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tester551 said:
I can't see either Philly or Detroit doing those deals. Not even close.

It will take CJ + 1st to even sniff Blake alone.
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Perhaps. But I think Blake's contract will make the price significantly less. Expirings plus picks/prospects is what I think Blake will go for. We'd probably have to include Collins or Simons instead of Biggie. And a pick was implied.

No idea about PHI. I haven't been paying attention, but last I heard they were having issues with Jimmy. And with him being a FA, getting CJ for him would be a HELL of a deal for them IMO.
 
without picking one way of the other about Portland trading for Griffin, unless the Pistons are really looking to dump Blake (are they?), the price would be more than CJ for sure. Try CJ + Zach + a 1st. Yeah I know, people are going to squawk about paying that much for an injury prone big, but this notion that the Blazers need to 'pritchslap' another team's GM into a no-brainer situation for Portland is what could be behind the Blazer inertia.

Gotta give to get, and frankly, that CJ + Zach + a 1st package isn't some really great bucket of assets. It would sting, but the only way that could be close to leveraging a player like Griffin is because of Griffin's health concerns. If he was durable, it would take Dame to get him
 
I doubt Pistons will want to give up on Griffin already. They invested too much into getting him to go back now, they will likely want to wait until the end of this season and then see what moves they can make in the offseason before pulling the plug. If they can get a top 10 pick in the draft, sign someone decent in free agency on MLE and flip expiring Reggie Jackson for someone who fits their rotation more you could be looking at a completely different outlook for them. The issue is their roster doesn’t have anything outside Blake and Drummond now.
 
wizenheimer said:
without picking one way of the other about Portland trading for Griffin, unless the Pistons are really looking to dump Blake (are they?), the price would be more than CJ for sure. Try CJ + Zach + a 1st. Yeah I know, people are going to squawk about paying that much for an injury prone big, but this notion that the Blazers need to 'pritchslap' another team's GM into a no-brainer situation for Portland is what could be behind the Blazer inertia.

Gotta give to get, and frankly, that CJ + Zach + a 1st package isn't some really great bucket of assets. It would sting, but the only way that could be close to leveraging a player like Griffin is because of Griffin's health concerns. If he was durable, it would take Dame to get him
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It's not JUST that he's injury prone. He's also got a 110 mil contract over the next 3 yrs. For a team that is barely bringing in fans to their new arena every night, that is a problem. That team is going nowhere with this core, and they have no real long term prospects either.
 
https://fadeawayworld.net/2019/01/1...illing-to-trade-first-round-pick-at-deadline/

Portland, too, would be willing to part with its first-rounder to add depth to a roster that badly needs help in the backcourt and on the wing. The Trail Blazers could be a player for Ross or Jonathan Simmons, too. But sources tell SN that they have expressed interest in another player expected to be made available for a first-round pick: Atlanta point guard Jeremy Lin.

It’s clear that Portland hasn’t yet given up on their Dame/McCollum tandem. They’re going all in.
 
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BigGameDamian said:
https://fadeawayworld.net/2019/01/1...illing-to-trade-first-round-pick-at-deadline/

Portland, too, would be willing to part with its first-rounder to add depth to a roster that badly needs help in the backcourt and on the wing. The Trail Blazers could be a player for Ross or Jonathan Simmons, too. But sources tell SN that they have expressed interest in another player expected to be made available for a first-round pick: Atlanta point guard Jeremy Lin.

It’s clear that Portland hasn’t yet given up on their Dame/McCollum tandem. They’re going all in.
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Lin doesn't put us over the top and he isn't worth 1st round pick.
 
BigGameDamian said:
https://fadeawayworld.net/2019/01/1...illing-to-trade-first-round-pick-at-deadline/

Portland, too, would be willing to part with its first-rounder to add depth to a roster that badly needs help in the backcourt and on the wing. The Trail Blazers could be a player for Ross or Jonathan Simmons, too. But sources tell SN that they have expressed interest in another player expected to be made available for a first-round pick: Atlanta point guard Jeremy Lin.

