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Pinwheel1 said:
Is this article accurate? A negative wing span of 6'7"?

He is a solid defender for sure but if length is the goal I would not give up too much for him.
https://valleyofthesuns.com/2022/02/12/suns-better-mikal-bridges-cameron-johnson/

"The case for Cameron Johnson
Johnson stands two inches taller than Bridges at six-foot-eight, but he wields a smaller wingspan at six-foot-seven. However, he remains a standout defender all the same."
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They actually do the measurements at the combine and he was 6'8.5" with shoes on and had a 6'10" wingspan. So I don't know where this is coming from.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2019-20&sort=WINGSPAN&dir=1
 
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From what little I've read about Cam from sun's fans, he sounds like he's a better post defender, as a PF, than a wing defender, which is what we'd need more.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Is this article accurate? A negative wing span of 6'7"?

He is a solid defender for sure but if length is the goal I would not give up too much for him.
https://valleyofthesuns.com/2022/02/12/suns-better-mikal-bridges-cameron-johnson/

"The case for Cameron Johnson
Johnson stands two inches taller than Bridges at six-foot-eight, but he wields a smaller wingspan at six-foot-seven. However, he remains a standout defender all the same."
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doesn't look accurate:


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https://www.nbadraft.net/2019-nba-draft-combine-measurements/
 
Hoopguru said:
Who would you rather have Cam Johnson with a 6'10" wing span or Cam Reddish with a 7'?

If wings span is the primo attribute lets go after Taco..lol

Hero has what a 6' 3" wing span?
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uhhhh...wut?

I wasn't saying anything negative about Johnson. Just replying to a post suggesting Johnson had a negative wingspan (wingspan less than height). I've always though wingspan was a bit overrated anyway. It matters, but not as much as people think
 
wizenheimer said:
uhhhh...wut?

I wasn't saying anything negative about Johnson. Just replying to a post suggesting Johnson had a negative wingspan (wingspan less than height). I've always though wingspan was a bit overrated anyway. It matters, but not as much as people think
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Sorry, wasnt challenging you, just asking a guestion with regards to ws. Agree its a bit iverrated.
I shouldn’t have made it a reply post to you.
 
Hoopguru said:
Who would you rather have Cam Johnson with a 6'10" wing span or Cam Reddish with a 7'?

If wings span is the primo attribute lets go after Taco..lol

Hero has what a 6' 3" wing span?
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True wing span is overrated, but I am not sure I see a difference between overrating wing span and overrating height. You mentioned matching the 6'9" Cam with Grant. I assume that was because they are both long. Every day there seems to be a thread about how short the Blazers are. Personally, I just care about
how good the players are on both ends of the court and how they fit together, not where the top of their head is.

Edit: I do like his talent though
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Personally, I just care about how good the players are on both ends of the court and how they fit together, not where the top of their head is.
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Agreed, I care about all-around skill more than height but if you want to compete, you can't fill your roster with a bunch of Dame's. You need more height to balance things out.

Just as you want an all-around player (ideally) you also want an all-around team (i.e., different heights).

Of course, along with that is your last statement of not caring where the top of their head is.

True, I care more about what's in the head than the top of the head.
 
AmirIcon said:
How do we do Simons and change for Siakam?
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The "change" would likely need to be Nurk and us guaranteeing the Bulls our pick this year so we can ship two or three FRPs to Toronto. So, I think that might be an offer they'd have a hard time refusing. If we could get a serviceable big that has the athleticism to play Chauncey ball for Josh after or before that trade, then this team would be looking good heading into next season.
 
wizenheimer said:
what is with you and Ayton?

Portland would be stupid to pay Ayton 33M/year. I don't think any C is worth over 25M unless they are Jokic or Embiid. Sabonis, maybe
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Yep I would rather have 2 centers at 16.5. Seems like a high-injury position....at least for us
 
wizenheimer said:
what is with you and Ayton?

