Trade Ideas Thread

[GriLtCheeZ]

oops, I see this was already discussed in the trade thread. Please merge this to that thread.

Thanks!

 

[Labinot41]

The Celtics have a ton of Assets, while we have 17 million Evan turnover and 10 million meyers fucking Leonard. Shit sucks

 

[Scalma]

I'll do it when DEN is on the clock, but not before. I'll hold out for something better for as long as possible. But yeah, if that's the best we can do then take it.

I’d do it even before Denver was on the clock. Talk to some teams picking in the lottery and see how high we can get packaging our two picks (and maybe a player.) Pretty sure these scenarios are usually discussed before the draft begins though, it just depends on how the thing plays out.

Or talk to other teams about what vet we can get for the pick(s)

 

[hoopsjock]

I’d do it even before Denver was on the clock. Talk to some teams picking in the lottery and see how high we can get packaging our two picks (and maybe a player.) Pretty sure these scenarios are usually discussed before the draft begins though, it just depends on how the thing plays out.

Or talk to other teams about what vet we can get for the pick(s)

Yeah, assuming we already tried for higher salary dump picks and were rejected, #14 is pretty damn good for taking on Faried. I'd take it immediately.

Then do something like Faried and 14 to NY for Noah and 9. Boom, we just got Mikal Bridges without giving up any starters and NY saves a ton of money.

Or get really ambitious and offer Faried, 14, and 24 for Biyombo and #6 or something along those lines to get Porter Jr.

Ahhhh, I can dream right?

 

[CupWizier]

Yeah, assuming we already tried for higher salary dump picks and were rejected, #14 is pretty damn good for taking on Faried. I'd take it immediately.

Then do something like Faried and 14 to NY for Noah and 9. Boom, we just got Mikal Bridges without giving up any starters and NY saves a ton of money.

Or get really ambitious and offer Faried, 14, and 24 for Biyombo and #6 or something along those lines to get Porter Jr.

Ahhhh, I can dream right?

I would think Denver would want more than just salary relief to give up a lottery pick. They have reportedly been looking to move Faried for the past few years and now with one year left they will also give up the 14th pick? I would be shocked if it was as simple as that, but then again, it's the NBA.

 

[Scalma]

I would think Denver would want more than just salary relief to give up a lottery pick. They have reportedly been looking to move Faried for the past few years and now with one year left they will also give up the 14th pick? I would be shocked if it was as simple as that, but then again, it's the NBA.

Denver would probably prioritize salary relief over another rookie. They already have young players like Malik Beasley, Lydon, and hernangomez stuck at the end of the bench.

 

[dviss1]

I’d do it even before Denver was on the clock. Talk to some teams picking in the lottery and see how high we can get packaging our two picks (and maybe a player.) Pretty sure these scenarios are usually discussed before the draft begins though, it just depends on how the thing plays out.

Or talk to other teams about what vet we can get for the pick(s)

This doesn't sound like a good idea. What would prevent the other team from cutting out the middle man?

 

[CupWizier]

Denver would probably prioritize salary relief over another rookie. They already have young players like Malik Beasley, Lydon, and hernangomez stuck at the end of the bench.

The 14th pick and Faried could probably net them a decent role player though. Looking at it from Denvers point of view I would want more.

 

[hoopsjock]

This doesn't sound like a good idea. What would prevent the other team from cutting out the middle man?

The 14th pick and Faried could probably net them a decent role player though. Looking at it from Denvers point of view I would want more.

We're the only team that can offer complete salary relief though.

 

[CupWizier]

We're the only team that can offer complete salary relief though.

I understand that part. I just don't think Denver is that desperate to also include a lottery pick. It's not like they are getting rid of a player that can't be productive at all. If I was Denver, I would give up a second round pick or high first round pick, but definitely not a lottery pick.

 

[Hoopguru]

I understand that part. I just don't think Denver is that desperate to also include a lottery pick. It's not like they are getting rid of a player that can't be productive at all. If I was Denver, I would give up a second round pick or high first round pick, but definitely not a lottery pick.

I don't think they would give up that pick.

 

[hoopsjock]

I understand that part. I just don't think Denver is that desperate to also include a lottery pick. It's not like they are getting rid of a player that can't be productive at all. If I was Denver, I would give up a second round pick or high first round pick, but definitely not a lottery pick.