It’s clear that Portland hasn’t yet given up on their Dame/McCollum tandem. They’re going all in.
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ok now....Portland has 8 guards (counting Turner) and they have combined salaries of nearly 80M. Why the hell would Portland need help in the back court? I mean, if that was the case, somebody fucked up big time....I wonder who it was
 
Zach Lowe on Simmons' podcast this morning said that "Portland will be very aggressive at the deadline this year."

They floated around a Marc Gasol to PDX idea before realizing that Nurk is much better. They both then said we'll make moves but not for a center. They also cited how inconsistent Aminu is and Harkless' injury concerns.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Zach Lowe on Simmons' podcast this morning said that "Portland will be very aggressive at the deadline this year."

They floated around a Marc Gasol to PDX idea before realizing that Nurk is much better. They both then said we'll make moves but not for a center. They also cited how inconsistent Aminu is and Harkless' injury concerns.
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I'll believe it when I see it!​
 
Lin and Ross aren't worth first round picks but they would improve the team. Lin and Prince combined are worth a first round pick for sure though.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
All together now:

I'll believe it when I see it!​
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I’ve been hearing Portland is going to be aggressive at the deadline for like two three years straight now. I remember couple years ago Stein said they’d be THE most active, then nothing significant happened, as usual.

Prince is the most realistic option because it probably won’t take a rotation player to get him. I’d be willing to bet that deal is there if we give up our pick.
 
Scalma said:
I’ve been hearing Portland is going to be aggressive at the deadline for like two three years straight now. I remember couple years ago Stein said they’d be THE most active, then nothing significant happened, as usual.

Prince is the most realistic option because it probably won’t take a rotation player to get him. I’d be willing to bet that deal is there if we give up our pick.
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Yeah I feel like nothing's gonna happen. To many seasons in a row.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Zach Lowe on Simmons' podcast this morning said that "Portland will be very aggressive at the deadline this year."

They floated around a Marc Gasol to PDX idea before realizing that Nurk is much better. They both then said we'll make moves but not for a center. They also cited how inconsistent Aminu is and Harkless' injury concerns.
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I doubt Lowe's thoughts are based off anything from an actual source.
 
BonesJones said:
I doubt Lowe's thoughts are based off anything from an actual source.
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That's how I read it. I mean, if the first thing they talk about is Marc Gasol, and then quickly move off it after they realize that they had forgotten about Nurk, it suggests that they're just speculating with no basis in fact.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Zach Lowe on Simmons' podcast this morning said that "Portland will be very aggressive at the deadline this year."
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haven't we heard that before every trade deadline in the Olshey era. I mean, every single time, some reporter comes out and says Portland is being aggressive. Maybe this year will be different.

it might also be that there are wildly different definitions of 'aggressive'. To me aggressive would be shopping players like CJ and Zach instead of labeling them untouchable. It would be using 1st round picks as leverage for a much bigger trade or even as leverage for major cap relief, not just punting hard choices a year or two down the road. Aggressive would be remodeling the top end of the roster, not just tinkering with the 8 or 9 slots of the rotation

it's almost like the Blazer front office is planting stories that turn out to be nothing more than ass-covering. But that couldn't be
 
wizenheimer said:
haven't we heard that before every trade deadline in the Olshey era. I mean, every single time, some reporter comes out and says Portland is being aggressive. Maybe this year will be different.

it might also be that there are wildly different definitions of 'aggressive'. To me aggressive would be shopping players like CJ and Zach instead of labeling them untouchable. It would be using 1st round picks as leverage for a much bigger trade or even as leverage for major cap relief, not just punting hard choices a year or two down the road. Aggressive would be remodeling the top end of the roster, not just tinkering with the 8 or 9 slots of the rotation

it's almost like the Blazer front office is planting stories that turn out to be nothing more than ass-covering. But that couldn't be
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I think Olshey has stepped his game up. He figured out he doesn’t have to make any moves as long as he admits after the season is over that he probably should’ve made one. Then he goes back to doing nothing and life goes on and his yes men log onto the boards telling us to stop complaining. Because remember, were the bad guys here.
 
wizenheimer said:
it's almost like the Blazer front office is planting stories that turn out to be nothing more than ass-covering. But that couldn't be
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Olshey would NEVER do that..... :politician:

He loves the media (especially the local ones), and ALWAYS tells the truth to them.
 