Portland would be stupid to pay Ayton 33M/year. I don't think any C is worth over 25M unless they are Jokic or Embiid. Sabonis, maybe
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I think Ayton would be special in this system. I wouldn't mind if we got him. If we did make the trade suggested, I would like to see us go after OG with Nurk and possibly a FRP and who cares how many SRPs.

Dame, Shae, OG, Jerami, Ayton, GP2, Nas, Drewbanks and Justise would make the playoffs and could really grow into a contender. I think as long as a big is extremely mobile, it doesn't matter if he has a bunch of tools in his bag, he's valuable. Yeah, we would be overpaying Ayton but if next year or the year after that gets us a title then I won't care. Obviously the bench would have to get better.
 
wizenheimer said:
what is with you and Ayton?
Portland would be stupid to pay Ayton 33M/year. I don't think any C is worth over 25M unless they are Jokic or Embiid. Sabonis, maybe
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You're not wrong. I won't say I agree with you, but it's about paying the guys at the right positions with the skills, etc.
[The NFL is a great example. Don't pay large to a RB ... unless he's a 4-down back who stays healthy and has great hands with serious route running. Pay the QB, LT, WR, Edge, CB and a DT. Maybe a safety. The Elite TE. Others don't get paid large or for long. Okay, I could've missed a bit on that but a team has to pay for the positions make the difference.]

The NBA? Horford is long since earning his contract. Anthony Davis made his money during the Covid Championship ... otherwise, not since New Orleans. Nurkic probably got one year too many. Indiana thought Ayton was worth it for what he would bring to them. Ayton + Cam Johnson for Nurkic + Ant? I'm in on that trade. The Blazers have to add a pick or do pick swaps? Depends on the details.

And that's all because of Shaedon Sharpe. He looks THAT good this early. I don't like paying a non-superstar center BIG money though Ayton's is for 3 more years after this one. I like Cam Johnson even though he's needs to stay healthy for his growth curve. IMHO, Ayton is the cut-off line for big $$$ centers ... and his is questionable.
 
blazerkor said:
I think Ayton would be special in this system. I wouldn't mind if we got him. If we did make the trade suggested, I would like to see us go after OG with Nurk and possibly a FRP and who cares how many SRPs.

Dame, Shae, OG, Jerami, Ayton, GP2, Nas, Drewbanks and Justise would make the playoffs and could really grow into a contender. I think as long as a big is extremely mobile, it doesn't matter if he has a bunch of tools in his bag, he's valuable. Yeah, we would be overpaying Ayton but if next year or the year after that gets us a title then I won't care. Obviously the bench would have to get better.
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hmmmm....I'm assuming, going by your rotation, you're suggesting the Blazers can convert Ant+Nurk+Hart in to Ayton+OG

setting aside how realistic it is to expect Phoenix and Toronto to cooperate:

points/game: Ayton+OG 34.8....Ant+Nurk+Hart 45.2
rebounds/game: Ayton+OG 15.7....Ant+Nurk+Hart 19.6
assists/game: Ayton+OG 4.1....Ant+Nurk+Hart 11.6

winshares: Ayton+OG 5.8....Ant+Nurk+Hart 9.5

now I know that's kind of a flawed way to stack things up. But I think the flaw is bigger with higher level players compared to role players. All 5 of those guys are role-players

honestly, I do not see that team growing into a contender unless Sharpe hits definite all-star level in the next couple of seasons. We've been talking for years about the key being to add another top-tier player to pair with Dame. Ayton and OC are not top-tier players. Yet, Portland would be losing their best trade assets to land those two. The problem has been Dame supported by role players. That was the CJ era, and that's this season. After the trades the Blazers are still Dame supported by role players
 
I am going back to the Orlando partner deal. This time a little change:

Nurk & Simons

For

Bamba, Isaac, & Suggs

Still looking to roll the dice on Isaac and his knees. Then they can deal Hart for a bench piece. I read a suggestion a couple weeks back that said Hart to Pacers for Duarte & McConell. Not sure if the write was dreaming, but I would love that deal.

