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BonesJones said:
MIL Gets: Aminu, 2019 POR 1st
DEN Gets: 24th Pick
POR Gets: 9th Pick, Lee (TPE) Dellavedova,
NYK Gets: 14th Pick, 17th Pick, Faried

Who says no?
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NY does, but the Bucks have to have a pick in 2018 or 2019 so the pick we gave them would have to be unprotected for it to work.
 
CupWizier said:
As a good comparison, Brooklyn took on Demarre Carroll (a player that is comparable to Faried) and they got the 29th pick and the 59th pick in the draft. and at the time Carroll had 2 years on his deal and Brooklyn was also able to off load Hamilton to Toronto.
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BUT that pick could have been as high as #15 because it was only lottery protected.
 
hoopsjock said:
Yup, that is why you have to take advantage of stupid teams. It would be stupid for the Nets to trade a 1st round pick that is only protected 3 spots for Gerald Wallace, or 47 1st round picks for an aging Pierce and Garnett but they did both of those things. Just last summer both the Clippers and the Raptors attached 1st round picks for other teams to take on contracts. Teams do stupid shit all the time.

I will say though that us trading Leonard and the 24th pick doesn't really do much for us unless we were trying to avoid the tax again. However, in Denver's case it does actually put them under the cap. I don't think that is significant enough but you never know what other teams are thinking.
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The Leonard/24 trade wouldn’t really be about the tax, it would be more so about better use of the money they are spending. I mean if I’m Paul Allen I’d much rather pay tax on a Courtney Lee and a season of Faried than a Meyers Leonard for two seasons.
 
CupWizier said:
With Faried being an expiring contract it has some value so attaching a lottery pick is a big cost to move that contract before the draft. I showed above what Toronto gave up to get rid of Carroll which was considerably less than what you guys are expecting Denver to give up for an expiring contract. Would you do it if you were Denver?
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Hell no I wouldn't do that if I was Denver, but that doesn't mean they won't.
 
Scalma said:
The Leonard/24 trade wouldn’t really be about the tax, it would be more so about better use of the money they are spending. I mean if I’m Paul Allen I’d much rather pay tax on a Courtney Lee and a season of Faried than a Meyers Leonard for two seasons.
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I just don't think any team is going to use up cap space before free agency for Leonard and #24. It's different for us because we don't have cap space. I think it would be more realistic to attach a 2019 pick at the deadline with him to a team that could absorb him. The tax doesn't matter until the final day of the regular season (which basically means the trade deadline) so we'd have until February to figure something out in terms of reducing the tax bill.
 
hoopsjock said:
BUT that pick could have been as high as #15 because it was only lottery protected.
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Coulda's really don't count as it was very obvious that Toronto was going to be one of the best in the east. Sure things can happen, but the odds were on Toronto's favor that it wouldn't be. In the case of Denver we know it is a lottery pick.
 
Scalma said:
We’re just going by what Woj reported, it’s not our fantasy.

And like I mentioned before, nuggets don’t have space for another rookie. They have enough young players buried.
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and if that's the case, you don't think they could package the two for a solid player of need rather than just getting some cap relief they would have at the end of the season anyway?
 
blue9 said:
The more I think about it, the more ridiculous it is to think DEN would part with their pick in order to get rid of Faried.
Personally, I think WE'D be stupid to attach a 1st rounder to get rid of Turner or Meyers, so it'd be beyond stupid for DEN to attach a better pick to a (slightly) better player on an expiring contract.
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I agree with you, but FWIW, Faried has been a locker room distraction - he thinks he should be playing MUCH more than he is.
 
hoopsjock said:
I just don't think any team is going to use up cap space before free agency for Leonard and #24. It's different for us because we don't have cap space. I think it would be more realistic to attach a 2019 pick at the deadline with him to a team that could absorb him. The tax doesn't matter until the final day of the regular season (which basically means the trade deadline) so we'd have until February to figure something out in terms of reducing the tax bill.
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A rebuilding team with no motivation to be active in free agency would be best served using their cap space to gather cheap, long term assets, aka draft picks. The hawks and bulls are just two teams off the top of my head but I’m sure there are others. Leonard is perfect for these teams because his contract will also come off the books long before they’re expected to compete. He’s also young enough to where it doesn’t necessarily have to be a pure salary dump.
 
hoopsjock said:
Yup, that is why you have to take advantage of stupid teams. It would be stupid for the Nets to trade a 1st round pick that is only protected 3 spots for Gerald Wallace, or 47 1st round picks for an aging Pierce and Garnett but they did both of those things. Just last summer both the Clippers and the Raptors attached 1st round picks for other teams to take on contracts. Teams do stupid shit all the time.

I will say though that us trading Leonard and the 24th pick doesn't really do much for us unless we were trying to avoid the tax again. However, in Denver's case it does actually put them under the cap. I don't think that is significant enough but you never know what other teams are thinking.
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Unfortunately Billy King is no longer and likely never will be a GM again, lol. The Raptors deal was getting rid of Carroll and only giving up the 29th and 59th pick plus taking back a player owed 3 mil. I just don't see lottery picks being that easily obtained. I do realize that stupid trades do happen but I think we need to approach these deals in a more realistic scenario rather than a miracle type deal that has a high probability of not happening. I feel the same way when I see multiple players, picks and 3 or 4 teams involved type deals. History shows those type of deals are very difficult to put together as the more players and teams only creates a strong possibility of a deal falling through.
 
