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julius said:
You're also missing the point. They haven't given him a decent roster to compete. If you look at the shitty rosters he's had to play with, and the team has done as good as it has, imagine if they actually rolle the dice on someone?

But no, let's trade him because we want to suck for a long time after (see: Minnesota, see: Orlando, see: Sacramento, see: New Orleans)
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....except the Pelicans kicked the ever living crap out of us when that current squad had NEVER won so much as a Playoff game.
 
TBpup said:
....except the Pelicans kicked the ever living crap out of us when that current squad had NEVER won so much as a Playoff game.
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And what have they done since....
 
Wade Garrett said:
Half the league makes the playoffs brah.
It is not a reward for success as much as an opportunity for the league to make the $$$$$...
Teams with losing records make the playoffs.
But then again, Oregon State went to a Bowl game.
Participation ribbons for the Gaylord Focker Wall of Fame.
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not many get home court or the 3rd seed or make the Western Conf finals especially during the Golden State ...Lebron era of championships....given the roster we had I think we've been far from mediocre and I've enjoyed the hell out our playoffs....couple teams that beat us in the first round went on the win a championship and beat everybody else too....no shame in that ...it's not a participation trophy in my view..........Beavs won a handful of national baseball championships too....Pat Casey is a HOF Oregon State coach...mad respect for that guy...my son graduated from Oregon State...love that school
 
julius said:
You're also missing the point. They haven't given him a decent roster to compete. If you look at the shitty rosters he's had to play with, and the team has done as good as it has, imagine if they actually rolle the dice on someone?

But no, let's trade him because we want to suck for a long time after (see: Minnesota, see: Orlando, see: Sacramento, see: New Orleans)
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WHO FREAKING CARES WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST!!!!!!!!
I agree with you. They have given him shitty help...
It doesn't matter anymore. The gig is up. The team sucks, and it is time to quit holding on to The Savior for dear life come Hell or High water.
How much more boring to you want as long as we keep Damian?
Like I said to river, IF we ever have a parade again, it will be through the streets of Portland, not Damian Lillard's driveway.
I love Dame, and would hate to ever see him in a different jersey....But, I hate seeing this mess even more.
 
Wade Garrett said:
WHO FREAKING CARES WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST!!!!!!!!
I agree with you. They have given him shitty help...
It doesn't matter anymore. The gig is up. The team sucks, and it is time to quit holding on to The Savior for dear life come Hell or High water.
How much more boring to you want as long as we keep Damian?
Like I said to river, IF we ever have a parade again, it will be through the streets of Portland, not Damian Lillard's driveway.
I love Dame, and would hate to ever see him in a different jersey....But, I hate seeing this mess even more.
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If you don't care about the past, then you should be willing to wait to see if the team is going to make trades and surround him with talent.
 
julius said:
And what have they done since....
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So you'd rather we stay mediocre with zero chance to win? You remember how it felt when we got the #1 pick and drafted Oden right? I remember wanting to consolidate our young assets for another big player to go with Roy, Oden, Aldridge and being yelled at to let the cake bake. We had all that talent and it didn't work out. But it felt like we were on the rise until everything fell apart. That felt better than this right now.
 
Wade Garrett said:
Nope.
I am pro trading Lillard but I can't give you any scenarios.
I chuckle whenever anyone tries the trade machine because it fails to factor in the mindset of any trading partner.
But after trying for 10 years to "surround him with talent", it would seem time to try a different approach.
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I get what you're saying and appreciate that you think about factoring the trade partner.

I'm still missing why people thinking going from one all-NBA player to zero would help us. What are the odds we draft one, let alone two all-NBA players, and then have the ability to keep them into their prime? Seems far less likely than say trading CJ, Ant and the #3 pick for someone who could be a star.
 
julius said:
If you don't care about the past, then you should be willing to wait to see if the team is going to make trades and surround him with talent.
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There are two paths. We keep our lotto pick and use it in a trade for immediate help (trade Nurkic and Roco before the deadline for assets we might not lose at year end) while keeping Dame. Or blow it up in the offseason, use our lotto pick and whatever we got for Dame, CJ to start anew. Suck for a few years and draft well. Wouldn't surprise me if GM's are more interested in the blow up option and putting their stamp on the team. Just make sure you hire the right scouts.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
So you'd rather we stay mediocre with zero chance to win? You remember how it felt when we got the #1 pick and drafted Oden right? I remember wanting to consolidate our young assets for another big player to go with Roy, Oden, Aldridge and being yelled at to let the cake bake. We had all that talent and it didn't work out. But it felt like we were on the rise until everything fell apart. That felt better than this right now.
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Id rather the current GM be given an actual chance to make a trade, since this is a weird situation for the NBA. Covid has changed a lot of things, trades being one of them.
 
Tince said:
I take that as you don't have any good trades for Lillard?
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Zing! It is pointless going back and forth on trades. Many posters will be giant homers thinking we can get a star for our garbage.

Like i have said. Either trade our lotto pick and whatever for a second star this offseason. Or move on. Look at what Harden got back.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
There are two paths. We keep our lotto pick and use it in a trade for immediate help (trade Nurkic and Roco before the deadline for assets we might not lose at year end) while keeping Dame. Or blow it up in the offseason, use our lotto pick and whatever we got for Dame, CJ to start anew. Suck for a few years and draft well. Wouldn't surprise me if GM's are more interested in the blow up option and putting their stamp on the team. Just make sure you hire the right scouts.
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I'm willin to bet that the GM (and ownership) of the team is far less interested in trading Damian, than fans are. Damian gives them a face and a purpose. Being a small market, especially one in Siberia, they know how hard it is to get a player of Damians capability (both on and off the court) to come here and more importantly, want to stay here.
 
julius said:
Id rather the current GM be given an actual chance to make a trade, since this is a weird situation for the NBA. Covid has changed a lot of things, trades being one of them.
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Cool. I've said that is fine. This offseason is where we have two paths to go. Rebuild by trading Lillard. Or use our lotto pick to bring in a star through trade. If we snuck into the playoffs that would be the worst case scenario.
 
julius said:
I'm willin to bet that the GM (and ownership) of the team is far less interested in trading Damian, than fans are. Damian gives them a face and a purpose. Being a small market, especially one in Siberia, they know how hard it is to get a player of Damians capability (both on and off the court) to come here and more importantly, want to stay here.
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Then he should ask out unless the franchise actually wants to build him a winner. Just keeping him for the face of the franchise but having zero interest in trying their best to win a title is a complete joke.
 
