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You play Dort with Trent in the backcourt/second unit.

An extremely disruptive defensive combo. Dort can guard the 1, 2 and 3. He’s the exact opposite of McCollum.

Dort is a defensive specialist in the mold of an Andre Roberson.

Nas will have ample playing time next to SGA — he’s buried behind Jones/Trent/Hood for the foreseeable future.

It would be a win/win for both sides.
 
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I'm thinking hold off on any trades until we see what we have. I still think ultimately CJ needs to go so Trent can start, but I want to see how the team comes together.
 
Fez Forthright said:
You play Dort with Trent in the backcourt/second unit.

An extremely disruptive defensive combo. Dort can guard the 1, 2 and 3. He’s the exact opposite of McCollum.

Dort is a defensive specialist in the mold of an Andre Roberson.

Nas will have ample playing time next to SGA — he’s buried behind Jones/Trent/Hood for the foreseeable future.

It would be a win/win for both sides.
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We don't need second unit defensive specialists, besides Melo and Kanter all our role players have defense. I'd rather have a forward prospect with two way potential like NAS.

Neither player likely matters this year as even if they traded for Dort now he's not going to learn the system and get playing time at 21 years old. Simons is on his 3rd year here and unclear if he will have a role. Maybe NAS could fill in a couple minutes here or there if there were multiple injuries he is at least familiar with the team.

An acquisition like Dort would be if we weren't trying to win but looking to develop young players for years from now. Dame is 30, we doesn't need 21 year old marginal prospects on the 15 man roster.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Neil made it pretty clear the team is not doing any roster transactions at this time.
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yeah because they don’t wanna go into the tax. Don’t see how a trade would effect that unless they’re taking on money. Olshey has actually set himself up nicely for a trade should there be a need for one around the deadline.
 
Scalma said:
yeah because they don’t wanna go into the tax. Don’t see how a trade would effect that unless they’re taking on money. Olshey has actually set himself up nicely for a trade should there be a need for one around the deadline.
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Agreed, feels like there are pieces here that could help to facilitate a deadline deal if a good player became available. $$ to match deals in Hood, COvington, Jones. Young players in Zach, Trent, Simons, Little. Future picks is difficult, but possible with the right language.
 
Scalma said:
yeah because they don’t wanna go into the tax. Don’t see how a trade would effect that unless they’re taking on money. Olshey has actually set himself up nicely for a trade should there be a need for one around the deadline.
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Sure they could do a trade at the deadline if the rotation has room to improve. Right now there arent any known shortcomings. I was saying it sounds like the roster is set for the foreseeable future. I agree the team has tradeable pieces.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Sabonis is a good player (although not his father) but does a Sabonis-Nurkic frontcourt work in today's NBA?
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I don't think so, I don't think you're too successful with two purely post players anymore. Your 4 has to be an interior and perimeter defender. I don't see Sabonis having that kind of quickness. I do really like him but I like RoCo playing the 4 better. The thing is Sabonis is an offensive threat more than a defender and we have a great offense and hopefully just made our defense really good.

I really just want to see this squad get some run. I'm excited for the potential this roster with it's offense, defense, effort and athleticism can do. There are a lot of unknowns so if we're not living up to expectations around the trade deadline then I could see any number of moves but for now I don't see any... especially a move that pairs Sabonis with Nurk in the front court.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Sabonis is a good player (although not his father) but does a Sabonis-Nurkic frontcourt work in today's NBA?
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Not with this team. We need 3-and-D forwards, not a big who cant shoot 3s or defend on the perimeter.

Sabonis' passing would be less useful here considering he has the ball less and we have a good passing big already. Sabonis' passing also wouldnt help us with traps much.
 
Agree Sabonis doesn't make sense here with a DameCJ backcourt, or with Nurk, let alone both.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Posting is in no way an endorsement

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Don't even think I want Harden for CJ straight up. Yes talent wise and accolades Harden is vastly superior. Four reasons;



First its soo horrible watching him play "basketball" or should I call it running into guys to bait refs for free throws.

Second he's a guy I just don't want to root for personally with him making it rain in strip clubs in Vegas, not the type of PR I want for my favorite team. Compare to Dame or CJ who are great off the court, Nurk is a funny likeable character.

Thirdly his beard. I don't fear it I just think it looks stupid.

Fourthly in the summer he would be on an expiring deal and we'd have to worry about trading him before he leaves for nothing.



Obviously Houston would want a huge package of picks or other assets besides just CJ. So I say fuck NO to Mr NO on acquiring Harden.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Don't even think I want Harden for CJ straight up. Yes talent wise and accolades Harden is vastly superior. Four reasons;



First its soo horrible watching him play "basketball" or should I call it running into guys to bait refs for free throws.

Second he's a guy I just don't want to root for personally with him making it rain in strip clubs in Vegas, not the type of PR I want for my favorite team. Compare to Dame or CJ who are great off the court, Nurk is a funny likeable character.

Thirdly his beard. I don't fear it I just think it looks stupid.

Fourthly in the summer he would be on an expiring deal and we'd have to worry about trading him before he leaves for nothing.



