Trade Ideas Thread

[Rastapopoulos]

Detroit might seriously consider this one:

And I bet they'd actually be HAPPY to take this one:

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Yeah, I wouldn't do the trade if Evan weren't included.

So he's necessary AND sufficient #LogicTalk

 

[blue9]

What's your reasoning behind that? Too much money? Injury concerns?

It's a mix of Blake's salary, injury history, age, and attitude. I'm willing to overlook all of this if we are getting rid of our worst-most-expensive-player. But if we're ADDING Blake's issues to the current issues we have with Turner, the reward isn't great enough for the price/risk.
Also, I'm not sure how you'd make it work financially without Turner...if you could make it work it'd likely include players I wouldn't want to include. Dame, CJ, Collins (not that he has much salary), and Nurk are all off the table - so it seems like the trade would NEED to be built around Turner.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Just let Harkless develop,

I was going to make a snarky comment about that, but then I looked it up and Harkless is STILL just 24. Seems like he's been around forever! He's nearly 2 years younger than CJ.

 

[CupWizier]

Van Gundy had full control over all personnel decisions.

Yes, but we have no idea how involved Bowers was in putting together the deal. It could have very easily been his doing and Van Gundy approved it. Kind of like with Pritchard in Indiana while Bird was there. I often put deals together where I worked and my manager (and in some cases the owner) approved them.

 

[Scalma]

Lol no...

It always cracks me up when people think PFs can pay SF. That's the last place I'd put him.

It always cracks me up when people claim a subjective opinion is wrong.

 

[hoopsjock]

It's a mix of Blake's salary, injury history, age, and attitude. I'm willing to overlook all of this if we are getting rid of our worst-most-expensive-player. But if we're ADDING Blake's issues to the current issues we have with Turner, the reward isn't great enough for the price/risk.
Also, I'm not sure how you'd make it work financially without Turner...if you could make it work it'd likely include players I wouldn't want to include. Dame, CJ, Collins (not that he has much salary), and Nurk are all off the table - so it seems like the trade would NEED to be built around Turner.

Gotcha, I thought you initially were saying that you wouldn't trade for him even if Turner was included.

 

[hoopsjock]

Yes, but we have no idea how involved Bowers was in putting together the deal. It could have very easily been his doing and Van Gundy approved it. Kind of like with Pritchard in Indiana while Bird was there. I often put deals together where I worked and my manager (and in some cases the owner) approved them.

I mean that is all just speculation. The facts are that they traded for Griffin and it was so bad that the man in charge of player personnel lost both that title and was fired from being coach as well. Trading for Griffin literally cost him his job and put the team in a huge financial burden for four more years. The team has made the playoffs once in 9 years (A sweep by LeBron).

Who knows what they will do though?

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

POR: Carmelo Anthony

OKC: Evan Turner and Moe Harkless

DAL: Meyers Leonard, #51, #57, and POR 2020 lottery protected 1st round pick

 

[blue9]

Gotcha, I thought you initially were saying that you wouldn't trade for him even if Turner was included.

Oh no - I'm TOTALLY on board with trading Turner/Aminu/Pick for Griffin!

 

[blue9]

POR: Carmelo Anthony

OKC: Evan Turner and Moe Harkless

DAL: Meyers Leonard, #51, #57, and POR 2020 lottery protected 1st round pick

I'm all for getting rid of Turner, but I just don't get the reasoning behind this. We give up assets in order to get worse?

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I'm all for getting rid of Turner, but I just don't get the reasoning behind this. We give up assets in order to get worse?

Considering we’d be dropping off ~36 mil in one season for basically Moe Harkless and a lottery protected pick two years from now, worth it. We have so much deadweight on this team, we aren’t going anywhere either anytime soon, may as well look at a potential rebuild.

 

[RR7]

Considering we’d be dropping off ~36 mil in one season for basically Moe Harkless and a lottery protected pick two years from now, worth it. We have so much deadweight on this team, we aren’t going anywhere either anytime soon, may as well look at a potential rebuild.

If you are looking at a potential rebuild, why would you give up future picks? That hurts a rebuild. This trade doesn't really do anything to help a rebuild.

