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https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/1/17/18185948/cj-mccollum-aaron-gordon-nba-trade-who-says-no

Ringer suggests McCollum, Leonard, and a first for Gordon and Ross.

Pretty detailed article, relatively speaking, even if I don’t agree with the outline of the deal. Orlando would have to add something else imo. The trade as constructed is pretty much Leonard and a first for Ross, which makes sense, and McCollum for Gordon, which doesn’t.

Can’t see Olshey doing this during the season though. Someone like Prince, or just Ross, is more likely.
As I've mentioned before I don't like Gordon's game at all. I wouldn't give up a pick in that trade either. This seems more like a scenario where we just move our problems to a different position rather than address them.
 
Hopefully Olshey has the parameters of a deal in place with Atlanta and they are just waiting to see if something better comes along. I'm still worried we're waiting for Kevin Love to become trade eligible next week. If that's the case we better not overpay for him.
 
As I've mentioned before I don't like Gordon's game at all. I wouldn't give up a pick in that trade either. This seems more like a scenario where we just move our problems to a different position rather than address them.

I wonder if we could get Gordon without giving up CJ. Would they do Leonard, Aminu, and our pick? This trade would save Orlando over $40M. Gordon isn’t a foundational piece for them, and they could reset by getting the three years remaining on his contract off the books.

I’m looking at this through Olsheys POV. He keeps his core together and adds a younger player with the potential to reach another level in Portland playing with a real PG. Gordons numbers compare pretty evenly to Aminu, but I think he’d be an upgrade once he got to Portland. He’s also a much better passer, shit he’s better than CJ too, and would give us an added dimension we could really use in the starting lineup.
 
I’ll say this; I’d rather add 23 year old Gordon for $40m than 30 year old Blake Griffin for $60m+. Obviously Griffin is better, but he comes with his own risks and would cost more (asset wise) to get.
 
Hopefully Olshey has the parameters of a deal in place with Atlanta and they are just waiting to see if something better comes along. I'm still worried we're waiting for Kevin Love to become trade eligible next week. If that's the case we better not overpay for him.

There’s no way anyone trades for Love without seeing him play first. Not even Olshey.
 
There’s no way anyone trades for Love without seeing him play first. Not even Olshey.
You sure about that? I can see the press conference now:

"Look, we had a chance to add an NBA champion and 5-time All-Star. This is the needle mover I've been waiting to acquire."
 
Layman has been a revelation this year, and when he has played, Moe has been terrific on defense and serviceable on offense. With those two and CJ/Nik taking a few mins here and there, I think we are OK on the wing positions.

The glaring deficiency on our roster is an upgrade for Aminu. We need a guy who is just as versatile, but flat out better. I think his defense is really overstated.

I'd have been all over Love if he hadn't signed that extension. It's a worse contract than Blake's.
 
It's also annoying that Zach hasn't taken a leap. That PF position is his to grab but he doesn't seem to work well with Nurk .

Why are we not developing him more to be our PF of the future?
 
I think the way Jake is playing and his upcoming free agency puts even more of an emphasis on Olshey dumping a contract.

Ideally he'd find a team that could give the Blazers both some financial relief and a player that’d help them out. Atlanta lines up with Portland perfectly imo.

This is my favorite one

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*Plus our first either this year or 2020. Maybe they throw in one of their seconds this year.

This will make re-signing our own easier as well as open up the full MLE. It also opens up a roster spot for the buyout market.

Dame
CJ
Prince/Layman
Aminu
Nurkic

Curry
Turner
Prince/Layman
Collins/Harkless
Dedmon/Collins
Would you (and others) rather have Dedmon or Thon Maker? The Bucks really want Dedmon. There are ways to make this work before Jason Smith is able to be traded using our trade exception or we could wait until Feb 6th.

Bucks get Dedmon and Swanigan

Hawks get Meyers, Baldwin, future 1st via Blazers

Blazers get Jason Smith, Thon Maker, and Taurean Prince

Both Maker and Prince have one more year on their cheap rookie deals next year and then become RFA's in 2020. Smith is expiring. This deal saves us $3 million off our tax number too. It would be even better if we had another trade with Turner or Harkless.
 