For them it's the difference between being over the cap and close to the luxury tax line if they use the MLE or under the cap. I guess it just depends on how much they value getting a little cap space.

 

[blue9]

The more I think about it, the more ridiculous it is to think DEN would part with their pick in order to get rid of Faried.
Personally, I think WE'D be stupid to attach a 1st rounder to get rid of Turner or Meyers, so it'd be beyond stupid for DEN to attach a better pick to a (slightly) better player on an expiring contract.

 

[Scalma]

The more I think about it, the more ridiculous it is to think DEN would part with their pick in order to get rid of Faried.
Personally, I think WE'D be stupid to attach a 1st rounder to get rid of Turner or Meyers, so it'd be beyond stupid for DEN to attach a better pick to a (slightly) better player on an expiring contract.

At the end of the day it really is all about the money for most teams. Guys get dumped for nothing all the time for financial reasons. Cleveland gave us a first just to take on Varajeo or however you spell it. We handed Brooklyn Crabbe for nothing but financial relief.

 

[boredinsalem]

It seems like now would be a good time to buy-low on Derozan, especially given how close he and Dame are. His length over CJ may make us more versatile on offense, and it would be nice to have another source of easy buckets in a good that can get to the cup, IF we had another shooter in the lineup.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y95n592e

I think we'd need to find a way to get another shooter or offload ET to make this work, but it could be interesting. It probably helps Cleveland regardless of whether Lebron stays.

CJ to Cleveland
Love to Toronto
Derozan to Portland

Or an expansion of it if Toronto really wants to blow it up (I'm sure they'd want a pick though, and I don't think what Cleveland gets makes it worthwhile for them to give up the #8 this year)

CJ to Cleveland
Love/Turner to Toronto (and some sort of future picks)
Derozan/Ibaka to Portland

 

[blue9]

At the end of the day it really is all about the money for most teams. Guys get dumped for nothing all the time for financial reasons. Cleveland gave us a first just to take on Varajeo or however you spell it. We handed Brooklyn Crabbe for nothing but financial relief.

CLE gave us, what, the 29th pick? Big difference, as it's often thought that early 2nds are more valuable than late firsts. 2nds get attached to crap all the time - mid-firsts though?
We got rid of Crabbe for purely financial reasons - yes. What we didn't do is attach a pick to compound that mistake.
If you can find examples of teams giving away mid-firsts for nothing, more power to ya! I just doubt many examples exist.

 

[blue9]

It seems like now would be a good time to buy-low on Derozan, especially given how close he and Dame are. His length over CJ may make us more versatile on offense, and it would be nice to have another source of easy buckets in a good that can get to the cup, IF we had another shooter in the lineup.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y95n592e

I think we'd need to find a way to get another shooter or offload ET to make this work, but it could be interesting. It probably helps Cleveland regardless of whether Lebron stays.

CJ to Cleveland
Love to Toronto
Derozan to Portland

Or an expansion of it if Toronto really wants to blow it up (I'm sure they'd want a pick though, and I don't think what Cleveland gets makes it worthwhile for them to give up the #8 this year)

CJ to Cleveland
Love/Turner to Toronto (and some sort of future picks)
Derozan/Ibaka to Portland

How exactly is DeRozan better than CJ? That would be the very definition of lateral move. And he's older and I believe more expensive, too.

 

[Scalma]

CLE gave us, what, the 29th pick? Big difference, as it's often thought that early 2nds are more valuable than late firsts. 2nds get attached to crap all the time - mid-firsts though?
We got rid of Crabbe for purely financial reasons - yes. What we didn't do is attach a pick to compound that mistake.
If you can find examples of teams giving away mid-firsts for nothing, more power to ya! I just doubt many examples exist.

It was an unprotected first that turned out to be the 29th pick. Actually it was originally an unprotected 2018 pick.

Toronto dumped demarr carrol, a first, and a second on Brooklyn for nothing in return but financial relief.

And now more than ever teams will be looking to dump money. Not saying Portland will be involved but I’d be surprised if we didn’t see more firsts getting packaged to get out of a shit contract, with nothing else going the other way.

 

[Scalma]

Another scenario: we package our pick with one of our shit contracts (Evan or Meyers.) We could still buy a second rounder if we wanted to get a prospect and we’d even have the TPE if we really wanted to get back into the first. I’m not really for this scenario though.

