Trade Ideas

[Tince]

according to a "good source" @spurstalk Portland interested in Jak. Fwiw the same source called the murray deal with atlanta. What would you think of Poetl?

As with most trades, it depends what we're giving up for him.

Hart and a 2nd round? Love it.

 

[Cugel]

As with most trades, it depends what we're giving up for him.

Hart and a 2nd round? Love it.

more like a couple frps...supposedly that is his going rate??? steep for sure

 

[RR7]

more like a couple frps...supposedly that is his going rate??? steep for sure

No chance I pay 2 1sts for him. He's an expiring, looking for 20 a year. Is he an upgrade over Nurk? Probably. Do we need to spend that steep of an asset price to upgrade Nurk ever so slightly for 40 games?

 

[Tince]

more like a couple frps...supposedly that is his going rate??? steep for sure

No thank you.

40m/year locked up at center between Nurk/Poeltl would be brutal. Then the trade we'd have to make to unload on Nurk when the entire league konws we have to, it would be two steps forward, three steps back!

 

[BigGameDamian]

more like a couple frps...supposedly that is his going rate??? steep for sure

Then Nurk and Ant for Siakam?

 

[blazerkor]

Then Nurk and Ant for Siakam?

That would be a better team but even though Poetle is a tad better fit for Chauncey's system he's still not what we need. I think Mo Bamba is more mobile than Poetle... in fact any of the bigs from Orlando would make a helluva lot more sense and I don't think Bamba would set us back a pick. I think we could get him with Keon and Nas or some shit like that. Two fucking picks?!? I mean him and Josh aren't too far apart in value in my estimation, let alone two first rounders.

 

[wizenheimer]

Portland might be interested in Peoltl. He might not be better than beast-mode Nurkic but that Nurk only shows up 2 or 3 times a month. From what I've seen Poeltl is pretty consistent and consistency might appeal to Portland a lot at the C position after the Nurkic era



I just don't see enough of an upgrade there to pay much for it in the form of assets

and if the Blazers are fucking dumb enough to spend another 1st round pick on a role player they will have proven they've learned nothing from the idiocy lesson plans Olshey left behind

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

Portland might be interested in Peoltl. He might not be better than beast-mode Nurkic but that Nurk only shows up 2 or 3 times a month. From what I've seen Poeltl is pretty consistent and consistency might appeal to Portland a lot at the C position

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I just don't see enough of an upgrade there to pay much for it in the form of assets

and if the Blazers are fucking dumb enough to spend another 1st round pick on a role player they will have proven they've learned nothing from the idiocy lessons Olshey left behind

Not that Nurk's benefit is the focus here, but playing for Pop might be the only thing that could save that mush brain.

 

[blazerkor]

Portland might be interested in Peoltl. He might not be better than beast-mode Nurkic but that Nurk only shows up 2 or 3 times a month. From what I've seen Poeltl is pretty consistent and consistency might appeal to Portland a lot at the C position

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I just don't see enough of an upgrade there to pay much for it in the form of assets

and if the Blazers are fucking dumb enough to spend another 1st round pick on a role player they will have proven they've learned nothing from the idiocy lessons Olshey left behind

If we are sending picks out that means we better be guaranteeing that we make the playoffs because we will be guaranteeing Chicago our pick in June, just to be able to trade future firsts.

Poeltl is not the dude that makes us getting into the playoffs a guarantee. So for me there is no way there are first rounders involved in a Poeltl deal. I'll be livid if we do.

 

[blazerkor]

By the way... whoever was saying that Nurk has negative trade value and Ant doesn't have much. Come on! Nurk is a monster with a lot of skills. He's still having a pretty good season even in a system that doesn't come close to maximizing what he can bring. Ant is playing as good right now as CJ was when he was starting next to Dame but Ant is only 23. That guy has a lot of trade value.

 

[beast blazer]

Blazers either need to deal dame or ant for a significant difference.

 

[blazerkor]

Blazers either need to deal dame or ant for a significant difference.

Well since Dame can't be traded until July, I guess it's going to have to be Ant but I'm with you. Just like Dame and CJ, Dame and Ant are less than the sum of their parts.