 

[blue9]

Considering we’d be dropping off ~36 mil in one season for basically Moe Harkless and a lottery protected pick two years from now, worth it. We have so much deadweight on this team, we aren’t going anywhere either anytime soon, may as well look at a potential rebuild.

But with Dame/CJ/Nurk, plus the minimum-scrubs, we're still at/over the cap. So you gave away Harkless and draft picks and we still don't have room to sign free agents. And, even if you did create cap space we'd just sign more mediocre players to overpriced contracts. So...I'm still failing to see any reason why anyone outside of OKC would want anything to do with that trade. And I'm not even sure OKC would be into it, given Turner's contract lasts longer than Melo's.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Who the fuck are these unathletic numb nuts? Might as well be some of us with a camera.

I thought they where HCP's groupies.

 

[dviss1]

Completely agree, this goes back to when people thought Sheed should play the 3. We shouldn't try to develop one of our young hopes at the wrong position.

How'd that work with SAR?

It didn't...

 

[Rastapopoulos]

POR: Carmelo Anthony

OKC: Evan Turner and Moe Harkless

DAL: Meyers Leonard, #51, #57, and POR 2020 lottery protected 1st round pick

Why isn't there an "unlike" button?

 

[BonesJones]

What's the name of that shit you're smoking??? I want some!!!

19 and 5 per 36 on 47FG%, 40 3pt%, and along with great defense...? That's as good as CJ.

 

[BonesJones]

Really? Paying 50 mil for 24 minutes apiece at the PF spot?

They'd be rebuilding. Millsap is expiring.

 

[dviss1]

They'd be rebuilding. Millsap is expiring.

Fair enough. I just noticed the Team option for 18-19"

 

[Labinot41]

And our "System" is give Dame and CJ the Ball and get out of the way

 

[Labinot41]

Robert Covington plays horrible for the 6ers. I would love to have him on the Blazers. Maybe LeBron goes to the 6ers so they don't need him anymore

 

[BonesJones]

Robert Covington plays horrible for the 6ers. I would love to have him on the Blazers. Maybe LeBron goes to the 6ers so they don't need him anymore

If LeBron goes there they keep Covington and start LeBron and Simmons in the backcourt.

 

[BonesJones]

My favorite realistic idea:

MIL Gets: Al-Farouq Aminu
POR Gets: Matthew Dellavedova (TPE), Jerryd Bayless, 10th Pick, 26th Pick
PHI Gets: 17th Pick, 24th Pick, Right to Swap 2019 1sts (POR)

MIL needs PF help, and Aminu gives them another hybrid forward with switchability potential (they already have Giannis, Middleton, and Snell who can guard positions 1-4). They also shed a bad contract in Dellavedova as they're dangerously close to the tax. Could send out Snell instead. Philadelphia turns 10 and 26 into 17, 24, and the right to swap 2019 1sts while shedding Bayless to create cap space.

POR Gets: Courtney Lee, Marvin Williams, 9th Pick
NYK Gets: Evan Turner, Caleb Swanigan, 10th Pick, 2019 MIN/LAL 2nd, 2021 POR 2nd
CHA Gets: Lance Thomas, Jake Layman, 2021 MIA 2nd (POR), 2022 POR 2nd

New York will be tanking next year with Porzingas possibly missing the whole season, and consolidating Lee and Thomas is a lateral move that saves them $1.5M. However, they decide to add Swanigan and two future 2nds to move down one spot in the draft, where they would likely draft Sexton or Young at 10. Allows us to take Mikal Bridges at 9.
Charlotte saves apx. $6.5M over the next couple years by swapping Williams for Thomas and cutting Layman (or they could keep him if they want). They also get a couple 2nd round picks. Portland gets their Aminu replacement.

POR drafts Mikal Bridges 9th, Chandler Hutchison 26th.

After Darrell Arthur opts-in, Portland trades Jerryd Bayless to Denver for Darrell Arthur
- Both mediocre players on similar expiring contracts, Portland would need PF depth, Denver has a ton of PFs (Faried, Millsap, Lyles, Hernangomez) and needs PG depth.

