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PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS

Speaking of Lillard, the Blazers have their own trade stuff to sort through. Their superstar wants help, and Siakam certainly could fit as a second option.

The easy piece to send out from the Blazers' side would be CJ McCollum, a bonafide three-level scorer who probably profiles a little better as a number-one option than Siakam does. The issue: factoring in defense (and age, for that matter), McCollum is not more valuable than Siakam is.

The Blazers would need to throw in more, and that's where it gets a little tough. Aside from this year's draft, the Blazers have all of their first-round picks moving forward. Two of them plus a swap could intrigue the Raptors.

Would two of the Anfernee Simons/Nassir Little/Derrick Jones Jr. triumvirate be enough? Would the Blazers even be willing to include Simons at all if they're giving up McCollum and pick capital? It's a tough needle to thread, but it would behoove the Blazers to at least try to thread it.
https://www.basketballnews.com/stor...of-pascal-siakam-what-he-is-and-where-he-fits
 
Scalma said:
PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS

Speaking of Lillard, the Blazers have their own trade stuff to sort through. Their superstar wants help, and Siakam certainly could fit as a second option.

The easy piece to send out from the Blazers' side would be CJ McCollum, a bonafide three-level scorer who probably profiles a little better as a number-one option than Siakam does. The issue: factoring in defense (and age, for that matter), McCollum is not more valuable than Siakam is.

The Blazers would need to throw in more, and that's where it gets a little tough. Aside from this year's draft, the Blazers have all of their first-round picks moving forward. Two of them plus a swap could intrigue the Raptors.

Would two of the Anfernee Simons/Nassir Little/Derrick Jones Jr. triumvirate be enough? Would the Blazers even be willing to include Simons at all if they're giving up McCollum and pick capital? It's a tough needle to thread, but it would behoove the Blazers to at least try to thread it.
https://www.basketballnews.com/stor...of-pascal-siakam-what-he-is-and-where-he-fits
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We need to get rid of CJ in any deal. Because that back court of Lillard and CJ will never be contenders. Trade CJ, slide Powell over the 2 and find another solid star/borderline star. Get a proven back up PG and hope that Simons/Little make a leap.
 
Scalma said:
PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS

Speaking of Lillard, the Blazers have their own trade stuff to sort through. Their superstar wants help, and Siakam certainly could fit as a second option.

The easy piece to send out from the Blazers' side would be CJ McCollum, a bonafide three-level scorer who probably profiles a little better as a number-one option than Siakam does. The issue: factoring in defense (and age, for that matter), McCollum is not more valuable than Siakam is.

The Blazers would need to throw in more, and that's where it gets a little tough. Aside from this year's draft, the Blazers have all of their first-round picks moving forward. Two of them plus a swap could intrigue the Raptors.

Would two of the Anfernee Simons/Nassir Little/Derrick Jones Jr. triumvirate be enough? Would the Blazers even be willing to include Simons at all if they're giving up McCollum and pick capital? It's a tough needle to thread, but it would behoove the Blazers to at least try to thread it.
https://www.basketballnews.com/stor...of-pascal-siakam-what-he-is-and-where-he-fits
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Would Toronto want an epically small back court in Van Vleet and CJ?

I think Ujuri is smarter than that.
 
MickZagger said:
We need to get rid of CJ in any deal. Because that back court of Lillard and CJ will never be contenders. Trade CJ, slide Powell over the 2 and find another solid star/borderline star. Get a proven back up PG and hope that Simons/Little make a leap.
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Gotta give up Simons/Little in the deal if you want a needle mover.
 
I look at CJ and Jerami Grants value as similar, with CJ being a little more valuable. But Detroit doesn’t need him. So we gotta find a third team that wants CJ and has picks/expirings to offer and re route those to the Pistons.
 
Expect the Siakam talks to get more serious once Powell signs.

Also, there's now a couple teams that have over 30M capspace that are trying to sign Lowry. I think a hold up in the Siakam-CJ framework is finding that 3rd team to route McCollum to. Both Dallas and New Orleans would have significant interest in CJ if they lost out on Lowry I would think.
 
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raps could keep mccollum, they need a guard (if they trade lowry) to pair with vanvleet

or if theyre not looking to compete right know, they will trade vanvleet (27) too
 
Mr. Robot said:
raps could keep mccollum, they need a guard (if they trade lowry) to pair with vanvleet

or if theyre not looking to compete right know, they will trade vanvleet (27) too
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They have Gary Trent Jr.
 
B-Roy said:
They have Gary Trent Jr.
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yes, they have him, but do they view him as a starting guard

from what ive read, raps fans arent high on him, they see him like 6th man and wouldnt pay him more than $17 mil and they think hes not worth more than $15 mil
 
Mr. Robot said:
yes, they have him, but do they view him as a starting guard

from what ive read, raps fans arent high on him, they see him like 6th man and wouldnt pay him more than $17 mil and they think hes not worth more than $15 mil
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I would think they want him to be a starter if they're going to pay him 15M+. You don't pay that much for a backup.

But it would be quite funny for GTJ to get traded into a starting role, only to end up back behind CJ after a year.
 
B-Roy said:
I would think they want him to be a starter if they're going to pay him 15M+. You don't pay that much for a backup.