 

[wizenheimer]

By the way... whoever was saying that Nurk has negative trade value and Ant doesn't have much. Come on! Nurk is a monster with a lot of skills. He's still having a pretty good season even in a system that doesn't come close to maximizing what he can bring. Ant is playing as good right now as CJ was when he was starting next to Dame but Ant is only 23. That guy has a lot of trade value.

Nurkic has skills but he also has some major flaws; and he's 28 in his 9th season so it's really doubtful that he'll correct any of those flaws. More than that though is his massive inconsistency. It's certain the 29 other front offices have noted that inconsistency. That doesn't mean he has negative value, but it also doesn't mean he has significant positive value either. Nurk is a traditional C in a time when there is diminished value for traditional C's unless they have elite talent like Jokic or Embiid. Speaking of those two C's, I doubt that Nurk's most recent performances against them is enhancing his value

as far as Ant's trade value, the comparison to CJ is interesting because a lot of people here, including yourself, spent a lot of time trashing the initial return Portland received from trading CJ. Simons is a good shooter but hardly elite at shooting. And he's got good handles for creating his own offense. Other than that though, what has Ant actually established as his game? He hasn't demonstrated anywhere near the court vision to be a PG. He's a slightly undersized SG so he's not really a wing; he doesn't have wing length. He's not a 2-way player and is in fact a poor defender. Like CJ he's pretty clearly not a #2 option. He's a supporting player, at least he is at this point, and he hasn't demonstrated any ability to put a team on his shoulder and carry them to wins like Dame has

all that's not to say he doesn't have value. But maybe I don't know what you really mean when you say Ant has "a lot of trade value". And all that's not to say Portland should definitely trade either Ant or Nurkic. I don't share the urgency some of you have. But I also don't share your seeming high estimation of their value elsewhere

 

[Mr. Robot]

if were still gonna be bad defensive team, at least get offensive players, add as much scoring as possible

if we cant defend them, lets outscore them

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I posted this in the AD thread but also though it belonged in here.
Would this piss people off? I think I'd be excited. If AD passed a rigorous physical, this would be pretty cool. I'd take the gamble on his health. I realize we would be up against the tax and have to pick up another player just to have the roster minimum but just on it's own would people be cool with this or hate it?
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I don't see the point; even with a healthy AD this team isn't a contender, and thats a big if. I also don't think the Lakers do that deal.

I'd rather the Blazers trade veterans for youth. Davis is starting the downside of his career, so doesn't make sense for the Blazers to acquire those types of players.

Flip Grant and Hart for value, eat Nurks contract, and build for years from now.

Blazers will probably instead do another Roco type trade where we ship off picks for an insignificant veteran.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

By the way... whoever was saying that Nurk has negative trade value and Ant doesn't have much. Come on! Nurk is a monster with a lot of skills. He's still having a pretty good season even in a system that doesn't come close to maximizing what he can bring. Ant is playing as good right now as CJ was when he was starting next to Dame but Ant is only 23. That guy has a lot of trade value.

Ant yes; Nurk no.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Portland might be interested in Peoltl. He might not be better than beast-mode Nurkic but that Nurk only shows up 2 or 3 times a month. From what I've seen Poeltl is pretty consistent and consistency might appeal to Portland a lot at the C position after the Nurkic era

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I just don't see enough of an upgrade there to pay much for it in the form of assets

and if the Blazers are fucking dumb enough to spend another 1st round pick on a role player they will have proven they've learned nothing from the idiocy lesson plans Olshey left behind

Blazers way overpaying for Nurk then months later shipping out valuable picks for an insignificant upgrade in Poeltl would be beyond frustrating. But it sadly seem like a very Blazers thing to do.

Sort of reminds me of signing DJJ/GP2 that doesn't make any sense but the team goes ahead and does. Then we'll have a bunch of fans flip their opinion 3 days later and justify how smart the team was to do it.