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It's also annoying that Zach hasn't taken a leap. That PF position is his to grab but he doesn't seem to work well with Nurk .

Why are we not developing him more to be our PF of the future?
I don't know how you can possibly conclude that Collins doesn't play well with Nurk. They've barely been given a chance to play together.
 
I don't know how you can possibly conclude that Collins doesn't play well with Nurk. They've barely been given a chance to play together.
Have to dig into the lineup stats a bit, but they seem to get in each other's way. You think he's a viable PF mainstay for our future?
 
Have to dig into the lineup stats a bit, but they seem to get in each other's way. You think he's a viable PF mainstay for our future?
Going into the season I was convinced he would be better suited as our PF moving forward. They have done nothing to develop chemistry between Nurk and Collins. I don't think playing PF with Leonard as the C is helping Collins at all.
 
You sure about that? I can see the press conference now:

"Look, we had a chance to add an NBA champion and 5-time All-Star. This is the needle mover I've been waiting to acquire."

:smiley-hang: That might be the literal end for me. I would be inclined to never watch another game of basketball!
 
It's also annoying that Zach hasn't taken a leap. That PF position is his to grab but he doesn't seem to work well with Nurk .

Why are we not developing him more to be our PF of the future?

A total lack of interest from the coaching staff.
 
Going into the season I was convinced he would be better suited as our PF moving forward. They have done nothing to develop chemistry between Nurk and Collins. I don't think playing PF with Leonard as the C is helping Collins at all.
Net ratings

Aminu + Nurk -- 1142 mins, + 10.3
Collins + Nurk -- 48 mins, +4.4

Aminu + Collins-- 125 mins, +6.4
Collins + Meyers -- 460 mins, +1.8

Not nearly enough sample size with Collins and Nurk. Baffling why they don't try it more. Someone here used the word "crutch" to describe our overuse of Aminu. It's absolutely true.
 
Net ratings

Aminu + Nurk -- 1142 mins, + 10.3
Collins + Nurk -- 48 mins, +4.4

Aminu + Collins-- 125 mins, +6.4
Collins + Meyers -- 460 mins, +1.8

Not nearly enough sample size with Collins and Nurk. Baffling why they don't try it more. Someone here used the word "crutch" to describe our overuse of Aminu. It's absolutely true.
Yeah, the fact they've only played 48 minutes together is inexcusable. I could maybe see if Collins was being used exclusively as a center but he usually plays with Leonard so that can't be the reason. It's part of why I am not getting down on Collins yet.
 
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https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/1/17/18185948/cj-mccollum-aaron-gordon-nba-trade-who-says-no

Ringer suggests McCollum, Leonard, and a first for Gordon and Ross.

Pretty detailed article, relatively speaking, even if I don’t agree with the outline of the deal. Orlando would have to add something else imo. The trade as constructed is pretty much Leonard and a first for Ross, which makes sense, and McCollum for Gordon, which doesn’t.

Can’t see Olshey doing this during the season though. Someone like Prince, or just Ross, is more likely.
Did they literallly copy/paste what I wrote about why we should go after Gordon in this thread last week? Holy shit.

He's a terrific rim runner and a decent shooter for his position. His cutting would work well with our attack from the perimeter and with Nurk in the post. He's a better passer than CJ and has a higher AST% on lower usage. He's also shooing better from 3 (this year) than CJ on nearly the same attempts. And I also think he has untapped defensive potential. His inefficiency stems from his low FT% but we can get around that with everything else that he brings. He hasn't had a good guard to pass him the ball on the run or on the lob-- I think Dame could help him get more than 3FTs per game and drastically improve his efficiency. He needs us just as much as we need him.

I want physically imposing athletes. He fits that bill perfectly.
 
Net ratings

Aminu + Nurk -- 1142 mins, + 10.3
Collins + Nurk -- 48 mins, +4.4

Aminu + Collins-- 125 mins, +6.4
Collins + Meyers -- 460 mins, +1.8

Not nearly enough sample size with Collins and Nurk. Baffling why they don't try it more. Someone here used the word "crutch" to describe our overuse of Aminu. It's absolutely true.
Jeezus fucking kryst! 48 freaking minutes!?!
 
