Trade Ideas Thread (8 Viewers)

[BonesJones]

Man fuck... C'mon bones... Why you always wanna trade for George Hill??

I think he fuckin sucks... He's killin' me in this Cavs series.

Ehhh, he'd be better with us. Shot a very efficient percentage this year, and has been a 40% 3pt shooter the past two years. He has a super long wingspan and is a good defender so he can guard both ball spots. He's also a good ball handler and can attack the rim here and there. Plus, he's a veteran presence that we need. He's be a great 3rd guard for us. IMO we need a guard that can hit the 3, defend two guard positions well, and handle the ball, and he's the only one that could be available that can do that.

 

[BonesJones]

Resigned Nurk and the 24th pick for Dray

Lmao...

Why would Golden State do that? What...

 

[BonesJones]

I like the idea, but Portland doesn't need Matthews or payroll relief as much as they need picks. If they can get payroll relief and add picks, I am all for it. They have two ways of adding talent: 1- Draft 2- Trades. They have to be real smart on what they add and losing the pick won't help them even at the relief of payroll because relief only matters if you can sign someone of use with that money which Portland has not done for years. Just my opinion.

Exactly, we can't lose an asset to help payroll.

 

[hoopsjock]

From B/R

Dallas Mavericks Get: Chandler Parsons, Evan Turner, Memphis’ No. 4 pick in 2018

Memphis Grizzlies Get: Harrison Barnes, Dallas’ 2019 first-round pick (top-10 protected in 2019, top-five protected in 2020), Portland’s No. 24 pick in 2018

Portland Trail Blazers Get: Wesley Matthews

Portland is glad to get off Evan Turner’s salary for the price of its No. 24 pick, reuniting with Matthews on a deal that expires after the 2018-19 season.

Not only would that get Portland some much-needed cap relief following the 2018-19 season (while keeping their core intact), they would also get a hard-nosed, proven “three and D” player beloved in the city of Portland. While Matthews is on the wrong side of 30 (he turns 32 in October), he has remained a productive player in three seasons with the Mavericks. He is set to make $18.6 million in the upcoming and final year of his contract.

Matthews spent five seasons in Portland from 2010-2015. The “Iron Man” has averaged over 30 minutes per game every year since his rookie season with the Utah Jazz. He averaged 12.7 points, 3.1 rebounds, and 2.7 assists for the Mavs this season in 63 games, all starts. He shot 40 percent from the field and 38 percent from distance.

Yeah, this is the same trade we've talked about (from our end) of Turner and 24 for Wes. This is a no from me unless the pick isn't involved.

 

[lamlor]

Exactly, we can't lose an asset to help payroll.

Thank you. If we want to just do a 5 year rebuild, then dump away, but if we really are trying to contend then we need assets. We need more assets. CJ gives us are only true way of getting an asset(s) worth building with. I am not an Olshey fan so I am not holding my breath on anything.

 

[dviss1]

Ehhh, he'd be better with us. Shot a very efficient percentage this year, and has been a 40% 3pt shooter the past two years. He has a super long wingspan and is a good defender so he can guard both ball spots. He's also a good ball handler and can attack the rim here and there. Plus, he's a veteran presence that we need. He's be a great 3rd guard for us. IMO we need a guard that can hit the 3, defend two guard positions well, and handle the ball, and he's the only one that could be available that can do that.

I've seen him his whole career. He's an ok defender. I wouldn't call him good. That Cavaliers team is itching for a consistent 2nd/3rd scorer and he ain't it. He's passive. And fuck passive. We can get a cheaper, younger, better George Hill in the Draft.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

From B/R

Dallas Mavericks Get: Chandler Parsons, Evan Turner, Memphis’ No. 4 pick in 2018

Memphis Grizzlies Get: Harrison Barnes, Dallas’ 2019 first-round pick (top-10 protected in 2019, top-five protected in 2020), Portland’s No. 24 pick in 2018

Portland Trail Blazers Get: Wesley Matthews

Portland is glad to get off Evan Turner’s salary for the price of its No. 24 pick, reuniting with Matthews on a deal that expires after the 2018-19 season.

