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Does anyone have any concerns that OG might not be as good a defender outside of Toronto's system?

Powell seemed to look a lot worse once he left the Raptors.
 
Chris Craig said:
Again, the biggest issue with Nurk is he isn't being utilized correctly. He shouldn't be stand at the arc waiting to shoot threes. He needs to be banging inside and being a beast.

I don't know if it's Chauncey not knowing how to use him (He needs to use him Ben Wallace style...he should be familiar with that) or if it's that he is afraid of breaking his leg again or just can't beast like he used too.
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Nurk averages the 6th most post ups per game of all NBA players. He shoots 47% on those post ups, which isn't good. He's got the highest TO% of any player that posts up 3 or more times a game. He turns it over twice as often as he creates an assist. He's got the lowest pass %(times he passes out of the post) of anyone with 3 or more post ups per game.
I don't know if throwing him on the block is really what we want out of him.
 
RR7 said:
A few random ideas to throw out,

Hart and Winslow to GS for Wiseman and Kumnga?
Hart to Memphis for one of their young guys, Aldama, Ziaire Williams?
Grant to Indiana for the Boston and Cleveland '23 picks?
Grant to Sacramento for Barnes and their pick?
Grant to Dallas for future picks?
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Dallas has to give Luka something. They should be a target of Cronin.
 
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This trade idea is to give us more length. up front and a guy that can block shots, & shoot threes.

Hart for Boucher
 
Hoopguru said:
This trade idea is to give us more length. up front and a guy that can block shots, & shoot threes.

Hart for Boucher
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It seems like Boucher's season from 2 years ago is more of an outlier. Can't crack 30% shooting from 3s, and block percentage is half what it was
 
shams https://theathletic.com/4103918/2023/01/18/wizards-rui-hachimura-trade-options/

The Washington Wizards have begun trade discussions with multiple teams centered on fourth-year forward Rui Hachimura, The Athletic has learned from league sources.

Hachimura, who is set to become a restricted free agent in July, has drawn interest from several Western Conference teams in need of scoring, league sources said.

The Wizards also have received interest from multiple teams on potential deals involving star forward Kyle Kuzma, but moving Hachimura would reduce a logjam at the forward spots and place the franchise in a better position financially to focus on re-signing Kuzma and potentially re-sign Kristaps Porziņģis in the offseason. As usual ahead of the trade deadline, the Wizards are keeping their options open on several fronts, including the possibility of playing this all out in the offseason.
 
RR7 said:
It seems like Boucher's season from 2 years ago is more of an outlier. Can't crack 30% shooting from 3s, and block percentage is half what it was
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Hart I believe can walk after the season and Boucher could revive his game with Dame? Just an idea
 
Hoopguru said:
Hart I believe can walk after the season and Boucher could revive his game with Dame? Just an idea
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Yeah, I think those threes were a lot easier to make when he was being set up by Kyle Lowry.
 
Keon + Winslow for Rui works.

Gives us a legit 10-15 ppg bench scorer. Hell, we could even start him at PF, move JG down to SF and put Hart on the bench where he might thrive.
 
illmatic99 said:
dont see the warriors even thinking of doing that
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Maybe not. But I feel like they've all but given up on Wiseman, so he's salary filler for them. So mainly Kuminga for Hart, Winslow and a 2nd ultimately.
 
RR7 said:
Maybe not. But I feel like they've all but given up on Wiseman, so he's salary filler for them. So mainly Kuminga for Hart, Winslow and a 2nd ultimately.
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I actually don't see Orlando doing it either. They already have no time for all of their bigs. I think they'll send one out and I know the rumor is that they want it to be Bamba but I think they'd want a wing in return or draft considerations.

I would love that trade for us.
 
RR7 said:
Some random trade/state of team thoughts...

Barring a huge trade, like a Siakim or something, we're not title contenders this season. Buying mediocre role players with picks, the Olshey special, to fight for the 4 or 5 seed doesn't make a ton of sense to me. If the price is cheap, sure add some vet role players.

Dame can't be traded this season. Regardless of anyone clamoring for a rebuild, I'm working on the assumption that Dame will not be moved at all. That doesn't mean every deal has to be an all in win now deal. I think we'd benefit from a 1 step back to hopefully make 2 steps forward sort of deadline approach, personally.

Hart can opt out and become a free agent after the season. He likely wants a raise. Do we want to be the ones who give it to him? What's his ideal role? What contenders would trade for him?

Grant's eligible for a 4/112 extension. I think that's the extent of what I would offer him. If he gives any indication that he won't sign for that amount, I'd prefer looking to trade him as well, as opposed to losing him for nothing.

We don't have a Nurk replacement on board. When Nurk is on, he's a great piece. His inconsistency makes it difficult to know what you might get game to game, which is frustrating, and likely why him and Ant are often the team scapegoats. I don't know what teams out there would be looking for a C, but it's worth looking in to. The Dame friendship is tough to navigate, I imagine, but wouldn't be the first time we've traded away a friend of Dame's. At the end of the day, it's a business, and he knows that.

