Trade Trade(s) fallout

[TBpup]

So Portland traded for Varejo, immediately waived him and then added Brian (don't call me Bip) Roberts.

In addition, the Blazers receive CLE 2018 1st round Draft pick (Top-10 protected) and a future 2nd round pick from MIA. Also, it is being reported the Blazers will get cash considerations from CLE and ORL from the Varejo trade.

Portland waived Tim Frazier to complete the Varejo trade but will use the 'Stretch Provision' to lessen the impact of his contract for next season which will then count for only around $2Million each season until that provision is exhausted.

So:

2018 1st Round pick (Top-10 protected) from Cleveland
A future 2nd round pick from Miami
Cash considerations from CLE and ORL
Brian Roberts to fill the Tim Frazier slot
.....and for all that, Portland gave up a reported future 2nd round pick to ORL.

Certainly not a 'needle-mover' but all in all, POR got back more than it sent out.

 

[Stevenson]

If that's accurate, and I am sure it is, Olshey is a master.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

We turned cap space into A new backup PG, picks, and cash. Damn!

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Isn't the second rounder to Orlando coming from Cleveland ? From when we traded seconds to Cleveland for crabbe?

 

[TBpup]

So future assets especially as this team continues to grow. Cap flexibility wasn't really hurt and it certainly didn't impact the current rotation one bit. Seems like a Win-Win.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

WOW, Tim Frazier is awesome! We traded him for Brian Roberts and a 1st rounder.

 

[B-Roy]

Isn't the second rounder to Orlando coming from Cleveland ? From when we traded seconds to Cleveland for crabbe?

Nope from us.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

We traded our cap space now, some of it the next five off seasons, and Frazier. I give these moves an C+.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

If the grade for no moves at all would be a B then I grade this deadline as a solid B+

 

[Denny Crane]

We have a Tim Frazier appreciation thread. This should really be the "Neil Olshey Appreciation Thread."

He's done nothing but impress me with every move he's made.

 

[Blazinaway]

We traded our cap space now, some of it the next five off seasons, and Frazier. I give these moves an C+.

wow, less than 2% of our capspace for a future 1st, a 2nd, and a solid backup PG and save like 6 mil getting close to the salary floor, that's a nice day's work by NO

 

[Pinwheel1]

We traded our cap space now, some of it the next five off seasons, and Frazier. I give these moves an C+.

Did we trade our cap space now? Or did we simply reach the salary cap floor which we were required to do anyways?
Would we be in the same boat salary cap wise if we simply paid our current roster more money to reach the floor?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

We have a Tim Frazier appreciation thread. This should really be the "Neil Olshey Appreciation Thread."

He's done nothing but impress me with every move he's made.

What I like is Neil has superior shot selection, to use a player term. He pulls the trigger on moves, but they're measured and considered. We've had GMs who make no moves at all, and GMs who flail around hoping something will stick. I like Neil's approach the best.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Wow Neil! That's some voodoo shit right there.

I don't follow trades or cap spaces or any of that hocus pocus. But if Neil made it work for as little as possible on our part, then I can't complain.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

But Meyers.....

 

[THE HCP]

Anybody heard how Dame feels about this? Frazier was his wingman......

 

[Strenuus]

But Meyers.....

There's always time to waive him.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

wow, less than 2% of our capspace for a future 1st, a 2nd, and a solid backup PG and save like 6 mil getting close to the salary floor, that's a nice day's work by NO

Did we trade our cap space now? Or did we simply reach the salary cap floor which we were required to do anyways?
Would we be in the same boat salary cap wise if we simply paid our current roster more money to reach the floor?

In comparison, look at what Philly did with their cap space. Spent a little more, but got Strauskas, the lottery chances of the Kings for the next two years, and the Kings pick in 2018 that has very small protection. With the train wreck in Sacramento, that pick has very good chance of being in the lottery. The first rounder from Cleveland plus the other picks we acquired are decent though.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

In comparison, look at what Philly did with their cap space. Spent a little more, but got Strauskas, the lottery chances of the Kings for the next two years, and the Kings pick in 2018 that has very small protection. With the train wreck in Sacramento, that pick has very good chance of being in the lottery. The first rounder from Cleveland plus the other picks we acquired are decent though.