Not only would that get Portland some much-needed cap relief following the 2018-19 season (while keeping their core intact), they would also get a hard-nosed, proven “three and D” player beloved in the city of Portland. While Matthews is on the wrong side of 30 (he turns 32 in October), he has remained a productive player in three seasons with the Mavericks. He is set to make $18.6 million in the upcoming and final year of his contract.

Matthews spent five seasons in Portland from 2010-2015. The “Iron Man” has averaged over 30 minutes per game every year since his rookie season with the Utah Jazz. He averaged 12.7 points, 3.1 rebounds, and 2.7 assists for the Mavs this season in 63 games, all starts. He shot 40 percent from the field and 38 percent from distance.

I’m on the record that Wes Matthews is my favorite blazer ever (don’t take that wrong I know he isn’t close to the best ever). I think part of why I dislike NO is how disrespectful he was towards Matthews on the way out, no call, nothing just silence.
Matthews to me played / plays the game of basketball the way it’s meant to be playe, passion and energy on both sides of the ball, doesn’t feel the need to show boat, just balls and puts everything he has into every play. Even if he’s not what he used to be, I’d have a huge smile on my face to see him in Blazer uniform again.

 

[PDXFonz]

I like the idea, but Portland doesn't need Matthews or payroll relief as much as they need picks. If they can get payroll relief and add picks, I am all for it. They have two ways of adding talent: 1- Draft 2- Trades. They have to be real smart on what they add and losing the pick won't help them even at the relief of payroll because relief only matters if you can sign someone of use with that money which Portland has not done for years. Just my opinion.

I don’t think we need picks, I think we need guys who are seasoned Playoffs vets. Look at every nba team left... each one has a good number of guys with deep playoff experience on them.

 

[Sarni]

I don’t think we need picks, I think we need guys who are seasoned Playoffs vets. Look at every nba team left... each one has a good number of guys with deep playoff experience on them.

The only way this team will ever get competitive and have realistic shot at winning (and by this I mean winning in the postseason and getting to conference finals at least) is if we somehow get lucky and draft a ready now player that everybody else slept on. We are not going to get top draft picks to get another Simmons or Towns but we have a slim chance of getting someone like Booker or Mitchell.

We don’t have assets to go after a star player and I don’t buy into the idea that getting more 28-30 year olds who have been average for their entire career (Courtney Lee, Thad Young, Trevor Booker etc., the kind of players people wanted us to trade our picks for last year) will move the needle. It would make a difference in a league with no super teams but we are in a league with Warriors, Rockets and Celtics (Sixers too soon) who have so much to throw at us that having Lillard, CJ and a bunch of average players will never get us far.

 

[Sarni]

I heard Wizards rumored as one of the teams interested in Nurkic. They can’t offer him more than MLE because they are in cap hell, however we could do a sign and trade deal that would facilitate this move.

Would you do Otto Porter for Nurkic in a sign and trade? Nurk is probably going to make much less than him so it would save Washington some money and we would get a competent wing that could help our scoring, albeit a very expensive one.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I heard Wizards rumored as one of the teams interested in Nurkic. They can’t offer him more than MLE because they are in cap hell, however we could do a sign and trade deal that would facilitate this move.

Would you do Otto Porter for Nurkic in a sign and trade? Nurk is probably going to make much less than him so it would save Washington some money and we would get a competent wing that could help our scoring, albeit a very expensive one.

Because of the contract difference, and because of BYC rules on sign-and-trades, that could be pretty difficult to swing. It would basically have to be something like re-signed Nurk+Turner+Meyers for Porter+Mahinmi, and I don't see that making sense for the Wiz.