If we're floundering by the break, I think a decent option could be moving those 3 for as many assets as we could acquire, with the goal of turning those around in to a big trade in the offseason. Maybe those assets land you Siakim, or Anunoby, or the next star that wants out.
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I get the "floundering at the break" standard. It's definitely valid gauge to use (you'd get more bonus points for using 'flounder' in a Duck sports forum though...Animal House is a gift that keeps on giving)

and using the flounder-gauge doesn't mean you have to dive head first into the deep end of the pool. Just means you need to be testing the waters if for no other reason than due diligence

I would hope by now the Blazers have a good idea of what grant wants in his next deal. I haven't looked at the off-season's league wide cap-space landscape, but I would hope that the Blazers don't bid against themselves any more. That was a major problem for Olshey, and I remain unconvinced that Cronin didn't engage in that, a little, with the Ant-Nurk-GP2 deals. Grant is by far the best forward Dame has had since Aldridge; and his acquisition cost was rather significant generically (less so practically). And obviously, he's finally a player added with actual NBA length. So I would think all that would push the cap for what Portland should pay him a little higher

but yeah, if Grant is shooting real high on his next deal Portland should explore his trade value

same with Hart even though I really like what he has done for Portland this season. His hustle and rebounding has been incredible. Problem with both of those guys are their expiring contracts. IMO, that degrades their trade value

the other two guys, obviously, that might have substantial value are Ant and Nurkic. I think both have to be on the market. Not the 'must-be-traded' market that CJ, Powell, and RoCo were in last year. But the 'try-and-find-a-better-fit' market. Ant might be the best hope to add length and better fit to the roster

Nurkic is firmly in the 'why-can't-he-be-more-consistent-grass-might-be-greener' niche. I don't think Nurkic has high value around the league. His flaws are likely well known. His 3 point shooting might bump his value a little, but all those things he does poorly, comparatively, some of which you noted, depresses his value IMO. And he's a traditional C in an age when traditional C's have diminishing value. He sure didn't appear to have a lot of value going against Jokic last night. And preforming well against a C like Jokic is the main reason to give him 70M
 
RR7 said:
Nurk averages the 6th most post ups per game of all NBA players. He shoots 47% on those post ups, which isn't good. He's got the highest TO% of any player that posts up 3 or more times a game. He turns it over twice as often as he creates an assist. He's got the lowest pass %(times he passes out of the post) of anyone with 3 or more post ups per game.
I don't know if throwing him on the block is really what we want out of him.
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Well, when you say it that way...
 
That Chicago pick was like an FU from Oshley, it just keeps screwing is year after year.
 
illmatic99 said:
shams https://theathletic.com/4103918/2023/01/18/wizards-rui-hachimura-trade-options/

The Washington Wizards have begun trade discussions with multiple teams centered on fourth-year forward Rui Hachimura, The Athletic has learned from league sources.

Hachimura, who is set to become a restricted free agent in July, has drawn interest from several Western Conference teams in need of scoring, league sources said.

The Wizards also have received interest from multiple teams on potential deals involving star forward Kyle Kuzma, but moving Hachimura would reduce a logjam at the forward spots and place the franchise in a better position financially to focus on re-signing Kuzma and potentially re-sign Kristaps Porziņģis in the offseason. As usual ahead of the trade deadline, the Wizards are keeping their options open on several fronts, including the possibility of playing this all out in the offseason.
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Wizards should trade Beal, Porzingis and Kuzma. Have a fire sale and start over! There drafting sucks too!!
 
illmatic99 said:
shams https://theathletic.com/4103918/2023/01/18/wizards-rui-hachimura-trade-options/

The Washington Wizards have begun trade discussions with multiple teams centered on fourth-year forward Rui Hachimura, The Athletic has learned from league sources.

Hachimura, who is set to become a restricted free agent in July, has drawn interest from several Western Conference teams in need of scoring, league sources said.

The Wizards also have received interest from multiple teams on potential deals involving star forward Kyle Kuzma, but moving Hachimura would reduce a logjam at the forward spots and place the franchise in a better position financially to focus on re-signing Kuzma and potentially re-sign Kristaps Porziņģis in the offseason. As usual ahead of the trade deadline, the Wizards are keeping their options open on several fronts, including the possibility of playing this all out in the offseason.
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Here is what some scouts say about Hachimura:
The 6-foot-8, 230-pound forward can score. That is his clear-cut strength. Although his 11.3 points per game last season were a career low, that output stemmed from his relatively limited playing time. Per 36 minutes, he averaged 18.1 points, the highest per-36 mark of his career.

“To me,” Scout B said, “the one-word description of him is ‘scorer.’”

Hachimura piles up points in a variety of ways. He scored 1.26 points per possession completed in transition, ranking in the 77th percentile among all NBA players regardless of position, according to Synergy Sports. He scored 1.035 points per possession finished in the half court, also placing him in the 77th percentile, per Synergy. That high level of effectiveness relative to the rest of the league speaks well of his versatility on that end.
https://theathletic.com/3588660/2022/09/13/rui-hachimura-nba-scouts-evaluation/
 
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illmatic99 said:
shams https://theathletic.com/4103918/2023/01/18/wizards-rui-hachimura-trade-options/

The Washington Wizards have begun trade discussions with multiple teams centered on fourth-year forward Rui Hachimura, The Athletic has learned from league sources.