Portland resigns Jusuf Nurkic and Ed Davis

Lillard (36) / McCollum (12) / Baldwin / Dellavedova
McCollum (23) / Lee (20) / Hutchison (5)
Bridges (20) / Harkless (24) / Hutchison (4)/ Thomas
Collins (24) / Williams (24) / Arthur
Nurkic (30) / Davis (18) / Leonard

That team is better defensively IMO. But offensively, we have a lot better 3pt shooting with the additions of Williams, Lee, and Bridges. We also have more youth going forward.

In the summer of 2020, Harkless, Leonard, Dellavedova, Thomas, Lee, and Williams would all expire. We'd have some cap space with a core of Lillard, McCollum, Collins, Nurkic, Bridges, Davis, and Hutchison.

 

[RR7]

10 and 26 for 17 and 24 isn't "consolidating".

 

[BonesJones]

10 and 26 for 17 and 24 isn't "consolidating".

And a right to swap 1sts while getting rid of Bayless' contract.

I love how I post a trade idea and people take half of it and say something. Read the whole thing.

 

[RR7]

And a right to swap 1sts while getting rid of Bayless' contract.

I love how I post a trade idea and people take half of it and say something. Read the whole thing.

I read the whole thing. "Philadelphia consolidates10 and 26 into17, 24"

Consolidate: combine (a number of things) into a single more effective or coherent whole.

Trading 3 picks for 3picks and a salary dump isn't them consolidating. Especially when they're trading down in the draft. If they consolidate 10 and 26, it'd be for 6, or 7. Or a player. You didn't consolidate.

 

[BonesJones]

I read the whole thing. "Philadelphia consolidates10 and 26 into17, 24"

Consolidate: combine (a number of things) into a single more effective or coherent whole.

Trading 3 picks for 3picks and a salary dump isn't them consolidating. Especially when they're trading down in the draft. If they consolidate 10 and 26, it'd be for 6, or 7. Or a player. You didn't consolidate.

I think I was thinking of another word that starts with c.

Substitute "swap" then..

 

[tester551]

I've been looking at rosters & salaries tonight to see if there's any realistic way to improve the team.

I don't see that there are really many legitimate trade options.

Here's one that I think might have some legs:
ET + Meyers ($28.4M out) to Memphis for Parsons + #32 pick ($24.1M in).

Memphis does this for healthy players. ET & Parsons have about equal impact when they play. ET just plays a lot more. They also take on Meyers as a reclaimation project in hopes of flipping him.

Portland does this to get a better fit & much bether 3pnt shooting. They know Parsons will only play about 50% of the games. Training staff will help him focus on being available for the playoffs.

As a follow-up trade, I'd look to do:
Swanigan + future 2nd ($1.5M out) to Charlotte for Jeremy Lamb ($7.5M in using the Crabbe TPE).

Lamb takes over Pats role as the backup SG & ocationally sliding over to SF.

Charlotte cuts payroll.

We add $2M in salary overall, but we no longer need to pay Pat & can let him walk

 

[BonesJones]

I've been looking at rosters & salaries tonight to see if there's any realistic way to improve the team.

I don't see that there are really many legitimate trade options.

Here's one that I think might have some legs:
ET + Meyers ($28.4M out) to Memphis for Parsons + #32 pick ($24.1M in).

Memphis does this for healthy players. ET & Parsons have about equal impact when they play. ET just plays a lot more. They also take on Meyers as a reclaimation project in hopes of flipping him.

Portland does this to get a better fit & much bether 3pnt shooting. They know Parsons will only play about 50% of the games. Training staff will help him focus on being available for the playoffs.

As a follow-up trade, I'd look to do:
Swanigan + future 2nd ($1.5M out) to Charlotte for Jeremy Lamb ($7.5M in using the Crabbe TPE).

Lamb takes over Pats role as the backup SG & ocationally sliding over to SF.

Charlotte cuts payroll.

We add $2M in salary overall, but we no longer need to pay Pat & can let him walk

Why would Memphis do that? They give up the best player and a pick to take on $4M more of useless salary. Makes no sense.

Charlottes not going to trade Lamb for $6M savings and a bunch of nothing. He's expiring. They have much worse contracts. That's like saying we trade Aminu for Tony Bradley and a 2nd to "save salary".

Sorry man.. haha.