Alright, jeez. We get it. It's been said before and we have to wait to see if they'll do anything this time. Was just passing on what I heard.

Man, this forum has gotten so cynical of late. A lot of that has to do with Neil/Terry/status quo.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Alright, jeez. We get it. It's been said before and we have to wait to see if they'll do anything this time. Was just passing on what I heard.

Man, this forum has gotten so cynical of late. A lot of that has to do with Neil/Terry/status quo.
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At least you get where it comes from.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Alright, jeez. We get it. It's been said before and we have to wait to see if they'll do anything this time. Was just passing on what I heard.

Man, this forum has gotten so cynical of late. A lot of that has to do with Neil/Terry/status quo.
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wut?

did you think anybody responding was gouging you for posting what Lowe said? I don't think anybody was. I think everybody recognizes the likely source and purpose for rumors like this
 
wizenheimer said:
wut?

did you think anybody responding was gouging you for posting what Lowe said? I don't think anybody was. I think everybody recognizes the likely source and purpose for rumors like this
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The perpetual cynicism is tiring. There are still people like me who get excited by rumors or hints of trades. Neil is a patronizing asshole who clearly doesn't understand this market, but there's very little else I can hope for with this team outside of a possible trade. Getting constantly told that any rumor/hint/etc is bogus is annoying. If we don't have even a bit of hope of improving this roster, there's no point in following this team.
 
Just because we don't make deals doesn't mean Olshey isn't attempting to do them. Its much better for us not to make a deal then make a crappy one just so people can feel like we are "doing" something when in reality its nothing.
 
yuyuza1 said:
The perpetual cynicism is tiring. There are still people like me who get excited by rumors or hints of trades. Neil is a patronizing asshole who clearly doesn't understand this market, but there's very little else I can hope for with this team outside of a possible trade. Getting constantly told that any rumor/hint/etc is bogus is annoying. If we don't have even a bit of hope of improving this roster, there's no point in following this team.
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what did you expect? Do you think you're the only one here who is hoping for a trade that either improves the team now or offers hope for improvement down the road? Everybody is hoping for something like that, but many have a hard time assigning any credibility to the exact same rumors we've heard before every trade deadline

this will be Olshey's 7th trade deadline. He's made two notable trades in the previous 6 seasons: one was the disaster of sending out Will Barton and a 1st for Afflalo. The other was the Nurkic trade when the primary motivation was to get out of Plumlee's RFA off-season and avoid tax exposure. And neither of the trades occurred when Portland was already over the tax line. And both happened when Paul Allen was alive

but we heard every year that Olshey was being aggressive. Every single damn year...and here we are again. We've also heard that Dame and CJ and Zach are all untouchable and it's safe to add Nurkic to that list. That really pares down trade assets when the negative value of Turner, Meyers, and Harkless are factored in. With the list of untouchable players and bad contracts, where is the options for aggression unless Olshey suddenly does something he hasn't in 7 years on the job?

I'm sorry, but the cynicism is justified and you should expect it to be expressed, even if it has been expressed before, over and over. There room for everybody...for those who want hope. And for those who want to piss & moan; I've got lots of those two and I'm a sharing kind of guy
 
ehizzy3 said:
Portland will be really agressive offering trash for good players
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The good old Houston way. Except Houston actually makes deals so I guess the only thing we have in common is the offering our trash for their best.
 
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