 

[BonesJones]

I heard Wizards rumored as one of the teams interested in Nurkic. They can’t offer him more than MLE because they are in cap hell, however we could do a sign and trade deal that would facilitate this move.

Would you do Otto Porter for Nurkic in a sign and trade? Nurk is probably going to make much less than him so it would save Washington some money and we would get a competent wing that could help our scoring, albeit a very expensive one.

I'd definitely consider it. Have Collins and Davis as centers.. Harkless off the bench too.

 

[BonesJones]

Because of the contract difference, and because of BYC rules on sign-and-trades, that could be pretty difficult to swing. It would basically have to be something like re-signed Nurk+Turner+Meyers for Porter+Mahinmi, and I don't see that making sense for the Wiz.

Or throw in picks from either team to a 3rd team to dump Turner.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Or throw in picks from either team to a 3rd team to dump Turner.

Ignoring the bad contract exchange, is Nurk+picks worth Porter?

 

[Sarni]

Because of the contract difference, and because of BYC rules on sign-and-trades, that could be pretty difficult to swing. It would basically have to be something like re-signed Nurk+Turner+Meyers for Porter+Mahinmi, and I don't see that making sense for the Wiz.

It actually makes some sense for Wizards if they really want Nurkic. Mahinmi is just as bad as Meyers and Turner (only $11M or so less expensive) and they could find use for Turner off the bench.

 

[Sarni]

Ignoring the bad contract exchange, is Nurk+picks worth Porter?

Well we can't offer Nurkic plus picks.

 

[tester551]

I heard Wizards rumored as one of the teams interested in Nurkic. They can’t offer him more than MLE because they are in cap hell, however we could do a sign and trade deal that would facilitate this move.

Would you do Otto Porter for Nurkic in a sign and trade? Nurk is probably going to make much less than him so it would save Washington some money and we would get a competent wing that could help our scoring, albeit a very expensive one.

Since we are in cap hell too, sign & trades are pretty much off the table. It would hard-cap both teams

 

[Sarni]

Since we are in cap hell too, sign & trades are pretty much off the table. It would hard-cap both teams

Good point.

There should be a movie about the Summer of 2016. It would start with Bismack Biyombo driving his van and getting a call with $70M offer or whatever he received.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Because of the contract difference, and because of BYC rules on sign-and-trades, that could be pretty difficult to swing. It would basically have to be something like re-signed Nurk+Turner+Meyers for Porter+Mahinmi, and I don't see that making sense for the Wiz.

So, what if Portland matched some team's offer on Nurk (not Washington)? Or if there were no offers and Portland signed him. Could they then immediately include him in a trade? If signed for about $12 million, he could be traded along with Harkless to Washington for Porter, or not?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

BTW, I assume that everyone is familiar with BYC (base year compensation), but just in case anyone reading this is not, it means that if we wanted to sign/trade Nurkic (and he agreed to it), his incoming value to the receiving team would be the amount of his new salary, but his outgoing salary for us (for salary matching purposes) would only be half of that (or last year's salary, whichever is more). So, for example, if he were being re-signed for $15M, we would only get to count $7.5M going out. To expand, using the Wizards/Porter example.

WIZ out--Porter (26.012M)
WIZ in--Nurk (15M), Meyers (10.596M)--total 25.596M--MATCH
POR out--Nurk (7.5M), Meyers (10.596M)--total 18.096M
POR in--Porter (26.012M)--144% of outgoing--NO MATCH

But if more salaries are included on both sides...

WIZ out--Porter (26.012M), Gortat (13.565M)--total 39.577M
WIZ in--Nurk (15M), Turner (17.869M), Aminu (6.957M)--total 39.826M--MATCH
POR out--Nurk (7.5M), Turner (17.869M), Aminu (6.957M)--total 32.326M
POR in--Porter (26.012M), Gortat (13.565M)--total 39.577M--122.4% of outgoing--MATCH

So long story short, aside from the complication of getting the player and the teams to all agree on S&T, salary matching is also a lot tougher than some might realize.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Since we are in cap hell too, sign & trades are pretty much off the table. It would hard-cap both teams

Not true--S&T's only cap the team receiving the S&T player; the team sending him out isn't affected.