Tince said:
I get what you're saying and appreciate that you think about factoring the trade partner.

I'm still missing why people thinking going from one all-NBA player to zero would help us. What are the odds we draft one, let alone two all-NBA players, and then have the ability to keep them into their prime? Seems far less likely than say trading CJ, Ant and the #3 pick for someone who could be a star.
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I am seeing a former All NBA player in Damian Lillard.
Could be his injury, (aka his selfishness) could just be an off-year. Amazing athletes have them.
Or, he is 31, and has ran his body into the ground. Dame is a warrior, tough as nails, but it is ENTIRELY possible he is on the downside.
He is not a large man, and he has had the shit kicked out of him over the years.
That can be our little secret. Trade him while everyone else sees him as a top 75 all time player. (again, apologies to Klay)...
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Zing! It is pointless going back and forth on trades. Many posters will be giant homepatrs thinking we can get a star for our garbage.

Like i have said. Either trade our lotto pick and whatever for a second star this offseason. Or move on. Look at what Harden got back.
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I agree... seems like the path with the best chance of success is to tank this year, hope you get a top 3 pick, trade it for a legit player, and take one big swing.
 
Wade Garrett said:
I am seeing a former All NBA player in Damian Lillard.
Could be his injury, (aka his selfishness) could just be an off-year. Amazing athletes have them.
Or, he is 31, and has ran his body into the ground. Dame is a warrior, tough as nails, but it is ENTIRELY possible he is on the downside.
He is not a large man, and he has had the shit kicked out of him over the years.7
That can be our little secret. Trade him while everyone else sees him as a top 75 all time player. (again, apologies to Klay)...
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If we can trade him for a top 75 player in his prime, I'm all ears. I'm guessing that's not on the table though.
 
Tince said:
I agree... seems like the path with the best chance of success is to tank this year, hope you get a top 3 pick, trade it for a legit player, and take one big swing.
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Absolutely. I want to win with Lillard. I just don't see it happening. Getting a lotto pick and trading it for someone to put next to him is my only hope of a contender with Dame.

I just don't want to see us waste Dames last years and continue to be a treadmill type team.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Then he should ask out unless the franchise actually wants to build him a winner. Just keeping him for the face of the franchise but having zero interest in trying their best to win a title is a complete joke.
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Damian should do what damian wants to do, and not base it on the emotions of what fans think he should do.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Then he should ask out unless the franchise actually wants to build him a winner. Just keeping him for the face of the franchise but having zero interest in trying their best to win a title is a complete joke.
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you keep saying "zero interest or zero chance" ....that's where I pause....projecting apathy for the sake of apathy is a stretch in my view....if you think the organization is keeping him as a figurehead in name only, you don't know these guys and how competitive they actually are. Dame is a proven winner and he is not close to washed up or done in his pursuit of winning....it's just that we threw out the 10 year plan and front office and coaching staff to try and build him a new system....now we're a couple dozen games into that process with covid quarantines, injuries, etc and the team is in a bad slump. You either right the ship or scrap it....I think you right the ship.
This season is Chauncey's rookie "learn to coach" season....alot of our problems are squarely on his shoulders and how he moves forward now is going to tell us how much progress he's made as a first time coach
 
julius said:
Damian should do what damian wants to do, and not base it on the emotions of what fans think he should do.
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Absolutely. And if he wants to just be paid $50 million a year and loses his will to try for a championship because we haven't supported him with players, we should trade him and rebuild.
 
Wade Garrett said:
I am seeing a former All NBA player in Damian Lillard.
Could be his injury, (aka his selfishness) could just be an off-year. Amazing athletes have them.
Or, he is 31, and has ran his body into the ground. Dame is a warrior, tough as nails, but it is ENTIRELY possible he is on the downside.
He is not a large man, and he has had the shit kicked out of him over the years.
That can be our little secret. Trade him while everyone else sees him as a top 75 all time player. (again, apologies to Klay)...
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He's still averaging 24 points and 7 assists, for fucks sake.

Not sure why you keep bringing up Klay. His career PER is *below* what Damian is doing right now and he's apparently washed up.

15 = average NBA player. Klay the last 2 seasons? 16.6 and 16. He's a great shooter yes, but the guy is overrated.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Absolutely. And if he wants to just be paid $50 million a year and loses his will to try for a championship because we haven't supported him with players, we should trade him and rebuild.
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And if he wants to stick a straw up his ass and fart out bubbles, we should worry about that too.
 
TBpup said:
In the grander scheme of competing for a title, the same as us.
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And one could argue they've both done shitty jobs at it. But the difference is, their best player is heavy, injury prone and hasn't proven anything in the league.
 
julius said:
And one could argue they've both done shitty jobs at it. But the difference is, their best player is heavy, injury prone and hasn't proven anything in the league.
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Right now, it's a difference without a distinction.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Real mature Hap. Real mature
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Thanks mixum.

The point was that we don't know that Damian has asked that, since he's not allowed to do ask about an extension or ask for it.
 
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