Trade Rumors Thread

[illmatic99]

Hart lives in MIA in the offseason too if I recall. A hard nosed rebounder who can defend and competes like hell. He should be a hot commodity. If we built our roster better, we would/should retain him.

 

[Shaboid]

I said it elsewhere, but in regards to Hart, if you don't think we're going anywhere, and you're weary of what he might want to sign for in the offseason, he is absolutely a guy we should be looking to trade at the deadline. Someone slightly younger with a longer deal? Or assets we could move in the offseason for an upgrade, perhaps.

Hart lives in MIA in the offseason too if I recall. A hard nosed rebounder who can defend and competes like hell. He should be a hot commodity. If we built our roster better, we would/should retain him.

I don't see much on MIA that fits that that mold that they'd want to give up. Picks then I guess and another trade exception? I'm not as hip to the CBA as everyone here, but what would make sense in a deal with the Heat that both sides would agree to?

 

[RR7]

I don't see much on MIA that fits that that mold that they'd want to give up. Picks then I guess and another trade exception? I'm not as hip to the CBA as everyone here, but what would make sense in a deal with the Heat that both sides would agree to?

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[wizenheimer]

I have no doubt Josh Hart is a "hot commodity" right now. There's good reason for it

irony is Hart was NOT a hot commodity a year ago....or 2 or 3 years ago for that matter. What has made him such a hot commodity is how he has transformed his game. This year. He's not a one-dimensional player

he's averaging 10 points, 8 rebounds, & 4 assists, while posting an incredibly low 12.5% usage rate. He pushes the ball in transition and is one of the primary ball-handlers in half-court, yet he has an excellent 2.6 assist/turnover ratio for a non-PG. He's shown he's willing to defer his own offense for the sake of the team. He's unselfish but never takes plays off, on either end of the floor. He hustles constantly, is a good & versatile defender, and carries a very high FT rate for a low-usage wing. He gets to the line

he's a high-energy, all-out-hustle glue guy. He has good positive value and would fit well on just about every team in the NBA. And the Blazers would be very fucking stupid to sell all that cheaply because of worry about his contract. This season he's been as valuable, on the floor, as Simons

 

[illmatic99]

I don't see much on MIA that fits that that mold that they'd want to give up. Picks then I guess and another trade exception? I'm not as hip to the CBA as everyone here, but what would make sense in a deal with the Heat that both sides would agree to?

would have to be a three teamer.

oladipo would be nice, but he's pretty much like hart only cheaper (for this season) and more injury prone. lot of duplication with him and payton too. we need bigs or tall wings. dedmon is an option but he sucks; not sure he's better than eubanks.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

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I don't want to lose Hart but also don't want to pay him a ton. Plus this season seems to be going nowhere unless we package him with another player and try to make a splash. I would consider that deal for those two players and a 1st rounder.

 

[B-Roy]

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The Heat are not doing this.

 

[RR7]

I have no doubt Josh Hart is a "hot commodity" right now. There's good reason for it

irony is Hart was NOT a hot commodity a year ago....or 2 or 3 years ago for that matter. What has made him such a hot commodity is how he has transformed his game. This year. He's not a one-dimensional player

he's averaging 10 points, 8 rebounds, & 4 assists, while posting an incredibly low 12.5% usage rate. He pushes the ball in transition and is one of the primary ball-handlers in half-court, yet he has an excellent 2.6 assist/turnover ratio for a non-PG. He's shown he's willing to defer his own offense for the sake of the team. He's unselfish but never takes plays off, on either end of the floor. He hustles constantly, is a good & versatile defender, and carries a very high FT rate for a low-usage wing. He gets to the line

he's a high-energy, all-out-hustle glue guy. He has good positive value and would fit well on just about every team in the NBA. And the Blazers would be very fucking stupid to sell all that cheaply because of worry about his contract. This season he's been as valuable, on the floor, as Simons

But nobody is saying anything about selling him cheaply, so I don't know why you'd lob that in there? I don't think anyone would suggest that. But you have to ask, are we a title contender this season? What is our realistic ceiling? What might his demand be in the offseason? Does he want to be here? Who else might go after him in the offseason? Do we miss out on, say, a play in effort, and gain assets we could hopefully use in the offseason, or do we scratch for the playoffs, and risk losing him for nothing?