So, what if Portland matched some team's offer on Nurk (not Washington)? Or if there were no offers and Portland signed him. Could they then immediately include him in a trade? If signed for about $12 million, he could be traded along with Harkless to Washington for Porter, or not?

When a team matches a player's RFA offer sheet, that player cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15th (January 15th if the team is over the cap after matching), whichever is later. So no, we cannot match and trade.

If there were no offer sheet signed, then yes we could S/T him, subject to the BYC rules I explained above.

 

[lamlor]

I don’t think we need picks, I think we need guys who are seasoned Playoffs vets. Look at every nba team left... each one has a good number of guys with deep playoff experience on them.

My point, though unclear, wasn't meant what we need or didn't need, but what we could get to help the team advance. Trades and draft picks are our only source of improvement. I think we all can agree that signing vets just isn't a Blazers thing unless they want to drastically overpay for marginal vets putting us right back where we are.

And I do think adding the right rookies could go a long way, but we have to draft way better than we have. Dame was a great pick and CJ was as far as talent goes, but I don't think he ever fit the need and sometimes a fit is more important than just pure talent when picking unless the talent is so great you can make it work. I never liked trading picks to move up to 10 when we needed vast bench improvement which could only come with the draft. I never liked the Collins pick even as a huge Zags fan. Swanigan was a shot in the dark pick at his draft spot, but I think you should always take a shot at an athlete with a lower pick because all my years of high school coaching I always said you could teach an athlete to play basketball but you can't teach a basketball player to be an athlete. NBA is an athletic sport more now than ever. And my use of the word athletic in basketball is different than some who think Pat C is athletic. He had good combine numbers, but watching him on the court shows how marginal of a basketball athlete he really is and I don't care if get is a MLB pitching prospect.

My 2 cents...

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Ok, so my last trade suggestion was outrageously in Portland's favor, so, to redress the balance:

But hear me out: Apparently the rumor is that Luka Doncic might fall out of the top 3, AND NO was in Europe to watch Real Madrid win the Euro-title, and OBVIOUSLY this trade would be Parsons AND MEMPHIS'S #4 pick for CJ.

If you don't like Doncic but think, say, Mo Bamba is the next Rudy Gobert, then you can imagine us taking him instead. Or maybe Michael Porter really is the best player in the draft (as he says) and we take him and hire his old coach Brandon Roy as an assistant...

Added bonus: Dame could never ever shut up about the .9 shot.

 

[CupWizier]

So, what if Portland matched some team's offer on Nurk (not Washington)? Or if there were no offers and Portland signed him. Could they then immediately include him in a trade? If signed for about $12 million, he could be traded along with Harkless to Washington for Porter, or not?

No, it can't happen that way. If there is no agreement in place for a sign and trade before the deal is consummated then Nurkic can't be traded till 3 months after the deal was made or December 15th (whichever one is later). The sign and trade also has to be completed within 48 hours and if it is rescinded for whatever reason then the contract is null and void and the player is once again a free agent as before.

 

[CupWizier]

My point, though unclear, wasn't meant what we need or didn't need, but what we could get to help the team advance. Trades and draft picks are our only source of improvement. I think we all can agree that signing vets just isn't a Blazers thing unless they want to drastically overpay for marginal vets putting us right back where we are.

And I do think adding the right rookies could go a long way, but we have to draft way better than we have. Dame was a great pick and CJ was as far as talent goes, but I don't think he ever fit the need and sometimes a fit is more important than just pure talent when picking unless the talent is so great you can make it work. I never liked trading picks to move up to 10 when we needed vast bench improvement which could only come with the draft. I never liked the Collins pick even as a huge Zags fan. Swanigan was a shot in the dark pick at his draft spot, but I think you should always take a shot at an athlete with a lower pick because all my years of high school coaching I always said you could teach an athlete to play basketball but you can't teach a basketball player to be an athlete. NBA is an athletic sport more now than ever. And my use of the word athletic in basketball is different than some who think Pat C is athletic. He had good combine numbers, but watching him on the court shows how marginal of a basketball athlete he really is and I don't care if get is a MLB pitching prospect.