Obviously Houston would want a huge package of picks or other assets besides just CJ. So I say fuck NO to Mr NO on acquiring Harden.
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Most of your reasons have nothing to do with actual basketball. Harden would be a clear upgrade as he's one of the greatest offensive players to play the game. If he can be had for CJ and spare parts, you do it. Same with Paul George.

We'd have a real shot at being a championship team with Harden filling in for CJ at the 2 spot. I also believe Dame could get his focus right.
 
AmirIcon said:
Most of your reasons have nothing to do with actual basketball. Harden would be a clear upgrade as he's one of the greatest offensive players to play the game. If he can be had for CJ and spare parts, you do it. Same with Paul George.

We'd have a real shot at being a championship team with Harden filling in for CJ at the 2 spot. I also believe Dame could get his focus right.
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Agreed. I'm hearing a lot of small market thinking here....
 
I’d do CJ, Collins, GTJ, 1st for him and I don’t even like Harden BUT...

Dame
Harden
DJJ
Covington
Nurk

Ant
Hood
Melo
Giles
Kanter
Nas

Is probably a 2 seed
 
Ideas from BR, posted for entertainment only. No evidence either proposal has actually been discussed by the teams.

1) Collins and Little to the Cavs for Nance Jr.
2) Simons to the Knicks for Alec Burkes and a 2021 2nd rd pick.
 
Would you trade Zach + Elleby for PJ Tucker?

Alternatively, what good backup PG/SG could we get by trading Zach/Ant? I would love to get a good playmaker/defender to play with both CJ/Dame when theyre staggered.
 
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perkinsfor3 said:
Would you trade Zach + Elleby for PJ Tucker?

Alternatively, what good backup PG/SG could we get by trading Zach/Ant? I would love to get a good playmaker/defender to play with both CJ/Dame when theyre staggered.
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No, why do we need PJ Tucker this season? He would've been great last year but now we have about 11 players his caliber or better.
 
perkinsfor3 said:
Would you trade Zach + Elleby for PJ Tucker?

Alternatively, what good backup PG/SG could we get by trading Zach/Ant? I would love to get a good playmaker/defender to play with both CJ/Dame when theyre staggered.
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No and no

Tucker is too old, going to be 36 and poor advanced stats. I prefer all our bigs.

CJ and Ant are the backup PGs. Better player wouldn't be happy with a low minute role. I prefer we play our wings.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
CJ and Ant are the backup PGs. Better player wouldn't be happy with a low minute role. I prefer we play our wings.
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it’s always funny when this gets thrown out there, even by Olshey; as if the idea of CJ (and to a lesser extent Dame) playing fewer minutes isn’t even an option. Playing 37-38 minutes a night is not normal, and shouldn’t be any sort of long term “formula”

If you cut Dames minutes to say around 34-35 and took CJ off the ball completely with the second unit, you’d be able to give an actual point guard a real role. Dame doesn’t need to, or even want to be, on the ball every single minute he’s on the court either.
 
Yeah I think that was a problem the last few seasons. Teams start trapping and doubling Dame early and either way, by the timr we reach the post season, hes exhausted. Having Nurk as a post playmaker helps, and I love Giles playmaking upside, but all the other additions all are extreme examples of players who need to be created for (Kanter, DJJ and Cov). Its also a reason why I was interested in bringing in a guy like Dunn or Rondo, who coulf play next to either Dame or CJ and lock up opposing guards.
 
Scalma said:
it’s always funny when this gets thrown out there, even by Olshey; as if the idea of CJ (and to a lesser extent Dame) playing fewer minutes isn’t even an option. Playing 37-38 minutes a night is not normal, and shouldn’t be any sort of long term “formula”

If you cut Dames minutes to say around 34-35 and took CJ off the ball completely with the second unit, you’d be able to give an actual point guard a real role. Dame doesn’t need to, or even want to be, on the ball every single minute he’s on the court either.
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yeah, it's not some major puzzle to figure out minutes

cut Dame's minutes by 3; CJ's by 5. There's 8 minutes right there. Simons played 21 minutes/game last year. If you had a backup PG like Rondo or George Hill, Simons should just get locked on the bench. You now have 25-28 minutes a game for a good backup PG

obviously it's not going to happen but the notion that a PG of the caliber of Rondo or Hill couldn't find minutes is loony
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah, it's not some major puzzle to figure out minutes

cut Dame's minutes by 3; CJ's by 5. There's 8 minutes right there. Simons played 21 minutes/game last year. If you had a backup PG like Rondo or George Hill, Simons should just get locked on the bench. You now have 25-28 minutes a game for a good backup PG

obviously it's not going to happen but the notion that a PG of the caliber of Rondo or Hill couldn't find minutes is loony
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So Dame at 35. CJ at 32. Hill at 27. That's, essentially, ALL of the minutes at the 1 and 2. Leaves 2 minutes for Trent at the 2.

Covington 31 minutes at the 4, and let's say DJJ gets 28 at SF. That's 39 minutes for Hood, Trent, Carmelo. Trent got 21 a game last year, and deserves at least that this season. So 18 minutes for Hood, Carmelo, Collins and Giles.

I'd prefer versatile wing rotation getting heavier minutes than adding someone like Hill who really isn't much more of a distributor than CJ is. He's a PG you play alongside a playmaking other guard or wing.

I just don't see the huge need and desire for the backup PG a lot of others do, I suppose.
 
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