orlando if every player would be better somewhere else? Do you think Dame would be bad on the Magic? I'm guessing the answer is no. At some point you have to consider that some of these guys just don't have what it takes to be a great player.

 

[Scalma]

Otto Porter - F - Wizards
According to Zach Lowe of ESPN, the Wizards aren't interested in trading away Otto Porter for cap relief or young players.

There were some rumors floating around that the struggling Wizards might be willing to deal Otto Porter and the $55 million remaining on his current contract. However, here's the full quote from Lowe's latest column: "The Wizards have shown little appetite for dealing Otto Porter anywhere for a return heavy on future assets and cap flexibility, sources say."
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We can forget about him if true.

 

[Scalma]

DeAndre' Bembry, finding his footing
A year ago, Bembry didn't look like an NBA player. He could barely dribble. He had the worst turnover rate in the league.

The on-court struggles were understandable, and didn't matter compared to what Bembry must have been going through away from basketball. He was mourning the June 2016 shooting death of his brother, Adrian Potts.

Bembry's play this season has been one of the league's happiest stories. He is Atlanta's best defender, hounding opponents across all three perimeter positions. He has a more sophisticated, confident pick-and-roll game. He can change speeds, loft high-arching layups with either hand, and even manipulate help defenders with mean pass fakes:

Kevin Huerter, John Collins and Dewayne Dedmon -- is plus-25 in 74 minutes. Atlanta is 8-7 over its past 15 games, coinciding almost exactly with Lloyd Pierce trying that group.

Let's not go crazy. Bembry still turns the ball over too much. He struggles shooting outside the restricted area. But he looks competent -- like he belongs. That is a start.

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Prince is probably there for the taking.

 

[Scalma]

I still can’t come up with a better trade partner than Atlanta. A Dedmon/Prince package is pretty much best case scenario for Portland, not only for the playoff run, but for the summer as well. Bigger trades, involving CJ for example, aren’t gonna happen in the middle of a season, especially not this one.

Dedmon and Prince for Leonard, one or two of Baldwin/Swanigan/Trent, and a first rounder either this year or next.

A cost effective move that also upgrades Portland’s rotation, while Atlanta takes on Leonard in exchange for a pick, and adds one or two young, cheap players with no long term commitments.