Trade Ideas Thread

[dviss1]

Who the fuck are these unathletic numb nuts? Might as well be some of us with a camera.

 

[dviss1]

LOL, there is no chance of this happening? By the way I read another thread that @BigGameDamian is a bot, is that true?

He's OUR bot... Get it straight.

 

[blue9]

If you get Griffin, where do you see Collins in 3 years? Trading for Griffin means going all-in on a Nurkic, Griffin, Lillard, and McCollum core as 4/5ths of the starting unit. Griffin would be untraceable for 4 years, and if his athleticism falls off with age, were screwed. And the best case scenario? Maybe a WCF, but I don't see that team being good enough to win a championship.

Griffin declining as Collins comes into his own? Sounds like a near-perfect scenario.

Griffin would start next season, but Collins would still be getting 24ish MPG. Then the following season, perhaps their roles reverse? But certainly by the 3rd season...at which point Griffin is becoming a huge expiring contract.

I see zero downside to this trade. Yes, Griffin's salary is massive, and yes he has injury history. But, he's still a FAR more useful player than the even more egregiously overpaid Turner. With Dame/CJ/Nurk we're never gong to have cap space again, so adding more salary doesn't negatively impact cap flexibility (aside from super tax). We also kick out Terry's crutch (Aminu) and force him to stop playing a bench-tweener as our starting PF.

I'm not the hugest Griffin fan, but he'd easily be our best PF since Sheed. His ability to dribble and pass will alleviate a lot of the pressure on Dame and CJ - he's well above average at both of these for his position. Couple that with Nurk also being above average passing/dribbling for his position, and - with a new coach - we could have AMAZING ball movement leading to high percentage shots.

 

[BigGameDamian]

If you get Griffin, where do you see Collins in 3 years? Trading for Griffin means going all-in on a Nurkic, Griffin, Lillard, and McCollum core as 4/5ths of the starting unit. Griffin would be untraceable for 4 years, and if his athleticism falls off with age, were screwed. And the best case scenario? Maybe a WCF, but I don't see that team being good enough to win a championship.

Obviously not much of a gambler. If Trader Bob was GM Collins would probably be gone in a Griffin deal.

 

[blue9]

But who can throw them?

 

[CupWizier]

Melo for Griffin straight up might help both teams though. I guess it just comes down to how much Detroit values both getting rid of Griffin and picks. Indiana might be another sneaky team. They have the 23rd pick and as mentioned above have several contracts that are only partially guaranteed for next year.

I don't see Detroit giving up on Blake without seeing how the fit is with a new coach and why would Detroit want Melo for Blake?

 

[hoopsjock]

I don't see Detroit giving up on Blake without seeing how the fit is with a new coach and why would Detroit want Melo for Blake?

Melo (assumimg he opts in) has one year on his contract. Griffin has 4 years on his contract including the last year being over $38 million when he's in his mid 30's. If Detroit resets they pretty much have to trade Griffin this summer or they risk getting stuck with him for the remaining years on a rebuilding team.

 

[dviss1]

Here's a trade that needs to happen:

Jamal Murray, Paul Millsap, Wilson Chandler, Darrell Arthur and the 14th pick for DeMar Derozen and Lowry.

Denver's been trying to get over the hump, and I this would make them much better. Murray is Canadian and would give the Raptors a homegrown talent:

Lowry / ?
Harris / Barton
Derozen / Barton
Lyles / Faried
Jokic / Plumlee

Wright / Vanfleet
Murray / ?
Anunoby / ?
Millsap / Ibaka
Valancuinas / Poeltl

Really? Paying 50 mil for 24 minutes apiece at the PF spot?

 

[dviss1]

I’m all aboard the Blake griffin train, guys choo choo.

I really think there’s a deal to be made there and the relationship between tellem and Olshey and Olshey and Blake makes me think it’s something that could happen. Only question is Detroit’s position on Griffin. Personally, I think they’d look to dump him. I mean why not? They’re not close to contending and his contract is an anchor. They also don’t have a first round pick.

If we give up CJ or Collins in a deal that brings back Griffin I'm gonna throw up.

 

[CupWizier]

Melo (assumimg he opts in) has one year on his contract. Griffin has 4 years on his contract including the last year being over $38 million when he's in his mid 30's. If Detroit resets they pretty much have to trade Griffin this summer or they risk getting stuck with him for the remaining years on a rebuilding team.

but wouldn't he still have the no trade clause in his contract? I don't see him wanting to go to Detroit.