Our biggest fault was not knowing how truly terribad the Kings FO was earlier.

 

[Draco]

Sounds like we don't have to decide on stretching Varejao until the summer.

That gives the Blazers the option this summer of either taking the entire $9.4 million Varejao was guaranteed for 2016-17 (plus a 5 percent trade kicker) on their cap immediately or spreading it over the next five seasons. Portland has the cap space to take on that salary and still have plenty of room to re-sign restricted free agents Allen Crabbe and Meyers Leonard, but if the Blazers view themselves as potential players in free agency, they may prefer to stretch it.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insi...valiers-trade-orlando-magic-channing-frye-nba

 

[Draco]

In comparison, look at what Philly did with their cap space. Spent a little more, but got Strauskas, the lottery chances of the Kings for the next two years, and the Kings pick in 2018 that has very small protection. With the train wreck in Sacramento, that pick has very good chance of being in the lottery. The first rounder from Cleveland plus the other picks we acquired are decent though.

Philly did that trade at the start of free agency when the rest of the league hadn't decided to use their cap space or not. When the Blazers made this deal there were other teams in the league that could've absorbed next seasons salary.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Our biggest fault was not knowing how truly terribad the Kings FO was earlier.

You did not see selling your future to buy Rondo and Bellinelli with a questionable coach choice to pair with that roster was going to be a disaster?

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

You did not see selling your future to buy Rondo and Bellinelli with a questionable coach choice to pair with that roster was going to be a disaster?

I saw it as desperation to keep Cousins somewhat happy. The thing that is crazy is their roster should be able to get them to the playoffs this season.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Anybody heard how Dame feels about this? Frazier was his wingman......

I think this could end up biting us in the ass. I think Frazier's value was in the lockerroom.

It's weird: if we were in "win now" mode, we would've kept Varejao. He's a lot more useful than Cliff Alexander, and if healthy, he's been better than any of our bigs have ever been. And, though this is saying very little, Tim Frazier is more useful than Luis Montero.

But if we're in "go young" mode, why get Roberts?

 

[B-Roy]

I think this could end up biting us in the ass. I think Frazier's value was in the lockerroom.

It's weird: if we were in "win now" mode, we would've kept Varejao. He's a lot more useful than Cliff Alexander, and if healthy, he's been better than any of our bigs have ever been. And, though this is saying very little, Tim Frazier is more useful than Luis Montero.

But if we're in "go young" mode, why get Roberts?

Because Roberts is a 3rd stringer and we got a 2nd round pick to take him, which ALSO brings us to the salary floor.

There's nothing strategically "off" on any of these trades, if you just think hard enough.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Because Roberts is a 3rd stringer and we got a 2nd round pick to take him, which ALSO brings us to the salary floor.

Getting to the salary floor is a total non-event. If anything, it might piss the players off, because if you end up below it, the players get a bonus.

2nd round picks are fun at draft time, but honestly, who cares?

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Philly did that trade at the start of free agency when the rest of the league hadn't decided to use their cap space or not. When the Blazers made this deal there were other teams in the league that could've absorbed next seasons salary.

Most everything had started to take shape at that time. I guess by not doing this, we were able to get the #2's from Cleveland and screw OKC with our offer sheet.

I will take C+ moves though. Not all of our transactions are going to be homeruns and it has no chance of setting our franchise back.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Getting to the salary floor is a total non-event. If anything, it might piss the players off, because if you end up below it, the players get a bonus.

2nd round picks are fun at draft time, but honestly, who cares?

It's an asset, bottom line. I'd rather use it as such as sweetener to get another deal done than pick a player.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I think this could end up biting us in the ass. I think Frazier's value was in the lockerroom.

It's weird: if we were in "win now" mode, we would've kept Varejao. He's a lot more useful than Cliff Alexander, and if healthy, he's been better than any of our bigs have ever been. And, though this is saying very little, Tim Frazier is more useful than Luis Montero.

But if we're in "go young" mode, why get Roberts?

I don't see why it should be as black and white as you make it out to be.

 

[Strenuus]

Getting to the salary floor is a total non-event. If anything, it might piss the players off, because if you end up below it, the players get a bonus.

2nd round picks are fun at draft time, but honestly, who cares?

Damn... no bonus for millionaires and guys making 250k sitting on the bench. Implosion incoming.