 

[blazerkor]

I don't see much on MIA that fits that that mold that they'd want to give up. Picks then I guess and another trade exception? I'm not as hip to the CBA as everyone here, but what would make sense in a deal with the Heat that both sides would agree to?

A third team and draft considerations are the only things when I look at the Heat's players that would match Hart's contract, that could make a Hart to the Heat trade sensible.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

The Heat are not doing this.

I wouldn't be so sure. They are looking at trying to make a run. But if they aren't going to do it then they aren't getting Hart.

 

[Hoopguru]

What's to keep Grant from leaving?

 

[Shaboid]

What's to keep Grant from leaving?

Cronin overpaying him.

 

[blazerkor]

The Heat are not doing this.

I think Jovic is a piece I wasn't really looking at and if Joe/Schmitz are really high on him, he could get the job done along with Oladipo with another if attached which is if we are trading Ant and want someone who could compete with Shae for the starting spot and overall minutes at SG. You would have to really like Jovic though but they aren't doing Jovic and a first. They might do Oladipo, Dedmond and a first but unless that first was immediately flipped in another trade, I don't think Dame would be too keen on that trade.

 

[blazerkor]

What's to keep Grant from leaving?

I don't think Cronin would be keeping Grant if he didn't already have a deal in place. I would almost guarantee that Grant has the same kind of deal that Nurk and Ant had last season. Grant probably wants the five years that he can't get right now and both sides have probably already agreed to a number that none of us will love but will be hard to completely melt down about.

Edit: Something I think we've learned about Cronin is that he gets things planned out in advance. I'm quite sure Nurk and Ant were promised and agreed to their deals before we went into full tank and I'm pretty sure that Detroit agreed to taking either the Lakers pick if they didn't make the draft or the pick they eventually took and that deal was only put on hold because Jerami would have hurt the tank.

 

[wizenheimer]

But nobody is saying anything about selling him cheaply, so I don't know why you'd lob that in there? I don't think anyone would suggest that.

but you just did...Hart for Oladipo & Jovic? I'm sorry, but I consider that selling Hart cheaply

If Miami really wants him then Hart for Caleb Martin + Dedmon + a future pick; then route Dedmon to a 3rd team unless you're worried about Nurk's injury history

or something like this:



if Miami wouldn't do it, then fine...fuck em and their desire for Hart

 

[PCmor7]

This board seems to believe two claims that are hard to reconcile.
1. What you said
2. Jerami Grant is the best forward we've had basically since Aldridge

I don't really have a horse in this race but I'll point out that both can be true. You're measuring Grant individually against a team as a combination and a construct. One of the things about a team is how it all fits together, and the combination seldom equals the sum of the parts.

 

[RR7]

but you just did...Hart for Oladipo & Jovic? I'm sorry, but I consider that selling Hart cheaply

If Miami really wants him then Hart for Caleb Martin + Dedmon + a future pick; then route Dedmon to a 3rd team unless you're worried about Nurk's injury history

or something like this:

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if Miami wouldn't do it, then fine...fuck em and their desire for Hart

I had their 1st rounder in there as well. Jovic and a 1st for Hart is decent value, IMO.

 

[wizenheimer]

I know it's against what we've seen from the Vulcans, but I really wonder about the prevailing opinion that Portland can't afford Grant + Hart next season

start with the 'fact' that if the Blazers stay under the tax this season, their repeater tax clock is completely re-set. Meaning the earliest that Portland would potentially be liable for repeater tax is the 2026-27 season. That's the season AFTER the Simons and Nurkic contracts expire

then, add another assumption based upon the fact that the tax level from last season to this season increased by nearly 13 million. The current tax line is 150.3M. So then, for the sake of argument, assume next season's tax line is 160M

Portland's guaranteed payroll next season:

Damian Lillard $45,640,084
Anfernee Simons $24,107,143
Jusuf Nurkić $16,875,000
Gary Payton II $8,715,000
Shaedon Sharpe $6,313,800
Nassir Little $6,250,000
Trendon Watford $1,836,096
Jabari Walker $1,719,864
Andrew Nicholson $2,844,430
Eric Bledsoe $1,300,000
Didi Louzada $268,032

about 116M (before any roster charges)

say Grant signs for 30M, first year, and Hart 15M, first year. Blazers are about 1M over the tax line. They'd still need to sign some players to near vet minimum deals. Players like Eubanks. That would put Portland about 7-9M over the tax line. But an easy fix for that potentially being a multi-year issue is trading Payton before next year's trade deadline for an expiring contract

now, if you're going to argue why would Portland go into the tax for that team because it's not a contender, OK. Or that Grant+Hart first year will be more than 45M...maybe OK but I'm skeptical. But the Blazers can afford to re-sign both Grant and Hart if they want

 

[wizenheimer]

I had their 1st rounder in there as well. Jovic and a 1st for Hart is decent value, IMO.

ok...didn't see the 1st

but here's the issue I see: the thinking that the Blazers can't afford Hart next season, but could afford the 12M of Oladipo + Jovic? How big a contract do people expect Hart to get?

 

[RR7]

ok...didn't see the 1st

but here's the issue I see: the thinking that the Blazers can't afford Hart next season, but could afford the 12M of Oladipo + Jovic? How big a contract do people expect Hart to get?

Are people saying we CAN'T afford him? I saw your previous post as well. I haven't seen mentions that we cant afford him.

 

[wizenheimer]

Are people saying we CAN'T afford him? I saw your previous post as well. I haven't seen mentions that we cant afford him.

I've seen it a bunch of times the last few months...maybe not in this thread, but for sure people have suggested it

what exactly is the appeal of Jovic by the way...just being tall?

 

[RR7]

I've seen it a bunch of times the last few months...maybe not in this thread, but for sure people have suggested it

what exactly is the appeal of Jovic by the way...just being tall?

I'll take your word for it, I haven't seen any mention that we actually can't afford him. Unless it was geared towards a should we be paying that, but not that we actually CAN'T.
As for Jovic, he's a flyer prospect to go along with the draft pick. He was just recently a 1st round pick, only 19 years old, and is supposed to be a skilled passer for a big, and got comparisons to Hedo, Gallinari, and other similar players. Will he get there? It's always unlikely, but he's still an intriguing prospect.

 

[Shaboid]

Bulls Could Offer A ‘Godfather’ Package For Damian Lillard

 

[wizenheimer]

I'll take your word for it, I haven't seen any mention that we actually can't afford him. Unless it was geared towards a should we be paying that, but not that we actually CAN'T.
As for Jovic, he's a flyer prospect to go along with the draft pick. He was just recently a 1st round pick, only 19 years old, and is supposed to be a skilled passer for a big, and got comparisons to Hedo, Gallinari, and other similar players. Will he get there? It's always unlikely, but he's still an intriguing prospect.

it's been mentioned in the Grant + Hart context of not being able to afford both

as for Jovic, OK. His stats are pretty bad, but he's 19 and has only played 204 minutes in 15 games, so stats are pretty meaningless

 

[RR7]

Bulls Could Offer A ‘Godfather’ Package For Damian Lillard

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I like how in the article, the guy says how the Bulls will just be waiting on Bal's next injury, but then, we can wait on Ball and he'll pair great with Simons! So one team knows he's injury prone, but the next team somehow misses that? Also, the Bulls owe their 2025 pick(most likely) to S.A>, as he mentions in the article. Which makes including the 2026 pick illegal.
Edit: Oh, and Lillard can't be moved until the offseason anyways.

 

[wizenheimer]

Bulls Could Offer A ‘Godfather’ Package For Damian Lillard

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stupid trade that can't be legally done and LOL at "godfather package"

 

[Shaboid]

stupid trade that can't be legally done and LOL at "godfather package"

I thought it was dumb too, but people in this forum are saying "Trade Dame". Are we just taking a handful of draft picks for him?

 

[Tince]

stupid trade that can't be legally done and LOL at "godfather package"

And it appears Bulls fans think they're getting ripped off in this trade.

More proof that most fans tend to over-value their own players.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

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Meh... I don't know about this.

Maybe if Portland could include GBIII and get back Orlando Robinson (currently on a TW contract). I think a followup trade with GPII would be in order still.

 

[e_blazer]

stupid trade that can't be legally done and LOL at "godfather package"

Exactly. More like a "senile grandfather's package".