Hachimura, who is set to become a restricted free agent in July, has drawn interest from several Western Conference teams in need of scoring, league sources said.

The Wizards also have received interest from multiple teams on potential deals involving star forward Kyle Kuzma, but moving Hachimura would reduce a logjam at the forward spots and place the franchise in a better position financially to focus on re-signing Kuzma and potentially re-sign Kristaps Porziņģis in the offseason. As usual ahead of the trade deadline, the Wizards are keeping their options open on several fronts, including the possibility of playing this all out in the offseason.
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Here is why he probably won't be coming to Portland:
The scouts did not suggest that the ability to score points is inconsequential.

But in Hachimura’s case, the problem is that the rest of his game needs work — and, in some areas, significant work.

Scout B and Scout C rated Hachimura’s defense as average, at best.

Indeed, Hachimura’s defensive performance can be glaringly ineffective at times. He is perceived as a player who is not all that interested in, or focused on, defending.

“That’s fair, unfortunately,” Scout A said. “That was the area that you kind of thought maybe he had the most upside in in college, and it’s turned out to be almost the opposite, where the majority of his value is derived on the offensive end as opposed to the defensive end.”
 
I’d love Rui on this team. He has the potential to be an All Star. I’m just not sure we have what the Wizards would want for him now that he’s coming into his own.
 
MickZagger said:
I’d love Rui on this team. He has the potential to be an All Star. I’m just not sure we have what the Wizards would want for him now that he’s coming into his own.
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I don't see ANY way where he has All-Star potential. He's a fringe-starter quality player. On a good/contender level team, he's coming off the bench.

I see his potential comparable to a Larry Nance type player (not in terms of style, but more in terms of impact).
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I don't see ANY way where he has All-Star potential. He's a fringe-starter quality player. On a good/contender level team, he's coming off the bench.

I see his potential comparable to a Larry Nance type player (not in terms of style, but more in terms of impact).
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He’s 24 and putting it all together.
 
MickZagger said:
I’d love Rui on this team. He has the potential to be an All Star. I’m just not sure we have what the Wizards would want for him now that he’s coming into his own.
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Wizards have a minutes crunch. They have Kuzma who is balling out this year so far, and Avdija (#9 pick in 2020) and Kispert (#15 pick in 2021) all essentially playing the same position and role. Rui is the odd man out it seems since he is up for extension this summer.

Seems like a good buy low candidate. I suggested Keon + Winslow above. Keon gives them a chance to kick the can down the road on an extension for a recent rookie and plays a position where they are not as deep.

Freshtown said:
No, best case scenario is decent bench scorer.
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.... which is what this team is lacking.
 
BoBoBREWSKI said:
Anyone have ESPN+?

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/st...-deadline-western-conference-deal-predictions
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OneSport3 said:
This according to Bobby Marks. He doesn't foresee us doing anything impactful this trade deadline. Sigh...

Portland Trail Blazers
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Trade meter: 5

What to watch: Jerami Grant and the luxury tax

Jan. 7 signaled the first date that Grant was eligible to sign a four-year, $112.6 million extension.

Although no deal was immediately reached, Grant expressed his comfort level to remain with the Trail Blazers long term.

"I definitely like it here; love it here," Grant told Jason Quick of The Athletic. "The guys have been very welcoming, it's definitely a family environment, everybody is super cool, got good guys on the team, great organization -- [general manager] Joe [Cronin], [coach] Chauncey [Billups], everything. I'm definitely enjoying it here."

Grant has leverage not only because he is having an All-Star season but because the Trail Blazers do not have financial flexibility next season to replace him if he tests the market.

A new contract, either with an extension or via free agency this summer, likely pushes Portland into the luxury tax in 2023-24.

Speaking of the tax, does the front office have the green light to go into the tax if there is a trade that improves a bench that ranks last in points per game?

Portland is $67,482 below the threshold and would forfeit $17 million in tax distribution by going over.

Front-office trade history: Since taking over in January 2022, general manager Joe Cronin has been part of five trades, including three last February at the deadline.

Last regular-season trade: Traded for Joe Ingles, Elijah Hughes and a 2022 second-round pick (Jabari Walker) in a three-team, five-player deal. The trade helped lower Utah's tax payment by $10.9 million. A day earlier, the Trail Blazers traded CJ McCollum to New Orleans.

Trade we would like to see: Two trades. Keon Johnson to Houston for Garrison Mathews. Josh Hart to Indiana for TJ McConnell and Chris Duarte.

Trade exceptions: $6.5 million and $3.3 million

Cash available: $6.4 million (to send and receive)

Salary info and restrictions:

  • The Trail Blazers have an open roster spot but are $67,482 below the luxury tax line and $6.78 million below the hard cap.
Draft assets:

  • The Trail Blazers owe Chicago a first-round pick that has top-14 protection the next six years.

  • The earliest they can trade a first is two years after the pick is conveyed to the Bulls.

  • Portland has four second-round picks available to use in a trade.
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