Net ratings

Aminu + Nurk -- 1142 mins, + 10.3
Collins + Nurk -- 48 mins, +4.4

Aminu + Collins-- 125 mins, +6.4
Collins + Meyers -- 460 mins, +1.8

Not nearly enough sample size with Collins and Nurk. Baffling why they don't try it more. Someone here used the word "crutch" to describe our overuse of Aminu. It's absolutely true.

I think the 'noise' in those 2 man lineup stats is probably loud enough that not much should be read into them

one thing that can be read into them is that the Blazer coaches are way too stuck into rotation patterns. And they especially seem to be stuck into pairings. Last season, Davis/Zach seemed to be joined at the hip; this season, it's Meyers/Zach welded together in a milky white merger of a 'fast-twitch/slow-twitch-confusing-blob-of-doofie-ness'

The mid-way point of the season was recently passed. There should have been more experimentation with combinations of the Portlad roster, but Stotts seems locked into some baffling platoon system that has failed a lot more then it has succeeded. Even accounting for match-up issues, the Nukic/Zach pairing should have a lot more burn at this point then it does. Seems like the mindset is that it's more important for Portland to win games now than to perhaps be better prepared when the playoffs start.

another factor is that there might be less that 40 games left to Aminu's Portland tenure. Zach appears to be the heir-apparent st PF. Nurkic is definitely the COTF; the Blazers should be doing everything they can to make sure Zach actually fits as the PFOTF. Personally, I have major doubts that Zach can fit that role, but for sure, he should be getting more of a shot now than he is
 
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/1/17/18185948/cj-mccollum-aaron-gordon-nba-trade-who-says-no

Ringer suggests McCollum, Leonard, and a first for Gordon and Ross.

Pretty detailed article, relatively speaking, even if I don’t agree with the outline of the deal. Orlando would have to add something else imo. The trade as constructed is pretty much Leonard and a first for Ross, which makes sense, and McCollum for Gordon, which doesn’t.

Can’t see Olshey doing this during the season though. Someone like Prince, or just Ross, is more likely.
I like this trade. The first is for getting rid of Leonard. As for McCollum, I am almost getting to the point where I think his contract, compared to who he is, is almost as bad as Turner's. Seems Gordon would be a better fit, even if he has faults. And he has the declining $ contract.

As I've mentioned before I don't like Gordon's game at all. I wouldn't give up a pick in that trade either. This seems more like a scenario where we just move our problems to a different position rather than address them.
Apparently some guys like him:
Aaron Gordon is an athletic marvel. Remember when he jumped over the Magic mascot while putting the ball underneath his legs in the 2016 dunk contest? I wouldn’t blame you for not watching the Magic, but Gordon makes similarly intoxicating athletic plays during games:
With Gordon’s speed, ballhandling skill, and vertical explosiveness, you’d think the Magic would want to play fast to maximize those abilities. That has not been the case. The Magic play at a snail’s pace under new head coach Steve Clifford, ranking 29th in possession time after turnovers, 28th after made shots, and 15th after rebounds, per Inpredictable. Clifford modernized his offense last season with the Hornets, but he’s back to his old ways in his first year in Orlando. Opportunities for Gordon to show off his bounce have been limited.

The league has noticed. In an informal survey I conducted among sources on players most deserving of a role change, Gordon was the most common answer. Two executives said he could be used as a transition starter like Pascal Siakam is for the Raptors—and it’s clear why as soon as you see him he sprint up the floor or handle the rock. Another said there’s still some modern Blake Griffin in his game that’s still untapped. To unlock these skills, though, the Magic need to start playing faster.
Gordon isn’t quite great enough of a scorer or playmaker to warrant being the man, but even the opportunities he’s getting in a smaller role have been marginalized. Gordon is playing a large chunk of his minutes at small forward with Jonathan Isaac at the 4, and Clifford structured the system to play through center Nikola Vucevic. Gordon’s all-around game allows him to shape-shift into different roles, but his skills are best suited for the small-ball 4, where he can attack mismatches as a playmaker by running pick-and-rolls or set screens and pop or roll. Gordon is a lob threat off the ball, and he’s turned into a solid spot-up shooter, hitting 37.8 percent of his catch-and-shoot 3s since the start of last season. Without a system that maximizes his strengths in the open floor or the half court, it’s possible that Gordon won’t find his true self until he’s on a team that plays fast.