 

[Freshtown]

Here is a thread where raptors fans say 3 first round picks is not enough for OG, lol

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2259472

also:

“If we want picks, it needs to come from a team that has no idea what they're doing, like Washington or Portland. Or a team that's on its way downhill like Phoenix. New Orleans is the rare case of outsourcing its tank via Lakers goldmine of a pick (they wont trade it)”

 

[wizenheimer]

Here is a thread where raptors fans say 3 first round picks is not enough for OG, lol

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2259472

also:

“If we want picks, it needs to come from a team that has no idea what they're doing, like Washington or Portland. Or a team that's on its way downhill like Phoenix. New Orleans is the rare case of outsourcing its tank via Lakers goldmine of a pick (they wont trade it)”

I have spent a lot of time on RealGM over the years and from my experience, Raps fans there assign perhaps the most inflated value on their players as any fan-base on that forum

 

[RR7]

I have spent a lot of time on RealGM over the years and from my experience, Raps fans there assign perhaps the most inflated value on their players as any fan-base on that forum

A fan there wanted Simons, Grant and 3 first round picks unprotected for Siakim. Agreed on their fanbase generally having an overly inflated value. I mean, we all often do, but they're a whole other level. Dating all the way back to Bargnani over Roy arguments.

 

[handiman]

Raps fans there assign perhaps the most inflated value on their players as any fan-base on that forum

It's the exchange rate.

 

[blazerkor]

Could we get Siakam for Ant, Nurk and two future firsts? Obviously taking the protection off of this year's first. Also, as is rumored, they would have to move FVV.

 

[damianlillard]

Could we get Siakam for Ant, Nurk and two future firsts? Obviously taking the protection off of this year's first. Also, as is rumored, they would have to move FVV.

I think a three team trade would be better
Blazers get Siakam and Flynn
Suns get FVV and Nurkic
Raptors get Ant and Ayton
There would be other pieces to the deal probably but that the gist of it

 

[MickZagger]

How about Watford and some 2nd round picks 5 years from now for Hachimura?

 

[blazerkor]

I think a three team trade would be better
Blazers get Siakam and Flynn
Suns get FVV and Nurkic
Raptors get Ant and Ayton
There would be other pieces to the deal probably but that the gist of it

Bottom line is we need to get a second all star by using Ant, Nurk and whatever draft capital we have to. Then use Hart and/or whoever else and maybe some second rounders to get someone like Bamba... or more likely Bamba because I think he's the only starting level C in the league whose team is trying to get rid of him.

 

[Strenuus]

How about Watford and some 2nd round picks 5 years from now for Hachimura?

Didnt he just get traded to the Lakers?

 

[Cugel]

Watanabe?

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

OK, maybe I already tried this one. three way with Charlotte and Orlando. Gets rid of Nurk and his salary. Gets a young forward with defensive chops. Gets another small guard but one with better D than Simons and willing to come off the bench. Gets Mo Bamba. I only do this deal if we cannot get Siakam.

Simons, Nurk and Brown to Charlotte

Rozier, Plumlee and Jalen McDaniels to Portland



Oubre to Orlando and Bamba to Portland

 

[BigGameDamian]

OK, maybe I already tried this one. three way with Charlotte and Orlando. Gets rid of Nurk and his salary. Gets a young forward with defensive chops. Gets another small guard but one with better D than Simons and willing to come off the bench. Gets Mo Bamba. I only do this deal if we cannot get Siakam.
Simons, Nurk and Brown to Charlotte

Rozier, Plumlee and Jalen McDaniels to Portland

Oubre to Orlando and Bamba to Portland

Trade doesn’t work but I don’t think your getting anything good from Charlotte unless your taking back Gordon Hayward?

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

OK, maybe I already tried this one. three way with Charlotte and Orlando. Gets rid of Nurk and his salary. Gets a young forward with defensive chops. Gets another small guard but one with better D than Simons and willing to come off the bench. Gets Mo Bamba. I only do this deal if we cannot get Siakam.
Simons, Nurk and Brown to Charlotte

Rozier, Plumlee and Jalen McDaniels to Portland

Oubre to Orlando and Bamba to Portland

I think Charlotte loves this deal if they like Nurk. They get rid of Rozier's contract and replace with someone 5 years younger. They only give up three expiring contracts.

Orlando gives up someone they barely use and get a guy at a positon they need more.

As I said Portland gets rid of Nurk, gets a willing 6th man and a young 2 way forward plus Mo Bamba. And a center in Plumlee who is a good passer, much more efficient shooter than Nurk. keeps his head in the game and more consistent.
If you don't count Rozier's stats for this year (trying to do too much with Ball out?) he has better over all stats then Simons. Not quite as efficient shooter or quite as good at threes, but better at assists and rebounding and quite a bit better advanced defensive stats.