But it would be quite funny for GTJ to get traded into a starting role, only to end up back behind CJ after a year.
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to be fair, gtj wouldnt start almost every game had both vanvleet and lowry played
 
hopefully we send mccollum elsewhere, whether is a two or a three team trade

bringing in a quality foward for a better fit and having powell moved to shooting guard, should drastically improve our team and then you hope nurk will take a leap under billups

thats a dream case scenario and hopefully my guy neil olshey works his magic
 
ok then...CJ for Siakam

* how much more than CJ would you want Portland to pay in terms of draft picks? 1 first? two firsts? one first, one swap? more?

* and if part of the price was one of Simons/Little, instead of a pick...which one of those would you want to keep over the other?

* finally, would you add an extra first to trade Olshey for Ujiri?

edit: just had a thought, could the Toronto/PDX discussions be, in part, a tactic for Olshey to try and force Morey to shit or get off the pot on Simmons?

and with that thought: who would you rather have Simmons or Siakam?

Dame-Powell-RoCo-Siakam-Nurkic...does look intriguing...is it a contender?
 
Fischer and Stein on substack just said:

Lillard is not getting traded anytime soon. Neither side wants out.

Philly would EMPHATICALLY reject any CJ for Simmons framework. The way they said it made it seem like they wouldn't consider it even if Dame was an impossibility.
 
wizenheimer said:
ok then...CJ for Siakam

* how much more than CJ would you want Portland to pay in terms of draft picks? 1 first? two firsts? one first, one swap? more?

* and if part of the price was one of Simons/Little, instead of a pick...which one of those would you want to keep over the other?

* finally, would you add an extra first to trade Olshey for Ujiri?

edit: just had a thought, could the Toronto/PDX discussions be, in part, a tactic for Olshey to try and force Morey to shit or get off the pot on Simmons?

and with that thought: who would you rather have Simmons or Siakam?

Dame-Powell-RoCo-Siakam-Nurkic...does look intriguing...is it a contender?
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If Siakam is healthy, Absolutely!
 
B-Roy said:
Fischer and Stein on substack just said:

Lillard is not getting traded anytime soon. Neither side wants out.

Philly would EMPHATICALLY reject any CJ for Simmons framework. The way they said it made it seem like they wouldn't consider it even if Dame was an impossibility.
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fuck Philly and fuck Simmons, go get Siakam
 
B-Roy said:
Fischer and Stein on substack just said:

Lillard is not getting traded anytime soon. Neither side wants out.

Philly would EMPHATICALLY reject any CJ for Simmons framework. The way they said it made it seem like they wouldn't consider it even if Dame was an impossibility.
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That's why the 3 team trade has to be the answer. Morey is trying to act tough. But Philly fan wants nothing to do with Simmons. Morey thinks he's gonna get this record haul in return. Ain't gonna happen. He may still trade Simmons to GS. Wiggins, Wiseman, and a future 1st, or one of the Warriors picks from the recent draft might be as good as it gets.
 
tykendo said:
That's why the 3 team trade has to be the answer. Morey is trying to act tough. But Philly fan wants nothing to do with Simmons. Morey thinks he's gonna get this record haul in return. Ain't gonna happen. He may still trade Simmons to GS. Wiggins, Wiseman, and a future 1st, or one of the Warriors picks from the recent draft might be as good as it gets.
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And none of those players is as dynamic an offensive threat as CJ, when he's healthy. And the way CJ is working out, i look for him to have a fantastic season. Embiid, Harris, & CJ look pretty damn good.
 
Hoopguru said:
I can see Dallas being interested in CJ.
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Could be, but again, would have to involve a 3 team trade. CJ is a better player & talent than anything Dallas has not named Doncic. No way i trade CJ for Poor Ol' Zingus.
 
If Olshey goes through this off-season without trading a single future first, how can he go to Dame with a straight face and say "We did everything possible to improve the team"? Especially when you go look at what every other contender has done in the last few years and will do this year.
 
wizenheimer said:
ok then...CJ for Siakam

* how much more than CJ would you want Portland to pay in terms of draft picks? 1 first? two firsts? one first, one swap? more?

* and if part of the price was one of Simons/Little, instead of a pick...which one of those would you want to keep over the other?

* finally, would you add an extra first to trade Olshey for Ujiri?

edit: just had a thought, could the Toronto/PDX discussions be, in part, a tactic for Olshey to try and force Morey to shit or get off the pot on Simmons?

and with that thought: who would you rather have Simmons or Siakam?

Dame-Powell-RoCo-Siakam-Nurkic...does look intriguing...is it a contender?
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I have Siakam as about equal to CJ. He's a better fit... but I'd be hesitant to throw much I to the trade.

From my perspective, the order of assets from least valuable to more valuable would be:
Simons < Little < future 1st

I really haven't seen much out of either Simons or Little to think that either will be more than journeymen players.

I most definitely would throw in an extra 1st to swap GMs.

However, getting Ben to Portland would have the highest benefit of the possible scenarios being thrown about
 
tester551 said:
I have Siakam as about equal to CJ. He's a better fit... but I'd be hesitant to throw much I to the trade.
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If you don't give the other team a reason to do the trade, why would they do it? That's my stance on any CJ deal.
 
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