PG - Lillard, McConnell, Keon
SG - Suggs, Duarte, Sharpe
SF - Grant, Little, Payton, Walker
PF - Isaac, Winslow, Watford
C. - Bamba, Eubanks
 
lamlor said:
I am going back to the Orlando partner deal. This time a little change:

Nurk & Simons

For

Bamba, Isaac, & Suggs

Still looking to roll the dice on Isaac and his knees. Then they can deal Hart for a bench piece. I read a suggestion a couple weeks back that said Hart to Pacers for Duarte & McConell. Not sure if the write was dreaming, but I would love that deal.

PG - Lillard, McConnell, Keon
SG - Suggs, Duarte, Sharpe
SF - Grant, Little, Payton, Walker
PF - Isaac, Winslow, Watford
C. - Bamba, Eubanks
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The Hart swap makes no sense. You trade for Duarte, and push Sharpe to 3rd string?! No thank you. Sharpe's already every bit as good as Duarte is this season, and is 6 years younger than him.
I'm ok with the Orlando move. Isaac still terrifies me, and I doubt Orlando makes that move, likely have to shift Nurk to a 3rd team, but Isaac's contract is somewhat protected from his knee issues, I believe.
 
RR7 said:
The Hart swap makes no sense. You trade for Duarte, and push Sharpe to 3rd string?! No thank you. Sharpe's already every bit as good as Duarte is this season, and is 6 years younger than him.
I'm ok with the Orlando move. Isaac still terrifies me, and I doubt Orlando makes that move, likely have to shift Nurk to a 3rd team, but Isaac's contract is somewhat protected from his knee issues, I believe.
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Don't ever get into the save a spot for this or that player. If Sharpe gets pushed to 3rd string, then he obviously didn't live up to his hype. I think he will have a good career, but that thought path always gives me the shakes. I have heard it for years in different sports and it has never made sense. If they got a guy like Duarte and Sharpe out plays him, then great. Competition within is a good thing and you never have enough of a good thing. We are not getting any studs in a trade. We have to take on risk with either bad health or unproven talent to date and hope they work out. And trading Hart gives you a free tryout for a former high draft pick. Hart is gone either way. Appreciate your opinion, but the whole 'don't block a guy' theory has never made sense to me and it hits a nerve.
 
Hoopguru said:
Would you consider M Bridges for Ant straight across? They have Cam ready to play starting SF.
Salaries work. They need a PG & We need a legit 3.
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Yes.
And hell yes.
Ant's a better scorer, but Bridges is that SF who seriously D's up on the perimeter AND is good on O. Bridges neither gets to the line nor rebounds at a high level, but he's a good (not great) shooter. For what this team needs, Bridges > Ant. Overall, he's better. Phoenix doesn't take that call, IMHO.
 
wizenheimer said:
hmmmm....I'm assuming, going by your rotation, you're suggesting the Blazers can convert Ant+Nurk+Hart in to Ayton+OG
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honestly, I do not see that team growing into a contender unless Sharpe hits definite all-star level in the next couple of seasons. We've been talking for years about the key being to add another top-tier player to pair with Dame. Ayton and OC are not top-tier players. Yet, Portland would be losing their best trade assets to land those two. The problem has been Dame supported by role players. That was the CJ era, and that's this season. After the trades the Blazers are still Dame supported by role players
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I trimmed down the quote not because it wasn't relevant but to address just the last part. "Role players" or as a recent twitter post or on a board or ... said Grant as the 3rd best player on a championship team that doesn't have a 2nd best. I disagree to a degree with Grant -- he's more than a role player. And 3rd best on a championship team? Yeah, that's probably about right, though I really like any PF who makes me not wish for Rasheed or Buck or BG or LMA to come out of retirement. Low bar. /s but only a bit.

As to "losing their best trade assets to land those two" ... maybe so. But the benefit is restructuring across the line-up with comparable or better talent. The other part is whether you think Ayton or Nurkic will be more healthy and available moving forward. That's been a killer in the playoffs for the Blazers.
 
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