My 2 cents...

can I have some change please as I believe you are overcharging!

 

[BonesJones]

POR Gets: 21st pick, Tobias Harris, Boban Marjonovic
LAC Gets: Meyers Leonard, Thabo Sefelosha, 2019 POR 1st, 2019 Best of MIN/LAL 2nds, 2020 POR 2nd
UTAH Gets: 24th Pick, Al-Farouq Aminu, Jake Layman*

LAC - Can decline Sefelosha's team option and save apx. $13M next year. Leonard and Marjonovic have similar contracts. They also get a 1st and some 2nds.
UTAH - Moves down 3 spots to swap out the injured Sefelosha (they have a ton of wings) for Aminu. Favors is likely to move on next year, and a 3-and-D PF makes sense in their lineup.
POR - Gets a legit starting PF on the final year of his contract who's still young. Uses the 21st pick on Hutchison (we move ahead of Chicago so we can take him)

NYK Gets: Evan Turner, Caleb Swanigan, 2021 POR 2nd, 2021 MIA 2nd
POR Gets: Otto Porter Jr, Courtney Lee*, Lance Thomas
WAS Gets: Maurice Harkless, 2021 POR 1st,

NYK - Consolidates the two remaining years on Thomas and Lee's contracts (apx. $19M per year) into Turner (apx. $18M per year), a young PF prospect (Porzingas is hurt and Beasley is a FA and was the only backup PF), and 2nd round picks.
WAS - Saves $14M which allows them to use the full MLE and avoid the luxury tax. Harkless replaces Porter in the lineup and can replace some of his production. Opens up more minutes for Oubre. They also get a 1st round pick.
POR - Gets a legit starting SF and a backup SG.

Lillard (36) / McCollum (12)
McCollum (24) / Lee (24)
Porter Jr. (33) / Hutchison (8) / Harris (7)
Harris (26) / Collins (22)
Nurkic (30) / Davis (18)

 

[BonesJones]

@hoopsjock In terms of matching salary in a trade, you can't bring in more than $5M more than you're sending out in a trade if you're over the cap, right? Or is it 125% the whole way?

Basically, could we send out $30M and take back $37M? 125% of $30M is $37.5M.

 

[hoopsjock]

@hoopsjock In terms of matching salary in a trade, you can't bring in more than $5M more than you're sending out in a trade if you're over the cap, right? Or is it 125% the whole way?

Basically, could we send out $30M and take back $37M? 125% of $30M is $37.5M.

I'm almost certain they took out the $5 million rule. It is just 125% plus $100,000 so yes we can send out $30 million and take back $37 million.

 

[BonesJones]

I'm almost certain they took out the $5 million rule. It is just 125% plus $100,000 so yes we can send out $30 million and take back $37 million.

I've tried doing some research and can't come to a conclusive conclusion.

 

[RR7]

For non-taxpaying teams (again, they must be under the tax level after the trade), the salaries that can be acquired depend on the total salaries the team is trading away:

Non-Taxpaying Teams
Outgoing salary Maximum incoming salary
$0 to $6,533,333 175% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,0005
$6,533,334 to $19.6 million The outgoing salary plus $5 million5
$19.6 million and up 125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000
Taxpaying teams can take back up to 125% of their outgoing salaries, plus $100,000, no matter how much salary the team is sending away. For example, a taxpaying team trading away $10 million in salaries can acquire one or more replacement players making up to $12.6 million.

Taxpaying Teams
Outgoing salary Maximum incoming salary
Any 125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000