 

[RR7]

but wouldn't he still have the no trade clause in his contract? I don't see him wanting to go to Detroit.

Buy out Anthony, and save over 100 million dollars, Anthony gets to go play with lebron or paul

 

[CupWizier]

Buy out Anthony, and save over 100 million dollars, Anthony gets to go play with lebron or paul

I just don't see Detroit willing to quit that easily on Griffin. They only have less than a 1/2 year with him and a new coach that will be coming in.

 

[riverman]

I just don't see Detroit willing to quit that easily on Griffin. They only have less than a 1/2 year with him and a new coach that will be coming in.

Griffin will get traded when he has a year left on his deal....there's just not that kind of cap space out there for teams to add him ...I'm not a fan of him in Portland at all.

 

[hoopsjock]

but wouldn't he still have the no trade clause in his contract? I don't see him wanting to go to Detroit.

True, good point. It's possible they could work out a buyout. That way Melo gets most of his money AND gets to play where he wants. Pistons still get a huge salary off their books of over $100 million after Melo comes off the books in a year.

 

[Hoopguru]

Let's take a Wiz!
I'm thinking they are going to be selling.
How about:
Leonard & AFA for K. Oubre Jr. & Mahinmi

I realize that Mahinmi is 31 but KO is very young still. Plus they would like to move one of their high priced centers I bet.
Leonard gives them a 4/5 that can stretch, which they need and AFA can play both 3/4 plus defend.

Im real high on Kelly Oubre Jr. and think he could be the type of 3 we need. The guy can even play some 2 as he is quick much that Pelican that defended our back court very well. Whats his name?

 

[CupWizier]

True, good point. It's possible they could work out a buyout. That way Melo gets most of his money AND gets to play where he wants. Pistons still get a huge salary off their books of over $100 million after Melo comes off the books in a year.

If that was the case, then I don't see that happening till around the trade deadline so Detroit gets a better idea how the fit with Griffin is. Detroit has no incentive to do it in the off season. OKC would likely have to give up more to take on Anthony's contract as well as Griffin is worth more than just a salary dump.

 

[CupWizier]

Let's take a Wiz!
I'm thinking they are going to be selling.
How about:
Leonard & AFA for K. Oubre Jr. & Mahinmi

I realize that Mahinmi is 31 but KO is very young still. Plus they would like to move one of their high priced centers I bet.
Leonard gives them a 4/5 that can stretch, which they need and AFA can play both 3/4 plus defend.

Im real high on Kelly Oubre Jr. and think he could be the type of 3 we need. The guy can even play some 2 as he is quick much that Pelican that defended our back court very well. Whats his name?

I have always been intrigued with Oubre and could be a poor mans Giannis Antetokounmpo as he is long and very athletic and keeps improving. He's been a bit inconsistent but if the cost was reasonable he would be a worthwhile risk.

 

[hoopsjock]

Let's take a Wiz!
I'm thinking they are going to be selling.
How about:
Leonard & AFA for K. Oubre Jr. & Mahinmi

I realize that Mahinmi is 31 but KO is very young still. Plus they would like to move one of their high priced centers I bet.
Leonard gives them a 4/5 that can stretch, which they need and AFA can play both 3/4 plus defend.

Im real high on Kelly Oubre Jr. and think he could be the type of 3 we need. The guy can even play some 2 as he is quick much that Pelican that defended our back court very well. Whats his name?

I doubt the Wizards would do that but that would be a really nice trade if it happened.

 

[Hoopguru]

I doubt the Wizards would do that but that would be a really nice trade if it happened.

they may not want to give up on KOJr.
But to get rid of Mahinmi's contract, they might? AFA would be a nice player for them too.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

620AM afternoon guys are talking about Blake Griffin. Saying the Griffin trade is basically the reason Van Gundy was fired, then following that up saying the Blazers should explore trading for him. Turner/Aminu for Blake saves Detroit a boatload of money. Clearly that's not equal value, but considering how much BG is owed, that might be worth it for them anyway. Considering his injury history and defensive deficiencies, would there be any point in a deal like that?

The rare trade where BOTH sides lose!

 

[hoopsjock]

If that was the case, then I don't see that happening till around the trade deadline so Detroit gets a better idea how the fit with Griffin is. Detroit has no incentive to do it in the off season. OKC would likely have to give up more to take on Anthony's contract as well as Griffin is worth more than just a salary dump.