CupWizier said:
Unfortunately Billy King is no longer and likely never will be a GM again, lol. The Raptors deal was getting rid of Carroll and only giving up the 29th and 59th pick plus taking back a player owed 3 mil. I just don't see lottery picks being that easily obtained. I do realize that stupid trades do happen but I think we need to approach these deals in a more realistic scenario rather than a miracle type deal that has a high probability of not happening. I feel the same way when I see multiple players, picks and 3 or 4 teams involved type deals. History shows those type of deals are very difficult to put together as the more players and teams only creates a strong possibility of a deal falling through.
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Cup, we are discussing a trade that was mentioned by the most trusted man in all of sports when it comes to information. It's not like we are just making this up.
 
CupWizier said:
and if that's the case, you don't think they could package the two for a solid player of need rather than just getting some cap relief they would have at the end of the season anyway?
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No. It would’ve happened already. They’ve been trying to dump Faried.
 
hoopsjock said:
NY does, but the Bucks have to have a pick in 2018 or 2019 so the pick we gave them would have to be unprotected for it to work.
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MIL Gets: #30, Aminu, Future POR 2nd(s)
DEN Gets: #24
POR Gets: #9, Lee*, Dellavedova,
NYK Gets: #14, #17, Faried
ATL Gets: 2019 POR 1st
 
Scalma said:
A rebuilding team with no motivation to be active in free agency would be best served using their cap space to gather cheap, long term assets, aka draft picks. The hawks and bulls are just two teams off the top of my head but I’m sure there are others. Leonard is perfect for these teams because his contract will also come off the books long before they’re expected to compete. He’s also young enough to where it doesn’t necessarily have to be a pure salary dump.
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Well the Hawks have picks 3, 19, 30, and 34 already plus Miles Plumlee on a bad contract plus they don't have the cap space to make a trade before the free agency period starts so I doubt they would be interested.

The Bulls have just enough cap space but they have picks 7 and 22 already and just acquired Asik so having another center with a bad contract isn't likely for them and they also would ruin part of their cap space this summer.
 
BonesJones said:
MIL Gets: #30, Aminu, Future POR 2nd(s)
DEN Gets: #24
POR Gets: #9, Lee*, Dellavedova,
NYK Gets: #14, #17, Faried
ATL Gets: 2019 POR 1st
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I still don't think NY says yes. They are moving down and giving up the best player.
 
CupWizier said:
Coulda's really don't count as it was very obvious that Toronto was going to be one of the best in the east. Sure things can happen, but the odds were on Toronto's favor that it wouldn't be. In the case of Denver we know it is a lottery pick.
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Um it's not a "coulda" it's what was ACTUALLY traded. They traded a lottery protected 1st round pick. If we are playing the "coulda" game then they could've very easily finished behind several teams heading into the season like the Cavs, Celtics, Bucks, Warriors, Thunder, etc. It wasn't anywhere close to a guarantee that the pick would be late 20's. That is using hindsight bias.
 
Scalma said:
A rebuilding team with no motivation to be active in free agency would be best served using their cap space to gather cheap, long term assets, aka draft picks. The hawks and bulls are just two teams off the top of my head but I’m sure there are others. Leonard is perfect for these teams because his contract will also come off the books long before they’re expected to compete. He’s also young enough to where it doesn’t necessarily have to be a pure salary dump.
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Dallas might do it but then again they always think this will be the summer they get a big free agent so who knows if they'd sacrifice cap space.
 
hoopsjock said:
Well the Hawks have picks 3, 19, 30, and 34 already plus Miles Plumlee on a bad contract plus they don't have the cap space to make a trade before the free agency period starts so I doubt they would be interested.

The Bulls have just enough cap space but they have picks 7 and 22 already and just acquired Asik so having another center with a bad contract isn't likely for them and they also would ruin part of their cap space this summer.
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I just threw two teams out there, I didn’t dive that deep. Point still stands.
 
Scalma said:
I just threw two teams out there, I didn’t dive that deep. Point still stands.
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This summer is different than any summer in recent memory. There are very few teams with cap space. Those that do aren't likely to use that space on Leonard and #24. It only takes one team though I guess.
 
hoopsjock said:
I still don't think NY says yes. They are moving down and giving up the best player.
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Ehh, they save $12M in 19-20 (The last year of Lee's deal) and with Porzingas out they could use a PF next year. I think the Faried for Lee swap actually makes more sense for them.

11 for 15 and 19 has been done in the past. 9 for 14 and 17 is certainly reasonable. For a 5 team trade, that's about as realistic as it could get.
 
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hoopsjock said:
This summer is different than any summer in recent memory. There are very few teams with cap space. Those that do aren't likely to use that space on Leonard and #24. It only takes one team though I guess.
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Aren’t trades not allowed to officially be announced until the new year begins anyway? What’s the point of the trade deadline if they were?
 
hoopsjock said:
Cup, we are discussing a trade that was mentioned by the most trusted man in all of sports when it comes to information. It's not like we are just making this up.
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I understand that as I read the whole article but not convinced that's what will happen and just offering up my opinion. Wojo also didn't say that it was a deal even being discussed as he was basing it off that Denver has been trying to move Faried for around a year and a half and was just tossing out that the pick might be in play but nothing he suggested says Denver is willing to do that at this stage. Best case scenario I see is that it might be a future first with lottery protection.
 
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