 

[BonesJones]

14 and Faried for 24 worth it for both teams...?

 

[Scalma]

So something like Meyers and our pick to a rebuilding team with cap space (Brooklyn? Chicago? Whatever)

Then the TPE for someone like Lee.

So we essentially swap Leonard’s contract with Lees. A useless piece for a useful one. And we’d still have the MLE to play with.

 

[CupWizier]

CLE gave us, what, the 29th pick? Big difference, as it's often thought that early 2nds are more valuable than late firsts. 2nds get attached to crap all the time - mid-firsts though?
We got rid of Crabbe for purely financial reasons - yes. What we didn't do is attach a pick to compound that mistake.
If you can find examples of teams giving away mid-firsts for nothing, more power to ya! I just doubt many examples exist.

As a good comparison, Brooklyn took on Demarre Carroll (a player that is comparable to Faried) and they got the 29th pick and the 59th pick in the draft. and at the time Carroll had 2 years on his deal and Brooklyn was also able to off load Hamilton to Toronto.

 

[BonesJones]

They're not getting that pick straight up. But trading up is definitely a possibility.

 

[BonesJones]

MIL Gets: Aminu, 2019 POR 1st
DEN Gets: 24th Pick
POR Gets: 9th Pick, Lee (TPE) Dellavedova,
NYK Gets: 14th Pick, 17th Pick, Faried

Who says no?

 

[Scalma]

Oh man how about this dream scenario

Our pick and Meyers to a rebuilding team with cap space

TPE to Denver for Faried and the 14th pick.

Imagine picking up the 14th pick AND dumping Leonard’s contract on the same day I’d pass out.

 

[CupWizier]

For them it's the difference between being over the cap and close to the luxury tax line if they use the MLE or under the cap. I guess it just depends on how much they value getting a little cap space.

With Faried being an expiring contract it has some value so attaching a lottery pick is a big cost to move that contract before the draft. I showed above what Toronto gave up to get rid of Carroll which was considerably less than what you guys are expecting Denver to give up for an expiring contract. Would you do it if you were Denver?

 

[Scalma]

With Faried being an expiring contract it has some value so attaching a lottery pick is a big cost to move that contract before the draft. I showed above what Toronto gave up to get rid of Carroll which was considerably less than what you guys are expecting Denver to give up for an expiring contract. Would you do it if you were Denver?

We’re just going by what Woj reported, it’s not our fantasy.

And like I mentioned before, nuggets don’t have space for another rookie. They have enough young players buried.

 

[lamlor]

Not a trade idea, but a guy I would love to have because this team needs real toughness:

P.J. Tucker played in Game 7 after three root canals.

He did not even tell his teammates before he played 42 minutes, scoring eight points with nine rebounds and two 3-pointers. Tucker turned out to be a wonderful pickup for the Rockets this year and he has three more years left on his deal.

 

[Scalma]

Not a trade idea, but a guy I would love to have because this team needs real toughness:

P.J. Tucker played in Game 7 after three root canals.

He did not even tell his teammates before he played 42 minutes, scoring eight points with nine rebounds and two 3-pointers. Tucker turned out to be a wonderful pickup for the Rockets this year and he has three more years left on his deal.

We could definitely use a junkyard dog type of player. Someone like Ed but with more versatility. If we’re looking at second rounders, someone like Justin Jackson from Maryland.

 

[hoopsjock]

The more I think about it, the more ridiculous it is to think DEN would part with their pick in order to get rid of Faried.
Personally, I think WE'D be stupid to attach a 1st rounder to get rid of Turner or Meyers, so it'd be beyond stupid for DEN to attach a better pick to a (slightly) better player on an expiring contract.

Yup, that is why you have to take advantage of stupid teams. It would be stupid for the Nets to trade a 1st round pick that is only protected 3 spots for Gerald Wallace, or 47 1st round picks for an aging Pierce and Garnett but they did both of those things. Just last summer both the Clippers and the Raptors attached 1st round picks for other teams to take on contracts. Teams do stupid shit all the time.

I will say though that us trading Leonard and the 24th pick doesn't really do much for us unless we were trying to avoid the tax again. However, in Denver's case it does actually put them under the cap. I don't think that is significant enough but you never know what other teams are thinking.