I don't think you are factoring in what a big risk that is. If/when Griffin gets hurt again this year they might have trouble getting rid of him even if multiple draft picks were included to the team taking him on. Teams are going to be weary of paying him $38 million dollars in a season where he turns 33.

I think it all comes down to the new GM. It's not like they had a run after the trade like we did with Nurk or NoLa did this year with Mirotic to get them excited about next year. They drafted Luke Kennard at #12 in the past draft. Good shooter but isn't going to be much more than a spot up three point shooter in the NBA. It's a nice piece for a good team to have but not a non-playoff team. On top of that they traded their draft pick away this year for Griffin so they don't have what would have been the 12th pick in the draft. Their salary situation is pretty bad too as they are well over the cap already with only 10 guys under contract.

That doesn't scream to me like a situation that a new GM will want to come in and just see how things go next year. It seems like more of a clean house situation to me. A new GM will need to do what's right for the team moving forward and not worry about what they gave up to get Griffin or anything that happened previously. What Van Gundy was doing there obviously wasn't working otherwise he'd still be employed.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Re: Griffin. What intrigues me most is his passing ability. When Chris Paul was out and he was on the Clips he was basically a point forward, and that seemed to work really well.



However, he's already on the downslope and paid a shit-ton. But if Evan Turner is part of the trade, you basically HAVE to do it.

 

[hoopsjock]

The rare trade where BOTH sides lose!

The analysis part is always broken in the off season. I saw a trade last summer where we got LeBron for Turner and Leonard and it said negative wins for us.

 

[dviss1]

I could even see a lineup with Zach at SF. It’s not like Harkless handles the ball that much better. Shit, Zach’s already a better passer. Defensively Zach can stay in front of most wings. And if teams go small we could also put Zach at center. There are plenty of ways to get him on the court for 20-25m.

Lol no...

It always cracks me up when people think PFs can pay SF. That's the last place I'd put him.

 

[hoopsjock]

Re: Griffin. What intrigues me most is his passing ability. When Chris Paul was out and he was on the Clips he was basically a point forward, and that seemed to work really well.



However, he's already on the downslope and paid a shit-ton. But if Evan Turner is part of the trade, you basically HAVE to do it.

Someone like Griffin is basically the only way to add a big name talent without breaking up the back court. There are pros and cons. The cons are pretty bad but you have to live with those if you're in a situation like Portland finds themselves in.

 

[blue9]

But if Evan Turner is part of the trade, you basically HAVE to do it.

Yeah, I wouldn't do the trade if Evan weren't included.

 

[hoopsjock]

Lol no...

It always cracks me up when people think PFs can pay SF. That's the last place I'd put him.

Completely agree, this goes back to when people thought Sheed should play the 3. We shouldn't try to develop one of our young hopes at the wrong position.

 

[CupWizier]

I don't think you are factoring in what a big risk that is. If/when Griffin gets hurt again this year they might have trouble getting rid of him even if multiple draft picks were included to the team taking him on. Teams are going to be weary of paying him $38 million dollars in a season where he turns 33.

I think it all comes down to the new GM. It's not like they had a run after the trade like we did with Nurk or NoLa did this year with Mirotic to get them excited about next year. They drafted Luke Kennard at #12 in the past draft. Good shooter but isn't going to be much more than a spot up three point shooter in the NBA. It's a nice piece for a good team to have but not a non-playoff team. On top of that they traded their draft pick away this year for Griffin so they don't have what would have been the 12th pick in the draft. Their salary situation is pretty bad too as they are well over the cap already with only 10 guys under contract.

That doesn't scream to me like a situation that a new GM will want to come in and just see how things go next year. It seems like more of a clean house situation to me. A new GM will need to do what's right for the team moving forward and not worry about what they gave up to get Griffin or anything that happened previously. What Van Gundy was doing there obviously wasn't working otherwise he'd still be employed.

Griffin only played about 25 or so games for Detroit. So far Bowers is still GM and he's the one that brought Griffin in and to turn around and then do a salary dump seems a bit premature in my opinion. Time will tell I guess.

 

[hoopsjock]

Yeah, I wouldn't do the trade if Evan weren't included.

What's your reasoning behind that? Too much money? Injury concerns?

 

[hoopsjock]

Griffin only played about 25 or so games for Detroit. So far Bowers is still GM and he's the one that brought Griffin in and to turn around and then do a salary dump seems a bit premature in my opinion. Time will tell I guess.

Van Gundy had full control over all personnel decisions.