With a four-year, $80 million contract that declines in salary each season, he should be an appealing trade target for teams willing to take a swing on a player who’s shown flashes but hasn’t put it all together. It might be in the Magic’s best interest to someday make a move if the return is strong, but Gordon could make them regret it.
 
I like this trade. The first is for getting rid of Leonard. As for McCollum, I am almost getting to the point where I think his contract, compared to who he is, is almost as bad as Turner's. Seems Gordon would be a better fit, even if he has faults. And he has the declining $ contract.

Apparently some guys like him:
Aaron Gordon is an athletic marvel. Remember when he jumped over the Magic mascot while putting the ball underneath his legs in the 2016 dunk contest? I wouldn’t blame you for not watching the Magic, but Gordon makes similarly intoxicating athletic plays during games:
With Gordon’s speed, ballhandling skill, and vertical explosiveness, you’d think the Magic would want to play fast to maximize those abilities. That has not been the case. The Magic play at a snail’s pace under new head coach Steve Clifford, ranking 29th in possession time after turnovers, 28th after made shots, and 15th after rebounds, per Inpredictable. Clifford modernized his offense last season with the Hornets, but he’s back to his old ways in his first year in Orlando. Opportunities for Gordon to show off his bounce have been limited.

The league has noticed. In an informal survey I conducted among sources on players most deserving of a role change, Gordon was the most common answer. Two executives said he could be used as a transition starter like Pascal Siakam is for the Raptors—and it’s clear why as soon as you see him he sprint up the floor or handle the rock. Another said there’s still some modern Blake Griffin in his game that’s still untapped. To unlock these skills, though, the Magic need to start playing faster.
Gordon isn’t quite great enough of a scorer or playmaker to warrant being the man, but even the opportunities he’s getting in a smaller role have been marginalized. Gordon is playing a large chunk of his minutes at small forward with Jonathan Isaac at the 4, and Clifford structured the system to play through center Nikola Vucevic. Gordon’s all-around game allows him to shape-shift into different roles, but his skills are best suited for the small-ball 4, where he can attack mismatches as a playmaker by running pick-and-rolls or set screens and pop or roll. Gordon is a lob threat off the ball, and he’s turned into a solid spot-up shooter, hitting 37.8 percent of his catch-and-shoot 3s since the start of last season. Without a system that maximizes his strengths in the open floor or the half court, it’s possible that Gordon won’t find his true self until he’s on a team that plays fast.

With a four-year, $80 million contract that declines in salary each season, he should be an appealing trade target for teams willing to take a swing on a player who’s shown flashes but hasn’t put it all together. It might be in the Magic’s best interest to someday make a move if the return is strong, but Gordon could make them regret it.
I've never been a fan of players that are that physically gifted but don't ever seem to translate that ability into being great on the court.

Now, it could just be that the Magic are a terrible organization. I just don't think we're currently the right team if he needs a fast paced style. His shooting suggests he's severely overrated though. Who cares if he can dunk over a mascot?
 
I've never been a fan of players that are that physically gifted but don't ever seem to translate that ability into being great on the court.

Now, it could just be that the Magic are a terrible organization. I just don't think we're currently the right team if he needs a fast paced style. His shooting suggests he's severely overrated though. Who cares if he can dunk over a mascot?
I'd gladly take him as an improvement over Aminu. But, I wouldn't pay much to get him. He's certainly overpaid, so that reduces his value. I'd do Turner/Aminu and a protected pick.
 
I've never been a fan of players that are that physically gifted but don't ever seem to translate that ability into being great on the court.

Now, it could just be that the Magic are a terrible organization. I just don't think we're currently the right team if he needs a fast paced style. His shooting suggests he's severely overrated though. Who cares if he can dunk over a mascot?

Theoretically Gordon does more than just dunk a basketball. He can defend multiple positions, and I’ve always compared him to a Shawn Marion type. Not as good, but brings a similar skill set.

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These are their fifth year numbers. Both played on shitty teams, but I think Gordon would fit in really well in Portland. Orlando’s current front office didn’t draft him, have an in house replacement, and if they were looking to dump Gordon, we should consider it. They’d get Aminus bird rights, and he fits the type of lengthy player their front office likes. He’s also from Georgia and is probably open to staying closer to home. So something like Aminu, Leonard, Trent, and our pick for Gordon
 
Theoretically Gordon does more than just dunk a basketball. He can defend multiple positions, and I’ve always compared him to a Shawn Marion type. Not as good, but brings a similar skill set.

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These are their fifth year numbers. Both played on shitty teams, but I think Gordon would fit in really well in Portland. Orlando’s current front office didn’t draft him, have an in house replacement, and if they were looking to dump Gordon, we should consider it. They’d get Aminus bird rights, and he fits the type of lengthy player their front office likes. He’s also from Georgia and is probably open to staying closer to home. So something like Aminu, Leonard, Trent, and our pick for Gordon
That's a good comparison.

But I don't think there's any way Orlando lets go of Gordon for anything less than CJ. They need a lead guard.
 
That's a good comparison.

But I don't think there's any way Orlando lets go of Gordon for anything less than CJ. They need a lead guard.

Ok but I don’t think there’s any way we give up CJ for him.

FWIW, I believe the Magic were interested in Simons during the draft process. He’s also from Florida. Would you do Aminu, Leonard, and Simons for Gordon? I probably would, and I like Simons.
 
Ok but I don’t think there’s any way we give up CJ for him.

FWIW, I believe the Magic were interested in Simons during the draft process. He’s also from Florida. Would you do Aminu, Leonard, and Simons for Gordon? I probably would, and I like Simons.
Without hesitation. Throw them our pick too. I see Gordon as a budding star on the right team. It's criminal how ORL keeps drafting guys at his position while ignoring all their guard holes.
 
Ok but I don’t think there’s any way we give up CJ for him.

FWIW, I believe the Magic were interested in Simons during the draft process. He’s also from Florida. Would you do Aminu, Leonard, and Simons for Gordon? I probably would, and I like Simons.

I would but I was one of the few (if not only) that liked him out of college. He fits in Terry's offense. A front line of Nurk , Gordon, and Jake would be interesting. Two good leapers and 3 point shooters surrounding Nurk while spreading the floor for CJ and Dame
 
Theoretically Gordon does more than just dunk a basketball. He can defend multiple positions, and I’ve always compared him to a Shawn Marion type. Not as good, but brings a similar skill set.

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These are their fifth year numbers. Both played on shitty teams, but I think Gordon would fit in really well in Portland. Orlando’s current front office didn’t draft him, have an in house replacement, and if they were looking to dump Gordon, we should consider it. They’d get Aminus bird rights, and he fits the type of lengthy player their front office likes. He’s also from Georgia and is probably open to staying closer to home. So something like Aminu, Leonard, Trent, and our pick for Gordon
I haven't watched Gordon enough to have a well-informed opinion. Whenever I have seen him play I've been very lukewarm on his talent. That said, the thing that stands out most to me in your comparison is that Marion was a SF masquerading as a PF, and could dribble the ball quite well - from my (admittedly limited) observation Gordon doesn't have the handles or abilities of a SF. Which is fine since he's a PF. But I just don't see untapped potential in him where he could have a Marion-like impact on a team.
 
Without hesitation. Throw them our pick too. I see Gordon as a budding star on the right team. It's criminal how ORL keeps drafting guys at his position while ignoring all their guard holes.

So they’d get a first for taking on Leonard. Then it’d be Simons, Aminu, and like $35M (don’t want to do the math on Simons contract) savings for Gordon. That seems close to me.
 
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